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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 09:13am PT
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Whatever she does she needs to start sounding more inclusive and decisive about it.
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dirtbag
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:16am PT
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And forcing her to find that message, while there are still many months left before the generals, is a reason why having a vigorous primary is a good thing.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 09:37am PT
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That's an excellent point.
The purpose of a representative democracy is to have a government that finds ways to compromise in the goal of meeting the needs of the nation. The Republican party is being dominated by those who no longer believe in compromise and thus no longer believe in government. If the Democrats go the same route we are in real trouble.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 09:39am PT
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crankster posted Rubio had the worst debate performance in history
Mike Pesca pointed out how ironic it was that Rubio got called out for repeating himself instead of for essentially giving Obama credit for having improved the country over the last 8 years.
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Norton
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:52am PT
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I don't know, kind of felt Rick Perry had the worst debate performance
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 12, 2016 - 10:23am PT
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 06:31am PT
I would very much like to have seen Clinton from the first debate make a reappearance when she was projecting I thought more confidence and lot more warmth. She also answered more decisively and clearly then which is what people need to see.
One could argue, and many do, that that earlier approach has been losing her votes, via the first two votes, and she needs to change up her game----not her basic message----but her style.
And so she is......
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 12, 2016 - 10:25am PT
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Bernie's claim that he will dramatically reduce mass incarceration by the end of his first term is complete and utter horsesh#t. He simply cannot do it; no president could, it goes far beyond simply ending income equality, and far beyond his authority.
Actually, he can, it is within the President's power. The President has the unlimited power of pardon (at the Federal level). He can pardon anybody he wants, to any degree that he wants, and there is no recourse to that.
But you think he is going to tell us that?
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 10:27am PT
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Mass pardons are almost assuredly not his plan. The vast majority of inmates, as Clinton pointed out, are at the state level.
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dirtbag
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Feb 12, 2016 - 10:28am PT
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Federal prisons hold a small portion of inmates.
So yes, evens if he set everyone in federal prisons free, it's complete horsesh#t.
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Feb 12, 2016 - 11:03am PT
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Interestingly, though, the federal prisons hold a great number of nonviolent offenders (having spent 6 months there myself), and there seems to be bipartisan support for reforming federal sentencing for drug offenses, and federal criminal law generally. I suspect the consensus may diminish as each side wants to nail its bogeymen - usually without having to prove mens rea.
John
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 11:06am PT
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As TNC points out, we will not reduce our incarceration rates by focusing on non-violent offenders. We need a new crime punishment/rehabilitation regime.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 12, 2016 - 11:09am PT
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"...(having spent 6 months there myself),..."
OK, I'll bite...details?
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Feb 12, 2016 - 11:13am PT
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Agreed, HDDJ, but reducing sentences for drug offenses is an easy place to start, and once started, the project will gain a momentum of its own. Ever since the war on crime in the midst of the Great Society, each party has sponsored legislation to make crime more illegal -- i.e. increasing lengths of prison sentences, but doing nothing else to change crime rates.
Based on what I saw (admittedly, the least violent prison population), we waste a lot of taxpayer money detaining people who would be better punished (both from a societal and a rehabilitative standpoint) by supervised release, where the offender works, pays a penalty, and supports him- or herself. We should reserve prison sentences (or at least long ones) for people whose presence in society, even if supervised, poses an excessive danger.
John
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2016 - 11:18am PT
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John posted Based on what I saw (admittedly, the least violent prison population), we waste a lot of taxpayer money detaining people who would be better punished (both from a societal and a rehabilitative standpoint) by supervised release, where the offender works, pays a penalty, and supports him- or herself. We should reserve prison sentences (or at least long ones) for people whose presence in society, even if supervised, poses an excessive danger.
We have a couple generations of politicians who cut their teeth arguing that that includes literally everybody. Reducing sentences for violent offenders will be incredibly hard considering what a great job we have done, driven largely by Republican rhetoric, at making prison the cure-all for crime.
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Feb 12, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
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Sad to say, HDDJ, the generations of politicians that say every convicted criminal is a danger to society represent both parties. Trying to reduce sentences in California law leads one into the teeth of opposition by the correctional officers' unions (to keep the Democrats in line), and the law enforcement lobby (to keep the Republicans in line).
The proliferation of laws specifying crimes without a mens rea tend to fall more toward the Democrats, but the push for longer sentences and less judicial discretion (e.g. "three strikes" laws) has been mostly Republican.
Everyone seems to forget that by expanding our prison population with offenders who pose no more danger under supervised release than they do in detention, we take away resources that could be better spent on activities that actually reduce crime in the first place, but the Democrats seem to be getting the message. Even a few very conservative Republicans (e.g. The Heritage Foundation) have finally figured it out, so there's at least some hope.
John
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Feb 12, 2016 - 01:21pm PT
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DMT, doomed? Well, if voters vote on appearance, which apparently you do, I'll put Hillary's pantsuits up against Trump's orange face or Cruz's devil-face any day.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Feb 12, 2016 - 01:33pm PT
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No. I don't. I think she looks like a 68 year-old woman.
When the general election comes my hope is reasonable voters will focus on her words (or Bernie's if he wins). Then I don't think we are doomed.
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dirtbag
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Feb 12, 2016 - 01:50pm PT
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50% of Rubio's appeal is looks.
It didn't hurt Obama either, nor did it hurt having a beautiful wife.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Feb 12, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
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Forum Bully, go back to the Mind thread where everyone ignores your moronic gibberish and sophomoric haiku's. Useless tool.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Feb 12, 2016 - 02:11pm PT
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It's Crankomania hour on the supertopo...Are Hillary's crankpants bullet-flame proof..? Did crankster give Hillary the crankshaft..? Tune in later...
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