The Flames.

From the Standing Rock thread ( link to 2nd page where these are from )

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2908915&tn=20




Nov 22, 2016 - 05:41am PT
Standing Rock is not US land: it is treaty land under recognized ownership by the People of Standing Rock. The corps of engineers has no right to grant any use or encroachment of or on these lands.

No more than the government or any corporation has the right to lay a pipeline across your back yard, there is no one who has the right to lay a pipeline across the lands of a separate and deeded nation. The history of Standing Rock, Cheyenne River, and most treaty deeded reservation lands has been one of successive waves of encroachment, theft of lands, and destruction of the culture and way of life of the people who own and live on that land. Many traditional People are rising up and refusing to allow access (read: degradation) of their lands and their local environment to the corporations.

The pipeline can be diverted to somewhere else if it must be built. As an aside, it has long been proposed to run pipelines along major interstate right of ways, to create super-conduits for transport of all types, including oil, water, electricity, and goods and people. The access for maintenance would be easier and more economical as well. These are major developed and existing corridors. Yes, it might reduce the profits (of those already making millions) to comply with these corridor designs, diverting them away from privately-held lands, but it might also save some natural land areas, preserving plants and animals and soil for the use of future generations.

This is not a problem limited to the land owners of Standing Rock: it is a problem based on greed and power that encircles the globe. Everywhere, traditional people are losing their land because of greed and the encroachment of corporate interests. Environmental, cultural, human, and tribal considerations are entirely ignored, ridiculed, or outlawed by corporately-controlled governments officials. Racism is a major component of silencing the protests of those who are being robbed, usually through ridicule, sound-bites dismissal, and inappropriate portrayal through mainstream propaganda media.

Using any excuse of expediency or economy to violate contracts does not meet the test of proper peaceful negotiation and informed consent. The tribal voices have been routinely ignored, while government agents and corporations have, in a most cavalier manner, usurped the rights and lands of traditional people.

Lynne, here is one link for ways to support. http://www.papermag.com/how-to-support-nodapl-protestors-2072880726.html I am not endorsing or recommending any of these linked sites, just providing them for information purposes. If you are interested in getting more involved in these issues, you might want to check out Survival International.

If you want to focus on Standing Rock alone, it might help if you do a little research on the history of Standing Rock, You will note that the original treaty has been systematically violated and redefined through the use of continual types of warfare—military, economic, medical, and indoctrination—to force concessions from the people who live on and with those lands. If you traumatize any people enough, they will eventually collapse, unless enough support arrives to help them withstand the onslaught.

Good for you for being concerned and wanting to help. If more people had your attitude, groups such as Survival International would have a lot more victories. Brava!
Peace to you,
feralfae

Nov 23, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
Lynne,
Thank you for bringing up this issue. And for your concern.

You are always welcome in my home in Montana on your travels. You have a very good heart.

I look out at the Continental Divide from my solar home, and my Medicine Wheel is just out my door to the east. I built it myself, and many people, including me, use it for prayers. It is about 30' across of stacked iron slate slabs.

Today the chaps came to do an energy audit, after all my preaching here about energy savings, I am proud to say that my home scored 96 out of 100, and so I am happy. Most days, the sun does most of the heating, although I do have wood heat as well as back-up heat which gets turned on maybe five days each year.

And there is a lovely guest room. But you might be asked to stoke the wood fire occasionally. :)

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
ff

Oh sh#t #1,203

I've been sucked into more mindless drivel
And need Dr Angst to help me to swivel
My delirious brain
From leaving a stain
In an internet chamber of horrors again



A tale of a thread leaking before opened if said it was authored by aAvVRy
Avery ? Who builds "'his threads'"" for '"himself'" and takes it all back ?
Sharing take backseee's ?
From me I'll not share there with the
Likes of pizza crusts & H'crub!
the guy can be off his Meds ?
Ya know coming from me
That is meant to be
Funny

Bushman why would you open it ?
Why would you post a reply?
Why try to side with an indefensible position?


It is the Internet !
I'm now worried for you !
Bushman don't open threads
Without scrutiny.


Then if you must only read never post before writing on paper

Think
Not my not my monkey! Not my circumstances!

Shine your light here if you must!

But leaf off da strident un-alacrity insanity dash-offs

Look at who opened it ?
is it bound to be on anything that needs your
Reply?

Be scathing on a piece of paper 1st , 2nd & 3rd
three versions of the same snarky comment
Then come post it in flames!

resist the urge to watch the shjt Storm.

As to the sad truth I'm sure you know that it is
Avery who is short on the rails and long in need of a siding.
I'm not one who can talk.


I could have diagnosed, recommended Rx cocktails,
or something short of telling him to go walkabout.
But stayed so away,
I did not open the thread until it was on the way out.

I did read Nahooo, I always try to I think you should to

But the strong clerical skills and chronographicly listing a climbing history of a peak
Defining that there could be other climbers who may have not replied or recorded
what they did on a peak is flawed and not original work that can be forced to be credited for its accumulated form and internet published status.

Funny about that, I was able to open and read it from the second post for a few minutes at least then
My system refreshed ?, gand grx I've got to hit post