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dirtbag
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Feb 11, 2016 - 05:54am PT
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It's a damn shame: Carly had so much to offer the country.
In all seriousness, she might have been the oddest of a very odd bunch running for president.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 11, 2016 - 06:25am PT
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Bookmarked for later--thanks hddj.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 11, 2016 - 07:07am PT
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the real money betting markets still have Hillary at 83% for the nomination
they also have either Hillary and now Bernie as huuuuge favorites over The Donald
"they can't get to 270"
repeat over and over, nothing else matters
Which real money betting markets?
Bovada and Ladbrokes have Trump over Sanders.
If Hillary gets the nomination, she wins the election.
If we have a Sanders/Trump race, Sanders may be as contentious as Trump. Neither candidate will have strong support from their party. It'll come down to wooing the swing votes.
This pairing would present a good opportunity for the third candidate to enter the race. Let's say Biden reconsidered. Or Kerry decided to run. It's not out of the question that either candidate could win simply because they're not as distasteful as Trump or Sanders.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 11, 2016 - 10:07am PT
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All in good fun mates. Except many of your posts, of course.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 11, 2016 - 11:05am PT
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If you'd like to increase the debt by 8.2 trillion, then Rubio is the candidate for you.
If you'd like to increase the debt by 8.2 trillion, then Rubio is the candidate for you.
If you'd like to increase the debt by 8.2 trillion, then Rubio is the candidate for you.
If you'd like to increase the debt by 8.2 trillion, then Rubio is the candidate for you.
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/11/10967152/marco-rubio-tax-policy-center
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 11, 2016 - 06:03pm PT
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Me and DMT have one thing in common
the same word for Carly Fiorina
I'm not sure if he applies it to other women with the same attributes
like I do
I only wish....
I can guarantee you one thing, we haven't heard the last from Carly
She will be back !
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 11, 2016 - 06:13pm PT
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EdwadT asks:
Which real money betting markets?
you are not aware of betting markets, of these have around for decades
anyone in the world can, in theory, open and fund an account and bet their own
money on all kinds of things from sporting outcomes to US and foreign political races
Edward. I can tell that you are a well informed individual who knows how to do a quick search using the words "betting markets" on an internet search engine
but since you specifically asked, here is just well known betting market and you can
do a search for others, you can copy and paste this into your browser
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event?id=26920188
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 11, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
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It's not Robo boy.
He's called crankturd, he's a total douchbag slime ball coward ...... +1 Wbraun
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Feb 11, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
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Sorry, pyromaniac, the role of Forum Bully has been cast. There is an opening for Forum Jester, however, for which you seen highly qualified.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Feb 11, 2016 - 09:32pm PT
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aw, crankster - you took the words right out of my mouth.
Rats.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 12, 2016 - 05:22am PT
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you are not aware of betting markets, of these have around for decades
anyone in the world can, in theory, open and fund an account and bet their own
money on all kinds of things from sporting outcomes to US and foreign political races
Edward. I can tell that you are a well informed individual who knows how to do a quick search using the words "betting markets" on an internet search engine
but since you specifically asked, here is just well known betting market and you can
do a search for others, you can copy and paste this into your browser
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event?id=26920188
Wow. Classic Norton.
I asked for specific betting markets in response to your claim they show Bernie as a huuuuge favorite over The Donald.
I noted two odds markets, placing Trump ahead of Sanders. Most people would infer I knew about "betting markets".
Not Norton. You take it upon yourself to explain betting markets, with your typical smug condescension.
Thanks for posting betfair.com
Did you notice they show Trump ahead of Sanders?
Whoosh!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Feb 12, 2016 - 05:52am PT
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crankster, Trad climber, No. Tahoe, Feb 11, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
Sorry, pyromaniac, the role of Forum Bully has been cast. There is an opening for Forum Jester, however, for which you seen highly qualified.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:21am PT
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The debate had a good back and forth; nothing new tho.....
Have you all listened to Robert Reich at all? Just curious.... I'll post this up for your listening pleasure. I am aligned with this train of thought. I've always thought trickle down was bullsh#t. Looking for some common ground here
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 06:31am PT
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Reich has been a powerful voice on inequality for 25 years. Smart dude.
I caught about 45-60 minutes of the debate last night. I was pretty tired but I came away with a very different view of the debate than many in the media did. They are portraying Clinton as having been "cool and calm" which is certainly true but I also thought she sounded wooden, vague and unsure. She sounded very much like a politician. Sanders is consistently incredibly vague and manages to stylistically hide his political maneuvers in empowering language. He then uses that credibility to make obfuscations and half-true attacks every bit as inauthentic as any other candidate but they come off as more valid.
I would very much like to have seen Clinton from the first debate make a reappearance when she was projecting I thought more confidence and lot more warmth. She also answered more decisively and clearly then which is what people need to see.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:32am PT
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So I guess the end game is that we are too far gone to expect even the slightest course correction in the size and scope of the Federal Gov't.
We've chained the rudder to the stanchion and now watch Bernie/Hillary and ol' floppy hair fight it out over which version of big government suits us better.
While we sail off into dave jones locker and people from other countries shake their head puzzling over how we traded away our freedom in exchange for a more powerful government.
Sounds wonderful. I hope I get to keep enough of my retirement fund to fish in the whitewater before the flush. .
EDIT: Ahoy Matey
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 06:34am PT
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Escopeta posted While we sail off into dave jones locker and people from other countries shake their head puzzling over how we traded away our freedom in exchange for a more powerful government.
Which countries are those, Escopeta? Sounds like a lot of projection to me.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Feb 12, 2016 - 07:33am PT
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I think Escopeta was referring to the countries that were impacted by Wall Streets too big to fail recession of 2007..?
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 12, 2016 - 08:17am PT
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I'm not a great debate evaluator but I thought both candidates did reasonably well.
Bernie's claim that he will dramatically reduce mass incarceration by the end of his first term is complete and utter horsesh#t. He simply cannot do it; no president could, it goes far beyond simply ending income equality, and far beyond his authority.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 08:19am PT
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I think he meant all those countries with tiny governments and lots of freedom. Like Somalia. Or Iraq. I hear Libyans are just shocked...SHOCKED...watching the state of our democracy right now.
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