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The Alpine
climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 3, 2015 - 10:27am PT
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So why has the story of Tommy, Beth and Jason not been turned into an epic summertime block buster movie?
Its got everything American movie-goers crave: small town hero, international travel, love, bloodshed, terrorists! And a triumphant ending to boot...
John Long and other Hollywood insiders - you know more about this?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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"THEY".... do not wish to upset Muslims.
Thats my opinion only.... please don't boot me from the TACO
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Chuck Norris can play Tommy and kill lots of ISIS as#@&%es as they escape!
Beth will fall down and twist her ankle and she'll get the shoulder carry of love from Chuck..errrr, Tommy while he karate chops his way to freedom!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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It would make a great film. The true story fits all the formula.
It can be done in away that doesn't generalize Islamaphobia. The poor sods are just trying to make their way in the world.
To get the green light you need:
A synopsis
A treatment
A bunch of money
Someone to drive it on through.
and away you go.
It will happen.
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The Alpine
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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It would be rad to see Lowell and Mortimer team up with some big Hollywood to make this.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I'm betting there will never be a Hollywood Film based on it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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No sex = boring.
Shove a moron off a ledge = boring and not PC.
Not gonna happen.
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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Singer gave a presentation to our local climbing club last month. Much detail in his account and I believed every word of it. Don't see why any of these four would lie or embellish any aspect of their story.
I'm sure they would all have slightly different accounts based on their experiences, but to lie about events to make the story more cool or marketable is a stupid accusation.
Someone asked Singer about a possible movie - I won't say what he said about it though. ;)
Interesting article BJ. I didn't know the details about the Bouchards.
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Gunkie
climber
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This will become my new 'train commute' reading material. Thanks.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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That team always seemed to be a mismatch to me.
Lot of opinions as to what others "think" happened.
Tommy and Singer kicking guys off mountain cliffs to save the vulnerable Beth...
Man, what a story.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mucci, yer uncle's story would make a FAR BETTER film, and it wouldn't
need an ounce of embellishment, or sex.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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So why has the story of Tommy, Beth and Jason not been turned into an epic summertime block buster movie?
There was a fourth member of that party--don't forget Dickey...
Tommy and Singer kicking guys off mountain cliffs to save the vulnerable Beth...
I'm pretty sure it was just Tommy who rolled their guard.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Reilly- They did make that movie, My dad and I watched it together and he was pretty moved.
Henry and my grandfather looked identical.
Thanks for the shout out!
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Sounds like the boucheys gave up.
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Jones in LA
Mountain climber
Tarzana, California
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I think this article provides a clue as to why the Bouchard book never materialized.
http://www.outsideonline.com/1821591/back-edge
Their most sensational claims appear to have been dis-proven, after having spent over $30k in their quest to disparage Caldwell et.al.
Ironically, the dude that Tommy pushed off the cliff survived, was subsequently captured, tried in a Kyrgz court, and sentenced to death.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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It is in the works. It will be like how the weed plane crash became cliffhanger. Tommy is a down and out accountant after failing on the dawn wall. He gets on the wrong plane and ends up in eastbuttfukistan. His ex wife has been captured by islameo terrorists. He get the needed gear; pipe bombs, grappling hooks, and of course the bolt gun. In the climax he uses the bolt gun to anchor thru the foot of their captor and quickly rap off as the top of the mountain blows up with the bad guy trying to wrestle his foot free.
And he looks back and says "keep your feet on the ground when your head is in the clouds."
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The Alpine
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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Fet nails it.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Soundtrack by Pink Floyd.
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gumbyclimber
climber
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I'm sure they would all have slightly different accounts based on their experiences, but to lie about events to make the story more cool or marketable is a stupid accusation.
That is the most sensible comment here.
John Bouchard is an honest guy, I trust him.
He's just unable to prove exactly what happened.
Lots of honest people believe things that simply aren't true; crazy things, even. How can his honesty have any relevance to him dreaming up a story about something he had absolutely nothing to do with?
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Lots of honest people believe things that simply aren't true; crazy things, even. How can his honesty have any relevance to him dreaming up a story about something he had absolutely nothing to do with? I believe John Bouchard when he thought the original story seemed unlikely and suspicious.
As to exactly what happened, nobody on the outside knows, including Bouchard.
Tommy's story might be completely accurate.
John and Nancy thought it was suspicious and took some effort to investigate.
It doesn't mean they are crazy or biased for considering what might end up to be unlikely explanations.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Yeah but who writes the screen play? I nominate Weege
Brilliant suggestion!
;>)
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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The only redeeming factor about a movie is that Arnold and Sylvester are too old to play the lead roles
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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The only redeeming factor about a movie is that Arnold and Sylvester are too old to play the lead roles
I think you are overestimating Hollywood. Hell, they would use Clint Eastwood if they thought it would sell.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Maybe Clint could be local militia commander
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gumbyclimber
climber
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I believe John Bouchard when he thought the original story seemed unlikely and suspicious.
As to exactly what happened, nobody on the outside knows, including Bouchard.
Well, Clint, you've said in the past that you believe the story John dreamed up:
John Bouchard's version of events is the correct one, as I recall.
I.e. the soldier agreed to let the climbers go, as long as the climbers
agreed to tell the story that they pushed the guy off the cliff,
so that the soldier wouldn't get into trouble with his superiors.
Since the soldier ended up in prison, apparently his superiors figured it out.
So you, Person E, are willing to believe Person D about what happened between Persons A & B because Person C told Person D six months afterward. That Persons A and B are both here to tell you, and are in complete agreement, is apparently irrelevant.
John and Nancy, in a concerted effort to make a buck for themselves, dreamed up their load-in-the-pants version of the story after the team decided to go with Greg to write the book instead. They did, said, and wrote some crazy, underhanded, and hurtful things that don't really make me feel the need to go easy on them. People and comments like that used to really upset me but it has ultimately taught me a lot about epistemology and carefully remaining aware of the point where knowledge ends and assumptions begin. It is fascinating, if you've ever been in the middle of something like that, to hear all the nutty things that people will convince themselves they know. "The soldier agreed to let the climbers go, as long as the climbers agreed to tell the story that they pushed the guy off the cliff, so that the soldier wouldn't get into trouble with his superiors," imagining how that might have all played out is amusing.
John = Samuel L. Jackson
Singer = Bill Murray
Su and Abdul are sort of keystone kidnappers, maybe Cheech and Chong
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:40am PT
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Why does one side have to be crazy and the other liars? I say that both sides of the issue can be honorable and honest folks, and both may be correct. So what? I just hope Hollywood doesn't butcher the movie up too bad like they usually do. Heh, love the John Longism (descriptive adjectives?) here: "a haul bag full of half-truths and exaggerations". Great writing by SI writer George Dohrmann.
Quote from the Sports Illustrated link: "John, 51, who was one of America's greatest Alpinists before he retired from the sport in 1998, admits there is little he and his wife haven't done in service of a curiosity turned hobby turned obsession that is in its third year, has drained their bank account of more than $30,000 and has so consumed their days that Nancy often wishes they could "have a life again." But they can't. Not when they are writing a book that they say will expose one of the most talked-about episodes in modern climbing--the August 2000 kidnapping of four American climbers in Kyrgyzstan and their harrowing escape--as a haul bag full of half-truths and exaggerations. "There is no question they went through a horrible experience," John says. "But there are just too many discrepancies. Just ... too much." "
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Aug 31, 2015 - 11:30am PT
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Yeah, Clint Eastwood could use his empty chair to interrogate people and find out what really happened.
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