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RandyHill
Trad climber
APPLE VALLEY
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:56am PT
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Adventure requires an uncertain outcome.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:22am PT
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Adventure is where you find it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2014 - 08:28am PT
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Adventure finds you.
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SeaToSky
Mountain climber
Vancouver, BC
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:54am PT
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Could it also be that adventure is a state of mind....not an activity?
It could be a way of looking at a task without requiring it to have a predetermined outcome.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:05am PT
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"adventurism," a pejorative term occasionally used to describe our doings in the middle east, still connotes as much cynicism as ever
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:12am PT
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Adventure finds you.
Nah, if you are competent, you usually have a good idea of what you are getting yourself into. If the outcome is in doubt, it is a AAA adventure.
If you can easily die, it is a AAAA adventure.
Doing El Cap for the first time feels like a AAA adventure, even if bailing is easy.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:16am PT
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if somebody took me spelunking for a few days, I would feel like going on an adventure since I've never done it before
Sure man, anytime. Not the same level as climbing but adventurous nonetheless. It's normal to get lost and not know which way is out. The main thing, though, is to finish your cave trip before the headlamp batteries go out.
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The Call Of K2 Lou
Mountain climber
North Shore, BC
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:19am PT
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Bring a headlamp in the first place.
Go somewhere, or do something outside of your comfort level. Adventure will be there.
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E Robinson
climber
Salinas, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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Adventure is still to be had...it's in the unknown,the unheralded, and the obscure. Hard stuff that nobody really understands or wants to repeat. Going out for wildness in complex weather or through brush or through choss. Going out alone. But...never too scared or with regrets. And commercialization just cheapens it all .
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
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Walking down the wrong street in Chicago can be a real adventure, things can go horribly wrong! An adventure of a different sort is often encountered by the elderly just trying to have a POOP, it can take them out of their comfort zone to say the least. Peace and f-nes from the dlfa
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
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OK! My apologies if someone else brought this up along the way, but adventure involves:
No Communication with the rest of the world.
I am distressed to see all you youngsters thinking that your phone will save you if anything goes truly wrong. Of course, the next step is: depending on your SAT phone, or PLB to save your lost and/or injured ass.
True adventure involves taking risks off the grid, with no hope of immediate rescue.
It was normal in the last century.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:41am PT
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I've been loathe to contribute to this thread as it is obvious that there are many views on what "adventure" is and as usual for an American dominated forum there is no way of moving people off of their "right to an opinion."
But reading the NYTimes this morning I came across this interesting article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/nyregion/judge-keeps-felony-charges-in-trade-tower-jump.html
James Brady, Marko Markovich, and Andrew Rossig and the lookout Kyle Hartwell are seeking to have their charges reduced... basically arguing that they had things so wired that there was no risk to the public, or to property, in their jump.
The video was linked in the STForum: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2371561
[Click to View YouTube Video]
'...Mr. Rossig’s lawyer, Timothy Parlatore, said the men would call sky diving experts who would testify the jumps were done safely. Mr. Parlatore said of the defendants, “They implemented as many safety precautions as they could.”
Justice Solomon disagreed. “Given all of the unpredictable variables attendant with this type of behavior,” he said, “the fact that no one was actually injured or that property was not actually damaged is remarkably fortunate. Certainly it goes without saying that the situation could have turned out much differently.” '
Was it an adventure or not an adventure?
The jumpers argue that there was minimal or no risk of the outcome. It sounds to me like the judge knows better on this one.
Here the argument is not just the blathering of a bunch of STForum wonks...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:23am PT
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I can't see trespass and jumping as felonies, but obviously the judge wants to send a message.
Look at how many violent felons plead down to misdemeanors.
Fritz,
it was far more common in the 17th through the 19th centuries, truly the age of exploration.
But one also risked being thought a fraud like Laird Bruce who brought back stories from Abysinia that were so incredible that he wasn't vindicated until after his death.
A Go-Pro sure would have helped.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:36am PT
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of course if you happened to have been walking on a sidewalk and got hit by a falling BASE jumper whose 'chute failed to open in time (public endangerment), you wouldn't have had any say in the matter...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:01am PT
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Those retards Ed cites, pun intended, don't realize that judges don't take
kindly to being told how to interpret the law and they especially don't
cotton to the unrepentant.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:02am PT
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For once I agree with old Bruce k. If you have young kids tone it down a bit-the responsible course, of course.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:02am PT
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Joe Beaumont - In The Frame - Little Chamonix
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Putting the adventure back into climbing when you have become a different climber... What am I doing? (culture) Who am I? (identity) Who am I seen as? (reputation)
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
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Check out http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/02/opinion/Sunday/a-natural-fix-for-ADHD.html?_r=0 if you haven't already done so. Maybe our brains have evolved for an environment that no longer exists, and it makes sense that people are trying to adapt our brains to the environment that does exist? But no! The right thing to do is to satisfy our thirst for adventure, or if you find that your brain doesn't have enough thirst for adventure, there's something wrong with you - you're not trying hard enough! Just look at our friends and heroes at supertopo - all the right people say so - it must be true. I'm always impressed by how good we humans are at confirmation bias, regardless of what exactly it is that we believe.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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for the connection of our physical activities with brain chemistry, you might check out Doug's provocative ideas in his book...The Alchemy of Action
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