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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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I wish like hell I could say the same thing...
So you say.
Funny how you keep ducking my questions.
Gotta run. Time to go ride roller coasters with my daughter. Last time we went, about half the people there were African American. Can you imagine? Oh, the horror!!!
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oh Birchy. You're such a tough guy.
What is it I've posted that you imagine I wouldn't say in person?
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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My favorite line that so many use to PROVE that they are not bigots...
"Even some white people are Ni--ers"...
Or another one,
I have a couple black friends.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Well, are you the internet tough guy.
Thanks for the laugh.
LOL. No, thank you. Your ignorance apparently spans several fronts. Just so you can use that term appropriately next time, here you go:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Internet_tough_guy
I’m not sure how confronting and shutting down a group of people in person translates to internet tough guy…but you also think this flag doesn’t symbolize racism, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised? Low IQ for the win! ;)
We're back to the Internet tough guy debate--pretty sure we do in fact have one in our midst.
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c wilmot
climber
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a pissing contest over who is less racist
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c wilmot
climber
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Perhaps this is a white guilt contest?
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Hate is like a cake, made of poop. Sometimes you might cover it with a piss frosting of racism, or perhaps you decorate your sh#t hate cake with anti-racism sprinkles. It is like a snake eating its own tail. All the hate and threats spewed on the internet contains the same spirit no matter what side of the line you are on.
Many anti-confederate flagers are hate-filled d#@&%ebags.
Enjoy eating your sh#t cake, as#@&%es.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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The Confederacy seceded for indefensible reasons. The West Point grads who ended up running their armies were clearly guilty of treason against the Union and could have easily been executed.
The Federal Government was magnanimous in victory and treated the lot with MUCH more respect than they were due.
You would think that the south would have long ago tried mightily to bury forever any vestiges of such a sorry chapter in their history.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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I think we passed the "devolved into personal threats" a few pages ago.
Interesting thread drift on this one.
It's a little surprising that the Confederate Flag was not outright outlawed over 100 years ago with cops and even troops attacking displays. Censors in Hollywood stamping it out in uses like "Dukes of Hazzard."
Goes to show how a big part of the end of the Civil War was to back away slowly and gently pat things into place.
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c wilmot
climber
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people seem to forget that the north was largely dependent on the south's cotton. An independent south was a threat to their mills in the north. Their is a reason black peoples lives did not improve for so long after the war. The north's war had less to do with ending slavery, and more to do with ensuring their economic dependence on the south did not come to an end.
Also it is beyond bizarre to see people display such hate and intolerance in the name of tolerance. It seems to me that the people who are the most vocal are simply doing so to feel above other people. It is a common attitude found in any hate group. And if the tables were turned- these very same people would be just as loud on the other side
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Norton
Social climber
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The north's war had less to do with ending slavery, and more to do with ensuring their economic dependence on the south did not come to an end.
got a credible source for that informative statement?
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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If you can't see the difference between allowing this flag to be displayed by citizens and allowing it to fly in a government building, then I don't know what to say. I dislike the flag and everything that I perceive it to stand for. Yet, I would never take away the right for people to display it. Same for a swastika, or a cross, or whatever symbol you choose. But by the same token, these things have no place flying on the flag poles of a government building. It is the symbol of the loosing side of a civil war. The British flag has no place flying over gov. buildings, the Mexican flag has no place flying over gov. buildings, and this flag has no place flying over gov. buildings.
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dirtbag
climber
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people seem to forget that the north was largely dependent on the south's cotton. An independent south was a threat to their mills in the north. Their is a reason black peoples lives did not improve for so long after the war. The north's war had less to do with ending slavery, and more to do with ensuring their economic dependence on the south did not come to an end.
Too much horseshit here to debunk.
It's sad how post-confederacy propaganda persists.
Yet, Dylan roof figured out exactly what that flag is all about.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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I have never seen a confederate flag here (Mt. Soledad, San Diego), though there is a long running controversy and court battle(s) over whether the cross should stand on public property.
I cannot even remember which appeal it's on. The cross is however, still standing. Many symbols on display, but nobody has objected to anything other than the cross that I am aware of.
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c wilmot
climber
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Dirtbag- you forgot to debunk me.
There were many factors for the civil war- slavery was not a very big one.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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There were many factors for the civil war- slavery was not a very big one
....And the earth is flat.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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There were many factors for the civil war- slavery was not a very big one.
Yea, it was all about the economics of slavery...
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Norton
Social climber
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Q. What caused the Civil War?
While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War, Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries."
https://www.google.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/faq/?referrer=https://www.google.com/
oh my, it does appear that the southern States unwillingness to accept the power of the Federal Government to prohibit slavery was the main reason for the Civil War
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Norton
Social climber
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sir, your source is written by two people on a financial web site
versus the source I provided
The Civil War Trust is the largest and most effective nonprofit organization devoted to the preservation of America’s hallowed battlegrounds.
I am not going to continue on with you on this one other than to say that there is widespread agreement amongst historians that the Civil War was started and fought
due to the large block of southern states refusal to accept the Federal Government's
prohibition of slavery
if having the last word is important to you, then you have it
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