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Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Jul 3, 2015 - 04:22pm PT
Wilmot, here some of the other article titles from your source:

"The Delirious Happiness of Free Market Choice"

Posted by David John Marotta & Megan Russell on 01-04-2015
Embracing variability contributes to the libertarian ideology that freedom is the ability to choose as you see fit and specialization is highly desirable.



"Obama Acts Like a Mob Boss, But There Is a Solution"

Posted by David John Marotta & Megan Russell on 12-21-2014
A mob boss exercises absolute control over his many followers and profits from the often criminal activities of his organization.

"Our Government Versus The People"

Posted by David John Marotta & Megan Russell on 07-06-2014
Government has never been known for customer service. But today it is known primarily for being against the very people it is supposed to serve.

... not quite a real source of information.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 3, 2015 - 04:29pm PT
Ending slavery may have been the stated reason for the war, I don't know, but I think the economic factors pointed out above probably played a far larger part than most of you would care to admit.

Ending slavery has a nice ring, but when it came to actually accepting those freed slaves as human, the brakes went on immediately. Here's what your big hero had to say about it:

"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone."

Yeah, that's Abraham Lincoln, letting it be known that racism was just as alive and well in the North as in the South. Don't worry folks, I might be in favor of freeing blacks from slavery, and even tossing them whatever crumbs us whites don't want, but that's it. They might be legally free, but they'll still be our economic slaves.

crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 3, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
Reinforcing what is obvious about the racial views of gun store owners and their employees....

As some Southern officials have called for removing Confederate battle flags in the wake of last month’s mass shooting at a black church in South Carolina, Wild Bill’s Old West Trading Co. in Elk Grove has done the opposite.

The gun shop on June 25 raised the Confederate flag on a small flagpole above its store entrance in what was described as a collective decision by store employees. Though Wild Bill’s has since moved its controversial display inside and flown the American flag out front, more than 20 protesters and supporters gathered Friday in front of the store on East Stockton Boulevard.

Protesters objected to the timing of the flag display and said it was not relevant to California. They accused the store of trying to incite people by flying the Confederate flag soon after the South Carolina incident.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 6, 2015 - 06:00am PT
The SC legislature is considering bills to take down the Confederate flag. Removing the flag requires legislative approval from two-thirds of the members of both the House and Senate.

Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 9, 2015 - 09:01am PT
I am in Columbia, SC this week. Walked by the capital last night. It is about F'ing time they decided to take down the damn flag and move into the 21st century.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jenny-horne-how-a-descendant-of-the-president-of-the-confederacy-helped-vanquish-his-flag/ar-AAcKZvx

Edit

Sorry Guy, did not see you already posted the link. Can't be seen too many times though.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Jul 9, 2015 - 09:38am PT
"Clearly, a state with rich southern tradition and history. Idaho is."


LOL!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 9, 2015 - 09:45am PT
Props to the SC Legislature for promptly doing the right thing.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 9, 2015 - 10:13am PT
[quote]via Norton;

Q. What caused the Civil War?

While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War, Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries."
[/quote

As a once avid Civil War buff, this is very close to what I remember as is the cause of the war. And via my leaky memory I would add that Lincoln fought to preserve the Union, not to end existing slavery in the South. From what I remember reading, Lincoln was tormented by the thought of the end of the Union happening on his watch.

Another thought. If you don't understand, even just a little, why some are offended by that battle flag you have not put yourself in the other persons shoes and looked out through his or her eyes.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Jul 9, 2015 - 10:36am PT
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm

"Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir."

...........

"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union"


"Yours,
A. Lincoln."


skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 9, 2015 - 02:24pm PT
Another thought. If you don't understand, even just a little, why some are offended by that battle flag you
... are utterly stupid or purposely obtuse.

Yup, I can live with that variation of my statement. With someone being purposely obtuse, there is at least some hope.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 18, 2015 - 11:32am PT
What a righteous cause, lol...

More than 20 students at a southwestern Virginia high school were suspended Thursday after wearing clothing bearing the Confederate flag in protest of school policy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/confederate-flag-furor/christiansburg-virginia-students-suspended-after-wearing-confederate-flags-disrupting-school-n429456

It happened in Virginia. I wonder if they are bookworm's students?
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