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BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Dec 11, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
And thats just the modern ones, doesnt even account for all the old fishers and stuff still out there.

It is what it is, some of us are stuck with it, for now at least. Even though my house has NG already, getting it plumbed over adds so much to the $ of going with a gas stove, it makes it so much more of a big deal. It opens a big old can of worms too. If I was going to spend dough on going gas, Id be relocating the bugger. It doesnt do much good stuffed into the corner like it is now. I also have forced air, but when the power goes out, it useless of course. Not as crewed as some buddies on donner lake who have to deal with a pellet stove.

We just have to be mindful when we burn, not be cheap. It doesnt help in the long run anyway, junk wood gives junk heat. Too many people have to do it.
scooter

climber
fist clamp
Dec 11, 2014 - 10:18pm PT
door closed
mongrel

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Dec 11, 2014 - 10:34pm PT
Yes, a lot of people just don't have a realistic choice, and I have no complaint with them. It's the fancy ass spec houses that just have to have that wood fireplace for ornament that I'm peeved about. We are fortunate to have a choice, and we took it, yanking this piece of crap out for the $300 reward:



DanaB

climber
CT
Dec 12, 2014 - 12:47am PT
In areas of the world where burning biomass is the only way to cook and heat, that is one of the primary causes of COPD.
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
out in front
Dec 13, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
Nice post Ricky, woodstoves just look so homely
ground_up

Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
Dec 13, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
Also have the Jotul oslo. One of the best woodstoves I have
used. And I have dealt with more than a few.
couchmaster

climber
Dec 16, 2014 - 10:49am PT
Mongrel noted:
"Yes, a lot of people just don't have a realistic choice, and I have no complaint with them. It's the fancy ass spec houses that just have to have that wood fireplace for ornament that I'm peeved about."

Agreed, but there are people who still put them in as a retrofit just because they want too. Those folks neither need the wood, nor care a sh#t about their neighbors breathing their sh#t. In our evaluation, I was surprised to see how costly the current crop of stoves are, they aren't for poor people anymore that's for sure.





Well spoken Mongrel:
"Just for quantitative completeness of the thread, though, even "EPA certified" whoop de doo stoves emit an enormous amount of PM2.5, the worst stuff. And the chemical composition of wood stove PM2.5 (vs. dust PM2.5) is particularly harmful. If you look at the most current EPA certified list (Nov 2014), you see that efficiencies (I guess heating efficiency) are mostly in the range of 63-72 percent, and emissions are in the range of about 1.5 to 6 GRAMS per hour, probably an average for all certified stoves of about 3 or higher. A whole gram of wood smoke particles is a LOT of particles, and that's every hour, for maybe 6-8 months in Truckee for example, and doesn't even count the giant slug of emissions when you light it or when it's not burning perfectly. That's like 35 pounds of wood smoke particles every year, from the best stoves operating perfectly. No wonder we get smoked out when there's an inversion!

I do like the aesthetics of a nice wood fire, it is beautiful and mystical and very primal. But we're long past time to allow wood burning facilities in any new residential construction, period, except on parcels of a minimum or 20 or 100 acres, where it doesn't affect anyone else so much. If you gotta have flame, go gas. A go play outdoors! You don't need to heat the house much when you're out getting some. "
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 16, 2014 - 11:04am PT

What a great thread. I feel at home here.

Though Norwegian ain't doin it right...
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Dec 16, 2014 - 11:09am PT
Trailer houses are built to tight for wood stoves to work properly. You'll need an extra outdoor air supply for the stove in order for it to draw sufficiently.
tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2014 - 05:01am PT
well the lad started to close the door on the stove without me needing to back up my opinion with scientific evidence the night i wrote the original post.

. i tried to include pictures, but i can't for some reason.

the idea of the trailer being airtight is laughable, although i have plugged up most of the drafts at this point, it is a shitty little trailer (aka static caravan)

the trailer is on twenty acres, and our closest neighbors are horses. i think it rains so much the particulate matter falls out of the sky pretty quick. the neighbors have not been complaining about the smoke.

we are running off of solar

there is plenty of wood in england. the lad is a tree surgeon and brings wood home from work. i have done a bit of gathering of dead stuff with a wheel barrow and a bow saw.

thanks for the advice and care. too bad people have to call each other names, but i am glad to see all the cool woodburners out there. the lad ordered the stove without me. looking at what is out there i wish i had had more say.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Dec 17, 2014 - 08:22am PT
No, they're not airtight, never said so. If your opening the door helps, well then, it's not getting enough air when the door is shut. The smaller area of a trailer coupled with a few small leaks doesn't make for a good draft to prevent it from 'puffing' when opening the door on the wood burner.

Ask some people that sell wood stoves.


From a quick google on stoves in trailers;
Before a woodstove may be installed in a mobile home, .......... Third, a hard ducting system for bringing outside combustion air directly to the stove's air inlet is required.

Also here, http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/Wood_stove_in_a_mobile_home/
LearningTrad

Trad climber
Dec 17, 2014 - 08:41am PT
these modern stoves look awesome and expensive. Can a non-trustafari afford one?
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Mar 5, 2015 - 04:45am PT
my old vermont castings vigilante
had this aweful habit of burping smoke
into the house at night,
when i had her exhaust shut down tight.

i tried various fixes like sweeping the stack
and changing wood species for night burns.

to no avail.

most recently i replaced the rope
on the top-load lid with new
3/8" line.

but the lid didn't quite seat down
so i put a huge asse granite block on
top of the lid.

now she don't smoke with
the added bonus of
an attractive thermal mass.

so in hindsight,
i had the exhaust flue closed down,
but she was drawing full air around
the leaky lid.

i don't know.
i always connect these situations
metaphorically to my own phase change (death-to-life-to-death.)

and it's not a surprise that
both the stove and i
were gasping with forced intake
and a limited means to expel.
jstan

climber
Mar 5, 2015 - 06:18am PT
For my unheated house I got a great little AirTight for $50. The triple steel chimney meeting code cost $900.

CO2 is a conserved quantity. It is all a matter of process rate. CO2 can be stored for a long time in limestone or it can be released quickly by termites or a fire. Wood fires, a natural process, releases it quickly and is needed to return minerals for use by new growth. I also get firewood by clearing away landscape cuttings that have been dumped.

It helps mightily when your nearest neighbor is more than an eighth of a mile away.
scooter

climber
fist clamp
Mar 5, 2015 - 06:35am PT
door closed

Edge

Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
Mar 5, 2015 - 07:08am PT
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 5, 2015 - 09:25am PT
Perhaps 30% of my home's heating comes from an EPA stove, supplied with wood from my own property. A good wood stove isn't cheap, but neither is an efficient furnace, and I wouldn't be without either.

I'm not going to argue the environmental pros and cons of woodstoves, but I must add that EPA-test conditions are not intended to be representative of typical or optimal operation, they are intended as a reproducible test condition for relative comparison between stoves. They reflect worst-case operation with optimum firewood, unfortunately many people don't have the space or patience to leave slow-drying woods like hickory or oak to season for the 3+ years needed to achieve optimum burn.

If you wood burners somehow haven't discovered it yet, http://www.hearth.com is a great resource on wood stoves and everything remotely associated with them, from burning practices, to the gear, to the political and environmental issues.

TE
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 5, 2015 - 09:46am PT
Ran through almost 5 cords this year so far although it's almost done....

As mentioned above, properly seasoned/DRY wood is essential. Proper stacking and placement / covering / sun-exposure plays a critical role to dry that stuff out. Anyone trying to burn year-old red oak can attest to at least 1/2 the calories going to making creosote and steam....

stunewberry

Trad climber
Spokane, WA
Mar 5, 2015 - 11:04am PT
Here is the cat checking out the thermal properties of our Quadrafire 7100 insert back at Christmas time. We go through 4 to 5 cords of tam (western larch), norway maple, and birch in a season.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Mar 5, 2015 - 01:52pm PT
Changing the subject to natural gas fireplace heaters...

Are there some that are efficient (with room air blower & heat exchanger?)
Do you close the damper when not using it to keep warm room air from going up the flue?

Or are there gas wall heaters that make the flame visible, so it's sortof nice to look at like a fireplace?

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