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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Fritz probably gots a big bonfire going up in Choss Creek over the Kasich news snarkiness be damned...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Interesting about Sanders and Trump.
HOWEVER, they are on two different trajectories.
As do some others, I think 538 has some of the more interesting information:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/south-carolina-republican/
As you look at the various upcoming primaries, Trump actually predicts out very well.
However, Sanders gets Berned.
Of course, things change, and we actually have to have the voting.
But it is starting down a path that looks very possible for Hillary/Donald.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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T Hocking - what made me believe you weren't planning to vote was the misleading nature of your post.
Nevertheless, I'll apologize.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Feb 10, 2016 - 12:21am PT
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“If what we are combating is, as I posit, essentially two (or more) gangs competing for turf, then it is self-evident that we gain nothing from supporting one gang over another other than the vague hope that the other gang will treat us more kindly.
“The real solution to centralized, hierarchical international institutions created by and for the interests of the oligarchical elite are decentralized, non-hierarchical relations created by and for the grassroots.”
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2016 - 05:28am PT
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Christie is almost certainly out of the race. Kasich's campaign is given a second (first?) wind. I wasn't expecting Sanders to beat Clinton by that much but it sounds like I'm in the minority.
It should be noted that the delegate counts are virtually even on the Democratic side with Clinton at 32 and Sanders at 34. Additionally, Clinton has 394 superdelegates pledged to her contrasted with Sanders' 42. Superdelegates are party insiders who are free to support whomever they want and exist to help ensure the party has their thumb on the scale. Primaries are elections facilitated by the state but on behalf of private groups, the political parties, who are free to determine their candidate selection process as they see fit.
Republican delegate count:
Trump - 17
Cruz - 10
Rubio - 7
Kasich - 4
Bush - 3
Carson - 3
Fiorina - 1
Huckabee - 1
Paul - 1
Ezra Klein wrote a piece trying to reignite and reclarify why Trump's rise is a Bad Thing.
Trump's path to power has been unnerving. His business is licensing out his own name as a symbol of opulence. He has endured bankruptcies and scandal by bragging his way out of them. He rose to prominence in the Republican Party as a leader of the birther movement. He climbed to the top of the polls in this election by calling Mexicans rapists and killers. He defended a poor debate performance by accusing Megyn Kelly of being on her period. He responded to rival Ted Cruz's surge by calling for a travel ban on Muslims. When two of his supporters attacked a homeless man and said they did it because "Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported," he brushed off complaints that he's inspiring violence by saying his supporters are "very passionate."
Obama sent his budget to Congress yesterday. It had a picture of Denali on the cover. Trollbama strikes again!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2016 - 06:46am PT
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In our defense, Trump's votes totaled 35% of Republican votes and 18% of total votes. It's not like 60% of NH voters went for Trump.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 10, 2016 - 07:10am PT
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When two of his supporters attacked a homeless man and said they did it because "Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported," he brushed off complaints that he's inspiring violence by saying his supporters are "very passionate."
Nice cherry picking.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2016 - 07:12am PT
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That was his initial response, Ed. Did you want to quote a more full throated condemnation from Trump? It was certainly lacking at the time.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 10, 2016 - 12:37pm PT
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God, I'm going to miss her.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 10, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
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Let's just dispel with notion that any of you know WTF you are talking about.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Feb 10, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
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^^
This was meant for the NASA Billion Earth's thread, I'm sure.
I hear there's an election on Kepler 452b next year, however.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 10, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
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^^^^^ there it is. Robo boy with attempted 2.5 second canned insult.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 10, 2016 - 03:25pm PT
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the real money betting markets still have Hillary at 83% for the nomination
they also have either Hillary and now Bernie as huuuuge favorites over The Donald
"they can't get to 270"
repeat over and over, nothing else matters
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 10, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
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It's not Robo boy.
He's called crankturd, he's a total douchbag slime ball coward ......
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Feb 10, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
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Insult, Rick? Wow, you're thinned-skinned.
Rick enlightens us with:
Feb 10, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
Let's just dispel with notion that any of you know WTF you are talking about.
Pretty good discussion here today before you and Forum Bully trolled in. You and that clown spend hours discussing theories on the origin of the universe, god, the mind, whatever..but one little political thread drives you nuts. Advice: Stay away.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 10, 2016 - 08:47pm PT
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My opologies to the CF supporter.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2016 - 05:45am PT
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rick, I appreciate most of your posts and your input. Your upset at the perception of crank's insult seems a little hasty given he was responding to an insulting post that you made.
Updates:
As the presidential race moves on to more diverse states than Iowa and New Hampshire, black Americans are having a very public discussion about their choices. I think it's exciting both that black American voters are now thought of as an important demographic and that their voices are more visible than ever. Some feel they are being condescended to by Sanders supporters. Others, like Ta-Nehisi Coates, have decided to support Sanders despite very recently having criticized him for not supporting reparations. Despite Clinton's generally high support among black voters, some are questioning the Clinton legacy and confidence in carrying the black vote may be waning.
If you haven't read Ta-Nihisi Coates' case for reparations for the descendants of slavery, it is well worth a read. Even if you disagree with the idea of reparations, his overview of the way that America has discriminated against black citizens in the 20th century alone is extremely compelling and should be required reading for anyone wanting to weigh in on racial issues. Even if you disagree after reading it, it will give you a strong foundation to understand where other people are coming from when talking about BLM and institutional racism. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/
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