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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Nov 23, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
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Doesn't get much more Berkeley than this
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 23, 2014 - 12:31pm PT
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"This site is loaded with semi-autistic people with very serious reading comprehension skills."
Ummm...yeah. YEAH.
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franky
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 23, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
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Troll. It seems there is a force field around Joshua Tree that reduces IQ by twenty points if you stay there too long ;) Even "running NPS SAR" can't help (god knows what that means, probably an outright lie)
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Nov 23, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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Life feeds on life. This is the way it works. Try eating rocks and see where that gets you.
Would it be ironic if you were killed by a bear for no good reason?
You really should let the mountain lions know they shouldnt be killing poor defenseless animals too. Those as#@&%es usually go for the weak ones too. That isn't very sporting is it.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 23, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
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The deer where I live just keep multiplying. It's to the point now where it's an infestation. The coyotes have figured out that when it's wet they can chase the deer out onto the pavement where they lose their footing. Then it's mealtime. Too bad it's almost never wet here anymore. Sooner or later they'll have to tranquilize 'em and truck 'em away.
I had one fart at me up by the Needles recently. Seriously. I was hiking up to Voodoo Dome. Not the White Punks freeway, but further right. As I climbed up through the woods I kept driving a bunch of deer up ahead. Finally one of the buck's waited for me. When I was getting close he turned away and let one fly. rrrrrrrip. A solid 10 seconds, and it stank!
A couple months ago I came home to a big circle of blood on my porch. There's a hose there, and it looked like someone had tried to clean it up and failed. Investigating, I noticed a blood trail and bloody boot prints coming down from a deck at the far end and running the length of the porch. Bloody deer prints too. I deduced that someone had killed a deer in the woods downhill of the house-most likely with a bow or crossbow-then chased the thing up through my woods over the deck and onto the porch where it died. Then they must have driven up the driveway (800 ft. of windy one lane) and stashed it in their trunk. Their attempt to clean up the evidence was pathetic. The cops decided it was an animal kill. I asked since when do animals wear boots?
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 23, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
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Now I see the incredible disconnection that hunting represents. I am also now a vegetarian.
I hope you self-righteous carrot-eating types realize that hundreds of millions of cute fuzzies are killed every year during the clearing of land to feed you.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 23, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
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Proud to be an omnivore.
I shot a sparrow once, aimed at rabbits, missed, and never hit another thing, so I stopped going out "in the field."
I took to slaughtering trout by the hundreds, but they were stocked in urban lakes just moping, hoping for some corn.
I've since stopped fishing, too. If you have to catch and release to soothe environmental consciences, why do it? Ut causes the fish unnecessary problems, is as pointless as climbing with aid, and costs just as much as if you kept them and ate them.
I've NEVER had a fish taco, a McDonald's fish fillet, nor that nguoc mam fish-head sauce from Indo-China, as it was once known.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Nov 23, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
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Again, nobody seems to want answer my question why we as humans are so much more important than the nature that surrounds us?
Animals kill animals for dozens of reasons. You must think humans are special if we have to follow some special set of rules not in place for every other species.
People who think humans are worse than other species just need to learn more biology. Find me any other species on earth that cares for more than just its own and you win. Humans are the only ones... (symbiotic relationships don't count)
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2014 - 03:32pm PT
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rescues PEOPLE for money.
Sorry mouse, nothing could be further from the truth. JOSAR is and always will be an all volunteer team. I was putting in close to 2000 hours a year. Not one dime ever came my way, but I can assure plenty of dimes came out of my pocket during that time.
I liked your poem though. I just had to clarify one point.
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Josh Nash
Social climber
riverbank ca
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Nov 23, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
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I used to feel that hunting was rather strange. I never really knew any hunters growing up. Then I moved to an area where a lot of my co-workers hunt. I now understand the draw. A good deer can put healthy meat on the table for quit a while.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 23, 2014 - 03:55pm PT
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Lame thread. Poor execution, worse wording and expression.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2014 - 04:03pm PT
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Hey, if you wanna hunt, hunt. I can understand that there are those who are broke and are having a tough time putting food on the table. I understand that there are people who choose to live very remotely hunting for food.
But the truth is, that's not most hunters as far as I've seen. And, these are the people who seem to constantly end up shooting themselves or others. I find rampant stupidity funny. Oh well.
If you can't even follow even the simplest of concepts like THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN UNLOADED WEAPON, oh well.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Nov 23, 2014 - 04:06pm PT
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Grew up in the Dark Corner of Northwestern South Carolina.
We were taught there were two types of hunters - credit card Hunters who stocked up on anything sold by Cabela's who then stormed around the woods hungover hoping to shoot anything that moved and then there were those people that for whatever reason had no choice but to kill to put food on the table.
The first group were considered azzholes and looked on with disdain. The second group were considered backwards and somewhat pitied but still accepted as legitimate.
In either case, it's damn easy to crow about killing when the last 3 or 4 generations have lived with easy access to prepared game merely by picking up a Cryovac'd package of industrial meat with no thought as to who "hunted" that pig, cow, lamb or chicken.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 23, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
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Robert finds humor in things that often make the general populace uncomfortable. His brand of humor is not for everyone, especially the PC crowd.
I am usually amused, and have found no exception here!
Thanks rlf!
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Nov 23, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
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Now now Locker, don't be baiting him...
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Nov 23, 2014 - 04:24pm PT
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^^^^ true that. Ricky D
I grew up in Western Pa in a hunting and fishing culture. I went through the same progression of fishing and hunting gear as my brothers. My first gun was a pop gun, then BB, .22 then a 30.06. We had a gun club in school and regularly carried our gun to school on club day. I regularly shot small game, pheasant, Turkey's (from our back porch) ducks etc. I shot my first deer at age 16. That ended it for me.
Indeed, the first day of hunting season, the Monday after Thanksgiving was a school holiday as Kos mentioned.
Eventually even my Dad gave up hunting as he saw all the city Yahoo's come into town and shoot anything that moved...cows, farmers, bears, their buddies. Then when they'd bagged something with their high power scopes, approach it and decide it wasn't big enough they wouldn't tag it. You'd typically get one tag a season and you had to blood it. He saw scores of carcasses left behind. The local motel would have 30 or more deer carcasses on outside racks they set up for the city slicker hunters.
Most disturbing to me was bear hunting which my family never did. The bears in the Pa woods are not very bright, lumber along and serve no purpose to kill them in modern times.
I do miss the taste of truly wild turkey and venison and other small game. I have bought venison from time to time but I visualize its gone the way of turkey. Domesticated on farms to the point of turning white! Just not the same.
I suppose hunting culls the herds...but to not use what you hunt and only mount it just doesn't resonate with me anymore.
Susan
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 23, 2014 - 04:24pm PT
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There were 36,393,788 paid licenses and tags issued in the US last year.
You are statistically more likely to die falling out of a chair than a hunting accident.
14 million licensed hunters does provide ample statistical room for idiocy.
in N Arizona cows are known by their Indian name "slow elk"
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2014 - 04:24pm PT
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Hey, kill whatever you want. I just think that the recreational hunter is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. There isn't any good reason for it.
I'll say it again, if you really need to do it, and it's your source of food, go for broke.
My grandfather hunted when he was a teenager building our cabin in Big Bear with his father. There was a small general store, but as he put it, "it generally didn't have much." So, they hunted to feed themselves while they were working on the cabin.
It's the "sportsman" hunters that seem to be routinely killing themselves and others.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Nov 23, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
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A turkey shot by a hunter in the wilds had lived a much better life than the one on your table on Thursday.
Those "poor little critters minding their own business" are cute, sometimes cuddly and certainly delicious.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2014 - 04:28pm PT
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Ya can't argue with that. By the way, I've been to a slaughter house. I'm very aware of what's on the table.
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