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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Hee hee. You got all Treebeard on them. "There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men for this treachery. " And you had an Elfen rope-gun. Ho ho.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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You might be right but that doesnt mean you have to be a dick about it. Sounds like your attitude kinda spoiled the mood for more than just yourself. You got into a pissing match over a 5.6?? Sounds like you were ready for a conflict before you got to the crag.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2015 - 11:34am PT
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Batrock- mea culpa dude. For sure. I can be a bit blunt sometimes, and definitely could have handled the situation better.
Lol Flip. Maybe if i stuck to old english I could avoid getting foot in mouth disease...
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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We all have our days, just ask my wife ;)
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sure society has rules like white people have priority. You can make those topropers stand up and give you their seat according to local rules if you choose to, while being nice about it or not. They're just other climbers doing what we all love to do. :-)
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
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I didn't ask them to pull their rope or give up their seat however. I simply stated that i thought since we were leading and they were nowhere near set up, that leaders get priority.
I'm not going to turn this into a political debate. This is about climbing ethics. Stupid to be sure, but it makes settling these disputes a little easier and gives people who are going ground up a chance to do routes that otherwise might be monopolized by larger parties top roping all day.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I can be a bit blunt sometimes
You call what you did blunt? That was LITE! BwaHaHaHaHa!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2015 - 12:08pm PT
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Lol. Blunt for a supposedly polite Canadian i guess Reilly. I've certainly been treated to worse at the crags.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
-A Savage. Mythbuster
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Right, I forgot you were Canadian. Sorry. ;-)
Blunt was the reception I got from Canadian Immigration in Toronto two weeks ago.
Maybe they had pre-screened me on SuperTopo?
They were the biggest A-holes I've ever met at any immigration counter, EVER!
And I've been to a 'few'. I was gonna do a TR on it, but I don't want to
be branded as a 'hater'.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"...but if there is any ambiguity about who was there first, leaders get priority."
It's a shame that some kind of hierarchy is even needed here. If two parties arrive at the same time, I'd like to hope it could be worked out creatively, and in both party's interests.
One would hope that a TR'ing party would recognize that it's nice to not have someone above you while you are on the sharp end, and that a leading party would recognize that someone wanting to TR it has as much right to be there as they do.
Why can't we all just get along?
(Hopefully there's no dogs involved.)
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overwatch
climber
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I am so sick of top ropers gang-roping crags that however you said it works for me. But diplomacy doesn't hurt either.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2015 - 12:20pm PT
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One would hope that a TR'ing party would recognize that it's nice to not have someone above you while you are on the sharp end, and that a leading party would recognize that someone wanting to TR it has as much right to be there as they do.
Agreed. If they were tossing the rope I wouldn't have said a thing. Our rope was at the base however and we were racking up, but they somehow thought that standing back and looking at the cliff meant they were there first.
I'm the first to admit i could have been more diplomatic about it.
There were dogs too.. But they were not the issue.. Lol
Reilly- sounds like those border guards had your number!! ;) Were they nicer than the Russian dudes at least??
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Seriously, the first party to put the rope to the rock has dibs.
But Mike is still a dick.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2015 - 12:28pm PT
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John- you're just mad cause we keep missing each other! ;)
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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I'm working on my aim.
It's hard to hit a hoser from here in LA; trajectory sucks.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Exceptions to the rule: smokin hot babe(s) in group that
wants to cut in.
Ascertain first that the girl is belaying and her boyfriend will be busy
leading and unable to interfere as you chat her up on the ground.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sorry Mike - thought it was about the politics of climbing - the rights of topropers versus leaders. I'd like to revise my response and say that I totally agree with your ethical perspective that leader's rights should trump toproper's rights and you handled the situation perfectly :-) I'm sorry that the topropers didn't agree with me.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Were they nicer than the Russian dudes at least??
HELL NO! The Russians were smart enough to know I wasn't planning on
staying there. When the Canadian asked if I had a return ticket I said
"Viet Nam is over, why would I want to stay in Canada?"
Pretty sure he didn't like that but what was he gonna do, send me back?
"Dood, I'm only here to see the in-laws! I'm more than happy to go home."
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