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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Aug 17, 2015 - 09:19pm PT
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More Air
Trad climber
S.L.C.
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Aug 17, 2015 - 09:21pm PT
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Crankster wrote:
"I'll take her..."
Eww!
"...Better than all the rest."
Ewwwwwwww!!!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 17, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
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The fact that criminal behavior goes unpunished (by anybody) is not a PASS for the next corrupt politician (of any stripe) to go unpunished.
Looking back over your post history I see you were clearly too busy defending your climb from 2006 to 2008 to post up about bringing W's administration up on treason charges.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Aug 17, 2015 - 09:43pm PT
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Looking back over your post history I see you were clearly too busy defending your climb from 2006 to 2008 to post up about bringing W's administration up on treason charges.
Pretty low, Joe.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Aug 17, 2015 - 09:45pm PT
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Aug 17, 2015 - 09:45pm PT
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 17, 2015 - 09:49pm PT
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What does he have to do with Hillary?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 17, 2015 - 09:50pm PT
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What does he have to do with Hillary??
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:00pm PT
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Pretty low, Joe.
I don't think so; looks a lot like a pretty new affection and call for integrity in politics. I mean, overlooking treason and jumping on this issue?
And given the email deal is explicitly another much-ado-about-nothing relative to behaviors which really put America's interests and security at risk I find it a laughably mindless diversion no different then Benghazi. And, as an IT pro myself, and whether we're talking the private sector (Sony) or public (W, Hillary, Univ of Illinois), I personally consider these email issues as having far, far more to do with our society coming to terms with how the intimate intricacies of governance are going to be conducted in a increasingly wired world. Never before in our history have leaders been essentially unable to deliberate in private and that is not what I would consider a healthy turn of events for our democracy.
WTF, we likely wouldn't even be a country, or have a Declaration of Independence or Constitution, if our leaders couldn't have had at least a modicum of the privacy necessary to deliberate among themselves.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:01pm PT
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Hillary's proved she can be a crooked politician jus like the Big Boys!
It's up to us to straighten the path.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:10pm PT
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WTF, we likely wouldn't even be a country, or have a Declaration of Independence or Constitution, if our leaders couldn't have had at least a modicum of the privacy necessary to deliberate among themselves.
That sounds contorted. The Constitution is ALL about "We the People"
That doesn't come from people thinking in cliques.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:11pm PT
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That is a naive interpretation in the extreme and doesn't really square with how humans work.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:21pm PT
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WTF, we likely wouldn't even be a country, or have a Declaration of Independence or Constitution, if our leaders couldn't have had at least a modicum of the privacy necessary to deliberate among themselves.
Oh, and this is how 'humans work'? WTF?
Tell me where anywhere in the world today, any other society can say "We the People", with the meaning of "We" being EVERYONE on the planet?
"We the People", or "Everyone is People" is uniquely American.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:25pm PT
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:10pm PT
WTF, we likely wouldn't even be a country, or have a Declaration of Independence or Constitution, if our leaders couldn't have had at least a modicum of the privacy necessary to deliberate among themselves.
That sounds contorted. The Constitution is ALL about "We the People"
That doesn't come from people thinking in cliques.
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Wrong. Washington had participants in the constitutional convention agree before the convention began to keep their traps shut until the final product was revealed and ready for states' approvals.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:28pm PT
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Clueless. Do you have even a slight inkling into human behavior? You are conflating very different things - i.e. you are completely off-the-rails relative to the correlation between email and the deliberations which produced the documents mentioned in my post.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:39pm PT
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Wrong. Washington had participants in the constitutional convention agree before the convention began to keep their traps shut until the final product was revealed and ready for states' approvals.
Seems like Washington had a glimpse of the bigger picture!
THAT'S what I'm Say'in!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Aug 17, 2015 - 10:45pm PT
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I don't think so; looks a lot like a pretty new affection and call for integrity in politics. I mean, overlooking treason and jumping on this issue?
Whether you think so or not makes it no less low. For years I had my hands pretty full, and now to respond to you at all, I have to play "defense" all over again?
You are savvy enough to know exactly what position you put me in to play this as you have, and that's what I mean by "low."
I've been a political philosopher for decades, but debating on the politard threads was the least of my considerations during the years you cite. The fact that you can "infer" anything about my perspectives about Bush from the "absence of evidence" is wildly fallacious.
And I HAVE had many things to say in years past, even here on the Taco Stand, about how detestable I find Bush. You are essentially accusing me of being partisan in a cherry-picked distaste for corruption, but if you have actually read my politard posts, you'll clearly see that I have been entirely consistent in my profound dislike for both parties and the corruption that they foist off on us.
If you detect MORE of a "fight" from me about the Hillabeast, it's because most people here, including you, fight FOR her in the face of the overwhelming evidence that she's as corrupt as anybody else has been. By contrast, the politard threads didn't need ME adding to the dogpile on Bush!
So, you're inferring a LOT of complete bovine droppings on the basis of virtually no evidence. But, you know, carry on.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 17, 2015 - 11:02pm PT
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^^^ Great then vote for her.
For her to earn ur vote you must have atleast one positive thing to say about her??
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 17, 2015 - 11:18pm PT
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The main thing I'm beginning to infer is that you also hold a hopelessly naive perspective on the realities of our federal government. It is inherently messy and ugly process and always has been. And the survivability and effectiveness of 'philosophically-correct' [and ethically-pure] politicians is close to nil.
I'm a pragmatist - I prioritize the threats to our nation, foreign and domestic, and work from that relative to judging the behavior and performance of our politicians. The email business barely rates a blip on that scale and, if you were going to squawk about it, to do so without mentioning the crew who virtually invented the idea (and implemented it on an institutional scale) I find fairly disingenuous as a technologist.
There are clear differences between the parties, but there is no escaping the myriad consequences of Citizens United and any decision which confers the rights of individuals to corporations. Such decisions poison our democracy plain and simple.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Aug 18, 2015 - 12:21am PT
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our nation
With your pure pragmatism and thoroughgoing absence of any "naive idealism," please explain to me exactly what you think "our nation" even IS.
Are you one of these "proud to be American" bumper-sticker-sporting yahoos that can't even begin to explain what "American" is? Or do you have a single principle upon which to hang a definition?
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