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gumbyclimber

climber
Jun 5, 2015 - 06:19pm PT
I'm sure they would all have slightly different accounts based on their experiences, but to lie about events to make the story more cool or marketable is a stupid accusation.

That is the most sensible comment here.


John Bouchard is an honest guy, I trust him.
He's just unable to prove exactly what happened.

Lots of honest people believe things that simply aren't true; crazy things, even. How can his honesty have any relevance to him dreaming up a story about something he had absolutely nothing to do with?
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Jun 5, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
Lots of honest people believe things that simply aren't true; crazy things, even. How can his honesty have any relevance to him dreaming up a story about something he had absolutely nothing to do with?
I believe John Bouchard when he thought the original story seemed unlikely and suspicious.
As to exactly what happened, nobody on the outside knows, including Bouchard.

Tommy's story might be completely accurate.
John and Nancy thought it was suspicious and took some effort to investigate.
It doesn't mean they are crazy or biased for considering what might end up to be unlikely explanations.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Jun 5, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
Yeah but who writes the screen play? I nominate Weege

Brilliant suggestion!


;>)
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Jun 5, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
The only redeeming factor about a movie is that Arnold and Sylvester are too old to play the lead roles
chill

climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
Jun 5, 2015 - 10:30pm PT
The only redeeming factor about a movie is that Arnold and Sylvester are too old to play the lead roles

I think you are overestimating Hollywood. Hell, they would use Clint Eastwood if they thought it would sell.
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Jun 6, 2015 - 08:12am PT
Maybe Clint could be local militia commander
gumbyclimber

climber
Jun 6, 2015 - 09:52am PT
I believe John Bouchard when he thought the original story seemed unlikely and suspicious.
As to exactly what happened, nobody on the outside knows, including Bouchard.

Well, Clint, you've said in the past that you believe the story John dreamed up:

John Bouchard's version of events is the correct one, as I recall.
I.e. the soldier agreed to let the climbers go, as long as the climbers
agreed to tell the story that they pushed the guy off the cliff,
so that the soldier wouldn't get into trouble with his superiors.
Since the soldier ended up in prison, apparently his superiors figured it out.

So you, Person E, are willing to believe Person D about what happened between Persons A & B because Person C told Person D six months afterward. That Persons A and B are both here to tell you, and are in complete agreement, is apparently irrelevant.

John and Nancy, in a concerted effort to make a buck for themselves, dreamed up their load-in-the-pants version of the story after the team decided to go with Greg to write the book instead. They did, said, and wrote some crazy, underhanded, and hurtful things that don't really make me feel the need to go easy on them. People and comments like that used to really upset me but it has ultimately taught me a lot about epistemology and carefully remaining aware of the point where knowledge ends and assumptions begin. It is fascinating, if you've ever been in the middle of something like that, to hear all the nutty things that people will convince themselves they know. "The soldier agreed to let the climbers go, as long as the climbers agreed to tell the story that they pushed the guy off the cliff, so that the soldier wouldn't get into trouble with his superiors," imagining how that might have all played out is amusing.

John = Samuel L. Jackson
Singer = Bill Murray
Su and Abdul are sort of keystone kidnappers, maybe Cheech and Chong

The Alpine

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2015 - 04:30pm PT
Heres a great Ted Talk featuring Tommy's story. Jump to 3:35:35

http://livestream.com/tedx/TEDxKC2015
couchmaster

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 09:40am PT
Why does one side have to be crazy and the other liars? I say that both sides of the issue can be honorable and honest folks, and both may be correct. So what? I just hope Hollywood doesn't butcher the movie up too bad like they usually do. Heh, love the John Longism (descriptive adjectives?) here: "a haul bag full of half-truths and exaggerations". Great writing by SI writer George Dohrmann.

Quote from the Sports Illustrated link:
"John, 51, who was one of America's greatest Alpinists before he retired from the sport in 1998, admits there is little he and his wife haven't done in service of a curiosity turned hobby turned obsession that is in its third year, has drained their bank account of more than $30,000 and has so consumed their days that Nancy often wishes they could "have a life again." But they can't. Not when they are writing a book that they say will expose one of the most talked-about episodes in modern climbing--the August 2000 kidnapping of four American climbers in Kyrgyzstan and their harrowing escape--as a haul bag full of half-truths and exaggerations. "There is no question they went through a horrible experience," John says. "But there are just too many discrepancies. Just ... too much." "
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 31, 2015 - 11:30am PT
Yeah, Clint Eastwood could use his empty chair to interrogate people and find out what really happened.
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