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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 13, 2014 - 08:21am PT
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A perfectly good word that has been hopelessly overused by practically everyone.
Adventure is not scripted. Yvon Chouinard had a great definition...."adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
Sorry....
You didn't have an adventure climb because you waded thru poison ivy to do six pitches of trad.
You didn't have "adventure" on a run with aid stations and a prescribed course, however long.
That via ferrata above Telluride where you overtipped your guide was fun but hardly an adventure.
Life is full of adventure.....the real ones are lurking, you can't buy them.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:23am PT
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Overtipped your guide?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2014 - 08:25am PT
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You....not me. Oops, forgot, you are a guide.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:30am PT
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adventure only begins when things start going wrong
Yes!!!! Absolutely!!!
The day one is born is the day when everything has started going wrong.
The living entity does not belong in the material world ....
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:33am PT
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Adventure is not scripted. Yvon Chouinard had a great definition...."adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
I don't necessarily agree but I haven't had the frequency of adventure in my life he has.
Speaking of overused words.. Epic. An epic begins when things go wrong. In my book an adventure doesn't always need things to go wrong, you just have be out of your comfort zone, mentally and physically.
maybe -> You didn't have an adventure climb because you waded thru poison ivy to do six pitches of trad.
hell no -> You didn't have "adventure" on a run with aid stations and a prescribed course however long.
Unless you are from Houston! -> That via ferrata above Telluride where you overtipped your guide was fun but hardly an adventure.
Damn straight -> Life is full of adventure.....the real ones are lurking, you can't buy them.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:35am PT
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^^^ Cragar, seems we're nearly on the same page. (HAHA) I don't know what coffee you're drinking, but I'm drinking Folgers and smoking some bunk weed. (It was free, WTF.)
Smoke weed every day and life is an adventure, right The Larry?
BooDawg and I had an adventure, but it was no epic, in hindsight. I knew and he knew we'd get help. Everything was fine, we knew what to do, little in the way of decision-making that would imperil us if we were wrong.
Adventure requires a degree of insecurity and doubt and anticipation.
An epic seems usually to result from too much unplanned sh!t happening during an adventure, like Yvon say, and Oprah would agree, I'm sure, which seals the deal.*
Is an epic an adventure? Of course. But is every adventure an epic? You be the judge.
Nice to see you got up on the right side of the bed today, Jimbo. I guess you got a good night's sleep after "experiencing" the pangs of ennui and lack of interest in the front page here. I mean that. Seriously. You should watch more of Oprah. :0)
One way to have adventure, nearly guaranteed, is to go "out there" on your own hook, nobody helping to shuttle loads, maybe nobody as a partner, you need to be inventive.
*The unexpected, that's adventure. Like when an old sling parts as you begin a rappel, for example. Or when Ophrah brings out a surprise guest. It makes the whole thing lots more memorable.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:48am PT
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Crager's views are similar to mine. Yvon's "definition" is hardly definative, but to each their own. But, isn't that the point? Adventure is very much relative. For some, perhaps, if everything goes right there is insufficient excitement or unexpectedness for there to be adventure.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2014 - 08:57am PT
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Not looking for a definitive definition. Just pointing out that the word has been used by companies marketing departments to the point where it has lost it's real meaning.
In your case perhaps adventure begins when things start getting.....sketchy.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:01am PT
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Adventure is in the eye of the beholder. So sayeth Survival, so it is. Amen.
Me thinks your definition is too narrow Jim. Good ol' Merriam sez it thus:
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a : an undertaking usually involving danger and unknown risks
b : the encountering of risks <the spirit of adventure>
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: an exciting or remarkable experience <an adventure in exotic dining>
My young son certainly had an adventure on Tenaya Peak. Very little went wrong, except getting caught behind a slow party near the top, and doing some descending in the dark.
My son, who has actually done quite a number of difficult outdoor things, faced a long day, his first time on that many roped pitches, physical challenges, exposure, a bit of temperature, joy, fear, fatigue, darkness and more.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:12am PT
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adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
Well then, life past 60 is an adventure.
At least mine.
Susan
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:13am PT
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Adventure starts when the things get out of control.
Yes.
Tell me one person who is control?
Not one person.
Otherwise one would never die .......
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:15am PT
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"adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
That sounds more like the definition of an epic. An adventure to me is when you don't know what's going to happen next.....life itself is an adventure.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:18am PT
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Life is an adventure from day one, especially if you venture from the comfort zone of the known.
There are many degrees/levels of adventure dependent on ones expertise, conditioning, age, and relative objective hazards. While often depicted as heroic, adventure beyond ones ability to somewhat control the outcome is not a neccessity for spiritual well being.
Take my old freind Bob and my adventure from yesterday for example. Combined age of 122 years and both with a multi decade abscense from the sport to pursue more mundane, but rewarding aspects of life. We drove 2.5 hours out into the NV hinterlands, parked in 36 degree temperature under cloudy skies and wind, then hiked up a rock lined canyon and cliff strewn hillside for a few miles , 1500 feet elevation gain and 50 minutes to our previously unclimbed ( now has three quality trad climbs) secret Dome of the Rock area. We launched up a route we had backed off from the previous April in unsettled weather. The architecture of the rock prevented view of the upper two thirds of the route so their was the unknown if the route would go with our meager abilities and no leader fall ethic. We took the easier turn at two locations, avoiding a mega classic long 5.10 splitter at one point, to emerge spitits renewed aftet two new pitches of unknown at the top. Still lots of adventure there before we have to turn it over to the more adept.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:24am PT
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I think Depends should sponsor climbers.
"The Adverture begins when sh#t happens."
Or
"Sh#t your pants, have an adventure."
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:28am PT
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"The Adventure begins when sh#t happens."
Oh bullsh!t!
The whole world sh!ts every morning .......
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:29am PT
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"Execute them."[Click to View YouTube Video]"Bogus!"
Bogus adventure? Hmmm...interesting, but mundane.
Sobek. Blame them.
YMS. Blame them.
That is, if anything is really wrong with the 'adventure' they all sell.
"You simply need more notes, Mozart."
"But there are just the correct number of notes, Your Majesty."
WE OBVIOUSLy NEED MORE WORDS.
And Locker, old bud-smoker, it's "top bunk." I'm glad I have it, too. It was grown lovingly in Mariposa County by an ex-con who was on an adventure. Okay?
I really enjoyed the hell out of Mozart in the music store.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:45am PT
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I think this is a Donini cry for help.
Having done so many mind-boggling awesome things in his life, he faces a problem that most of us don't have. He will have to learn to be satisfied with accomplishments that don't match up to his vision of what is possible, when age eventually catches up with him.
The nugget of wisdom is this: Adventure is relative.
If you push your personal boundaries, go for something that you think is just a bit beyond you, strive for more than what you are or can do or have in your life at that time, that is an adventure.
Learning to accept vicarious pleasure from Supertopo trip reports is an adventure when you are accustomed to being on the sharp end.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:53am PT
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Isn't crapping your pants called having an "accident"? If that is the definition of having an adventure, then both my kids had hundereds of adventures before they were potty trained.
For me right now, and this is what got me onto this forum, spending a week and going climbing in the WInds is my idea of a good potential adventure. Plenty there out of my control so who knows what will happen. For Donini, this would just be another day at the office. What constitutes an adventure is relative. Today my body feels like it got hit by a bus, so just getting out of bed and to work was an adventure or sorts.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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Moose, are you agreeing with Scott about donini's putative cry for help or that the nugget of wisdom is correct?
I'm looking forward to some excellent adventure this coming year with you, amigo.
It's raining like it really means it here, how about there?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:01am PT
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Sure the word is overused but...
All the respect in the world Donini but your post is elitist, curmudgeonly bullshˇt.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:01am PT
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After I quit climbing and jumping to be a full time dad, I was always Jones-ing for adventure. So I would make up stuff.
Some of my greatest adventures, and certainly the ones where I got most out there, were hikes. My favorite places were the Brooks Range and the Sonoran Desert. Cast off with just enough food or water to make it to the other side.
But they were only hikes...so in theory they weren't that dangerous. Ha Ha.
Is anyone else like that? You have to have some sort of adventure on a regular basis or you start climbing out of your skin?
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dhayan
climber
los angeles, ca
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:05am PT
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"only the unexpected is real" - Nisargadatta
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MH2
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:09am PT
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'Adventurous' had been overused but it has now been killed since Jian Ghomeshi used it to describe his sex life.
Although this seems to be apt:
"adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:20am PT
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It's raining like it really means it here, how about there?
It's NOT raining here like it really means it. No sh#t though, we are in a major drought.
Ever since both my kids got through high school, I been jonezin for some "adventure" in the mountains. But what my mind wants and what my body says it can do don't necessarily jive. Hopefully going to try out some ice climbing this winter though. Got an open invitation....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:25am PT
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Don't sugar coat it Jefe!!! Tell us how you really feel, HA!
Yes, hikes can be VERY adventurous. Many things can go wrong, right?
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:25am PT
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I've had more adventures on royal arches than any other climb
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:29am PT
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And then when a couple of noobs go out and have a proper "adventure" (you know, the kind where things go wrong, as described above) we can go on supertopo and start lambasting them for being ill-prepared and irresponsible. Isn't that how it works? BLAH BLAH THEY HAD ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS BEING ON THAT MOUNTAIN BLAH BLAH SAR RISKING THEIR LIVES TO SAVE THEIR DUMB ASSES BLAH BLAH BLAH
edit: what jefe said
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 13, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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^^^Ha Ha....Yes. This is how adventure works.
For it to be an adventure, there should be some question whether you can actually do it or not. If you know you can go do something without a problem, it might not be a true adventure. If it is close to your limit, then it could be.
For something to be a true adventure, there must be some bad consequence if you fail. This is kind of arbitrary, but all too true. If it is a slam dunk, it ain't an adventure.
Using those two rules, you can think up an adventure to try in about 5 minutes. The idea part. Actual prep might take months of training. But there has to be some consequence if you fail.
See below: Hazardous and Questionable
n.noun
1.An undertaking or enterprise of a hazardous nature.
2.An undertaking of a questionable nature, especially one involving intervention in another state's affairs.
3.An unusual or exciting experience.
4.Participation in hazardous or exciting experiences.
5.A financial speculation or business venture.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 13, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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People Guide via ferratas? And get overtipped doing same?
We're doing this all wrong, Larry!
Bring on the murder of the Possible!
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Nov 13, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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The less skill, knowledge, physical ability, and common sense the person has; the lower the bar is for their chance of an "adventure" experience. And yes, compared to a lot of you, I resemble this remark.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Nov 13, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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No Wait! It was Ralph T. that ended up in the hospital watching the cats :(
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2014 - 11:40am PT
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Now i'm being called a curmudgeonly, elitist bullshiter. I think the bullshiters are companies and organizations who market their services and products as "adventure."
Don't forget your treking poles on your next adventure race.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 11:42am PT
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Kinda like what has happened to the word "reality" from all those "reality TV" shows. Common usage is redlining the meanings of many words in our languages. Sometimes this pisses me off a bit and other times I think it is creative and useful. Most of the time I'm just trying to keep up.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 13, 2014 - 11:44am PT
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"Adventure" is the new "extreme"
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Nov 13, 2014 - 11:47am PT
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The adventure only begins after your guide don his new Patagonia jacket and hands you your first clif bar for the day. :-)
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 11:48am PT
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I think the Warbler got it right. Without uncertainty, we have no adventure.
And I guess I'm elitist, too, because the marketing of "adventure" galls me as it seems to gall Jim. What most of the "advenutre marketers" sell may be exotic, but its outcome is seldom in doubt.
Then again, there was that phrase that surfaced in the mid-1970's, "Adventure is a sign of incompetence."
John
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 13, 2014 - 11:52am PT
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Life is full of adventure.....the real ones are lurking, you can't buy them.
When you quit breathing, nothing? Or an adventure? Keep lurking Donini.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2014 - 11:55am PT
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AdventureYogi out of the UK likes to combine yoga with "adventures" like skiing and snowboarding.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
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Yoga. More stretching. Uhhhh. That's an adventure for me no matter where I do it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
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Coach Ron Gunn offers "adventure" hiking with cushy lodging in such remote areas as Tuscany and Hawaii.......don't spill the chianti on the polenta.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
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I would agree that the tern is overused. For me, it is pretty much synonymous with dealing with the unknown and real consequences. I recognize this can be relative, person to person. And I also recognize the "unknown" is frankly pretty relative as well. How do you know a meteor is not going to shoot down outa space and strike you dead on the spot, randomly? Does that mean we are always dealing with adventure, in this thing called life? Perhaps, but I think how I personally define it would be : "anything where you can't with great certainty predict the outcome, and there are in fact serious consequences if stuff goes too wrong". Obviously, "serious consequences" could be different, person to person, and "with great certainty" leaves room for what amount of certainty we are talking about, but I'll leave it at that.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
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I think the bullshiters are companies and organizations who market their services and products as "adventure."
You did not say this in your original post.
You minimized what others consider adventure.
Some people's adventure chakra does not burn as brightly as yours, Jim.
edit:
namaste
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
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I thought this was headed towards being a fun thread. Now it's turned into an adventure argument....as in I'll see you an adventure and raise you two.
I'd hardly call you an elitist, bullshiter Jim. I don't know any elitists that volunteer to take newbies ice climbing.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
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It seems that JD is after the commercialization of the word, not us lowly semi-adventurous participants.
With that I can agree.
You did not say this in your original post. Thus was my original confusion over the OP born.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2014 - 12:06pm PT
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Yoga and pilates are offered at an Adventure Fitness retreat on the beautiful coastline of Croatia.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
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I met J-Do 44 years ago. I do sigh when he gets like this. I join others in wondering why he insists on these types of orgulous pronouncements. Usually I ascribe them to J-Do simply baiting folks and laughing as the catfish inevitably surface to his bait.
Other times I just have to remind myself of his many many years of lonely chastity in India's Calcutta, washing the feet of the Untouchables and very poor.
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John M
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:18pm PT
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Don't take it so hard Jim.. Your life has been lived so large and your tolerance of scary situations is so high that your definition of adventure doesn't fit the average person. I don't agree that things have to start to go wrong for it to be called an adventure. I think to be an adventure something simply has to push the limits of ones comfortability, and thus for some, the via ferrata is an adventure, albeit a tame one in comparison to your adventures. But that just highlights the vast difference between people on this planet, with you being the upper crust of the adventuring spirit.
I don't' care if the average person wants to call a via ferrata an adventure. If it causes him to value adventure, then he or she will be more likely to protect my right to have whatever adventure I want, up to and including risking my life.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
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Whatever definition you attach to "adventure", it is a substantial alternative to being out-climbed by a 9-year old on the local rocks or in the local gym.
(I admit, I am a bit curmudgeonly when I see such tiny tots doing boulder problems two grades beyond what I was able to do years ago when I was at full strength. Makes you question the very notion of move "difficulty!" )
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:31pm PT
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Yeah, Johno, and funny.
Also it puts the question what "difficulty" might actually be in the context of our art and sport. It presents a quandary for sure. It seems to point towards the personal rather than the universal.
I think some people (upon reading J-Do when he makes these sorts of pronouncements) experience his remarks not as an general urging for everyone to have real adventures but instead find his remarks a proclamation that J-Do would be one of the finest and most admirable models of a modern day adventurer. ("Modesty is calling attention to whatever you are being humble about" in other words). Knowing J-Do as I do, I have to urge everyone to understand his meaning to be the former and that he actually never strays too far nor for too long from his large collection of cashmere sweaters and cardigans.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
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Donini Debates Cesare Maestri before the World Sushi Summit 2003
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 13, 2014 - 01:42pm PT
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If you really pursued adventure you'd be dead. You gotta have a 50% chance of death for it to be real adventure.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 13, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
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I disagree Jim,
technically "adventure" is from the latin "to go towards", so you don't need mishaps merely a goal.
If you ask me, being alone high up on a virgin wall is plenty of adventure for me even without anything going wrong. Ever been there?
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Nov 13, 2014 - 02:27pm PT
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Yup.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Nov 13, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
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tiptoeing through the tulips can be an adventure for some...
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yosguns
climber
San Mateo, California
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Nov 13, 2014 - 02:57pm PT
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You didn't have an adventure climb because you waded thru poison ivy to do six pitches of trad.
What if it was only supposed to be five pitches of trad...but you broke one pitch into two? I feel that someone mentioned what I did this weekend to you; it's uncanny. And I thought I was special!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 13, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
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More wasabi!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 13, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
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hey there say, donini... :))
i liked this, as to your quote and 'lookingsketchythere's 'handle':
Not looking for a definitive definition. Just pointing out that the word has been used by companies marketing departments to the point where it has lost it's real meaning.
In your case perhaps adventure begins when things start getting.....sketchy.
love those 'word overlaps' as to joining 'two beads' onto a 'string of thought' ... :))
say, susan, also, love the 'thought of adventure' as to applied to being
over 60 = wow, i've been having a few, too... :O
now me:
i think of adventure as this:
'A VENTURE' ;) MEANING:
anything NEW, that i take on, or step-forth to, as to:
--> not fully knowing the outcome...
and expecting the excitment of NEW THINGS to see, learn, and understand
that are character-building, TESTING and USEFUL for the longhaul...
like: wow, THAT sure was an adventure!
(some you want to do again... and others are best just 'savored for what they were') :)
these things, of course, can be outdoors, but i don't limit them to that, as, i have my 'artistic take' on the word and think of the adventure as to
other life-issues as well, dealing with kids, critters, or spur of the moment things, too...
but i sure do agree with this part of what donini said:
as to word over-use...
it does mess-up the inspiration of what adventure
can fully, and at its deepest, REALLY contain...
(i think the danger part, belongs in the EPIC adventures, though, as to my way of seeing 'epic' ... got to 'really fill that cup' then, so more elements of adventure, are needed... )
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 04:05pm PT
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It's an adventure, the outcome is uncertain.
I use that phrase all the time with my wife to prevent an assumption that I know how something will go or can guarantee it will be fun. I think it's actually a good working definition. Notably, it embraces adventure as different things for different people. Just because something isn't an adventure for you doesn't mean it isn't for someone else with a different set of skills and experience. Interesting things happen when people do things they aren't certain they are capable of, and it's the movement beyond your preconception that counts, not the absolute point of departure.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
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Peter....and i thought Maestri was cosmopolitan until he told me sushi should only be used as bait.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Nov 13, 2014 - 05:25pm PT
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Shoulda seen the adventure me and the wife had at ikea awhile back!
Fits all definitions outlined here.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
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I consider adventure to be outside my own personal comfort zone. You know you are having an adventure when your senses sharpen, and awareness focuses. I bet we all wear a slightly different face too.
Also if you think you might have an adventure, you better pack a cliff bar just in case the sh#t hits the fan
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dave yerian
Trad climber
the parking lot
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Nov 13, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
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If the sh#t hits the fan what I do with a Clif Bar will be the least of my worries......jess sayin'.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Nov 13, 2014 - 05:57pm PT
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I think the Warbler got it right. Without uncertainty, we have no adventure.
Everyday is an adventure for me with this definition.
Don't believe me...come visit.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Nov 13, 2014 - 07:34pm PT
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Hope I do not have an adventure when I solo than...
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Nov 13, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
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I say what adventure is for you. My brain works the right way, yours .. well .. sorry.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
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Back about 1915, Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who was about to go far out onto the arctic icecap for three months with one companion and a dog team, unsupported, was asked by the media, "Do you expect to have many adventures?"
Stefansson said (approx.) "No! Adventures are what happens to people who don't know what they are getting into."
Cocky bugger. And they went against the advice of the Inuit, who said there were no seals much beyond the barrier ice, so nothing to eat. They went out anyway. they did use an awful lot of cold living techniques learned from the Inuit. But they ate seals and polar bears for three months, and heated with them too.
Given up for dead, they came back healthier than when they left, after eating only fat meat for months.
It's unlikely that many mountaineers could embark on an equally audacious adventure, as there are fewer seals to eat up there, and yetis seem a bit elusive. But perhaps that mind set gives us an inkling of some of what our current heroes are thinking. If you know what you're doing, you can manage it. Of course a few marginally or totally unpredictable events can happen, and then we have dead heroes.
Interesting that when you start an adventure without being ready for it and perish, you are scorned, but if you have already survived a good many, you are mourned.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
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Where have all the adventures gone?
[Click to View YouTube Video]They've all gone to sea in search of fun.
"Hi, I'm Josh!! Gush!!"
Gone to Yemen, every one.
[Click to View YouTube Video]"I'm Mike. I do the math. Fail to plan, plan to fail. The Bird said that."
Wayne, that Brooks Range venture with Ned Gilette back in the early seventies was quite an adventure.
Brooks Range Hike You
I've got to admit
It was a marvelous bit
You've always been fit
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
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Doesn't true adventure start and end in AdventureLand?
Or Main Street, one.
Uncle Walt (the brother that you never had)
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
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"Don't worry about it. I feel my way through these mountains
blindfolded all the time"
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:45pm PT
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All of my major 'adventures' have occurred nowhere near the "outdoors". If the old adage that adventure only occurs when 'shit happens' then the earthquake I experienced in my old hometown of Christchurch, NZ in 2011 must surely qualify. It was a shallow 6.2 directly under the city, 185 people were killed. It was, without doubt, the most frightening day of my life. The very worst part of it is the total lack of control you have over nature in such situations.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 14, 2014 - 12:13am PT
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 14, 2014 - 01:04am PT
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C'mon donini, any worthwhile adventurer knows you don't drink chianti with polenta!
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 14, 2014 - 01:14am PT
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Vitus Bering. Now that guy knows adventure.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Nov 14, 2014 - 03:51am PT
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^^^ "random, calamity & bonk" :) ... LLC?
the definitive test for adventure might involve a blood test, maybe a swab of the brow.
judgement and competency can be a real adventure kill. but then,
some savor the afterglow effect of the "got it handled" hormone.
and what's this about tripping over the guide?
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Nov 14, 2014 - 04:21am PT
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Jim,
If you hadn't done all the leading on the harder pitches, we would still be up there! We got done well before dark, so it wasn't an adventure, but I'm too old for those kind of adventures these days.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Nov 14, 2014 - 04:44am PT
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Great job^^^^^.Really like those Winds.Cheers Wilbeer.
Off on another adventure,life.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Nov 14, 2014 - 05:46am PT
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It's all relative; getting out of your own comfort zone.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 14, 2014 - 05:52am PT
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Hey Donini-
How 'bout this
"Take the 'Ad' out of adventure".
That's probably what you were getting at, huh?
...and while you're at it
"Put the 'Sports' back in Sportsmobile"
;-)
Peace buddy.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 14, 2014 - 06:20am PT
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Pretty simple. Which did you learn more from and remember better - the climbs that came off perfectly without a hitch or your epics?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 14, 2014 - 06:38am PT
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Damn adventure capitalists.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Nov 14, 2014 - 06:44am PT
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THE meaning of add venture is showing up.
There has been more crap to deal with since this thread went up.
but I have some good thoughts on this one Jim, so just take A moment 'cause I have not got time any time soon to answer you
you are one lucky schnook
All respect to you as one of everymans all of ours true lights and heros
Adventure is in the beholders eye and not some thing that any one can live for another
I have got so much to say about this ....
I have taught mens womens and kids to respect the inner voices that.... well.... You hear 'em too
don't ya Jimbo??
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
montana
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Nov 14, 2014 - 06:45am PT
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I must lead a pretty boring life..My only "Adventure" lately has been trying to "Housebreak" two golden retreiver puppies..
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa
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Nov 14, 2014 - 07:02am PT
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Ha, just as I thought, no people in adventure land either then or now.
The Decline and Fall of True Adventure in the 20th Century.
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 14, 2014 - 07:11am PT
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healyje wrote:
Pretty simple. Which did you learn more from and remember better - the climbs that came off perfectly without a hitch or your epics?
Well those are two different concepts, aren't they?
Of course I always learn from mistakes, and I suppose the more "epic-y" the mistaken-filled outing the more experience I've gained to apply to future outings.
But my most memorable climbs were not at all my epics, but those where I (ad)ventured out of my comfort zone, where I pushed beyond the edge of my envelope into what was unknown territory for me: whether it be difficulty, discovering a new route or area (or both at the same time), or the mental aspect of the game. Add to that the sheer beauty of the places where all this took place. None were epics.
Of course, that doesn't mean my epics weren't memorable, just not among the top 5 most memorable.
Cheers.
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pinckbrown
Trad climber
Lake Tahoe, CA
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Nov 14, 2014 - 07:26am PT
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Rick Sumner wrote:
We have to turn it over? Crap
Bob Pinckney
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Nov 14, 2014 - 08:19am PT
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It's the last great adventure left to mankind.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 14, 2014 - 08:22am PT
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Adventure starts at A5cR
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2014 - 08:23am PT
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Womankind is the last (and enduring) great adventure left to mankind.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Nov 14, 2014 - 08:41am PT
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Hocking, That is Funny!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 14, 2014 - 09:50am PT
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Maybe Stefansson could live off seals in 1915, but now they'd put a cap in his head like UBL.
Yeah, THAT would be an adventure!
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Nov 14, 2014 - 10:13am PT
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"Tragedy narrowly averted."
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 14, 2014 - 11:39am PT
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I'm still pondering Croatia. I hear the sailing is excellent!
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WallMan
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 14, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
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Good thread Jim! Yeah - agreed - over used and improperly used word most of the time.
Climb Ohn. Wally
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 14, 2014 - 12:40pm PT
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For it to be a real adventure, you have to risk dying. Or calling for a rescue. Now that everyone carries sat-phones, anyone can call for help. It is weird to me that you can now call your mom from El Cap. In 1980, a cell phone was unimaginable. Like Captain Kirk's communicator.
I took a sat-phone to ANWR one summer. I never used it until I got stuck in the tiny bivy tent for 3 days in a July snow storm. I called everyone I could think of out of boredom. The bill was 300 bucks or something. I've never used one since.
Anyway, all of my real adventures have been solo. Doing things by yourself totally ups the ante.
I wish I had video of a pissed off grizzly charging me. That was cool. It didn't rattle me a bit. I was as calm as can be. You get that way after a certain amount of exposure to scary situations.
I do get sad when my friends die or get things like head injuries. I still think about Walt all of the time. It shouldn't have been such a shock when he died, but it was. That is the worst thing about risking your life, even a little. Your friends get sad when you check out.
Other than that, risking my life has brought me great joy. Weird, eh?
I bought a sailboat a couple of years ago with the plan of learning to cruise. I've sailed small boats for many years. I haven't had a chance to even put it in the water due to work and time constraints. The damn thing is sitting on the hard on Chesapeake Bay...quite a ways away. Now that my son is getting out of college I might be able to take off and go sail it. It will be an all-in type of deal, though.
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GuapoVino
climber
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Nov 14, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
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I have to go somewhere on a regular basis or I start to go a little nuts. My oldest son (high school senior just turned 18) has no interest in any of that stuff so I usually try to go somewhere about every other weekend and some weekends we might do something that interests him but mainly nowadays he's never home, out with his friends all weekend, staying at friends' houses, and yes I've learned to call the other parents to make sure the story isn't total BS.
Things were going good for a while but I guess the excessive freedom of dad being gone on the weekend was too much temptation and I started getting calls from the school or the cops every time I would go somewhere because of wild parties at my house with 50 kids there or skipping classes on Friday afternoon when I'm gone (little focker).
I was way too lax but I've had to clamp down on him and he has matured and is trying to not do any more stupid crap but it has severely curtailed my excursions and adventures because I'm too worried to leave him home alone until he learns to be a little more trustworthy.
I've missed about two months of my routine of going places and I'm about to climb the walls right now. I keep looking to the future for when he graduates and goes to college and I can then start being more free to come and go as I please. Or so I thought. He took the ACT and scored a 20 on it. He plans to take it again but if he can't score 24 or better it means he will be doing his first year at a local school and will be living at home. I have some big trips planned starting this summer. If I'm stuck here babysitting next year I'm going to go mental and wind up on the news.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Nov 14, 2014 - 06:46pm PT
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I'm thinking, adventure just happens. I suppose I could stack the deck and start up Mount Rainier without any clothes on or something (hmmm, something just occurs to me). But anyhow, life provides plenty of adventures... must be 27 different varieties just involving having kids. Sometimes,it seems like I'm always getting avalanched on.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 14, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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Adventure happens.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 14, 2014 - 07:34pm PT
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Cragman?
Can't find your quote in this thread?
"All the respect in the world Donini but your post is elitist, curmudgeonly bullshˇt." drljefe
Oh man! Once again, Jefe NAILS it!!!!!!
Of course, Donini is an elitist curmudgeon, but he mainly engages in bullshist to troll up fish like you.
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The Alpine
climber
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Nov 15, 2014 - 08:38am PT
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Most adventure emphasizes the "ad" part these days.
Its a big money maker, baby!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2014 - 08:51am PT
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"Judge not, that ye be not judged" Matthew 7: 1-3. Nuggets of truth can be found in even the poorest fiction.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 15, 2014 - 08:52am PT
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Now this thread is getting adventurous!
Just to clarify my original post-
I said Jim's POST was elitist and curmudgeonly, which I still think it was, troll or not.
Jim, and others, immediately felt I called HIM an elitist, a curmudgeon, and a bullshˇtter, which I didn't.
If I had wanted to say that, I would have.
And I almost did!!!! ;-)
But I have heaps of respect for Jim and if he wants to be that way, or troll that way, he's certainly earned the right to, in my eyes.
I still think his POST was misdirected-
He could have rallied against the big guy instead of the little one.
Whatevz- hope you find some adventure today, wherever that falls in the spectrum.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2014 - 08:54am PT
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Good points Jefe!
I guess my thread was misdirected. My intention was to point out that companies and organizations in the outdoor industry had seized on the word "adventure" and were using it to market their wares. In doing so they had diluted the real meaning of adventure.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nov 15, 2014 - 10:08am PT
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Perhaps the Mariah/Outside type magazines of the late-70 and early-80s helped steer "adventure" into the marketable form it gets dragged through today.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2014 - 10:08am PT
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Absolutely Cragman....this forum is a place to post personal opinions on which not everyone will agree. It is also a place to post different posistions regarding a thread....that is how we learn.
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Alex Baker
climber
Portland
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Nov 15, 2014 - 10:40am PT
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An astronaut told me that "adventure starts when intuition no longer applies". That definition works for me.
AB
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2014 - 11:09am PT
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Cragman....i'm down with the Bastille Buttress but the approach gives me pause.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 15, 2014 - 11:28am PT
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I have to go somewhere on a regular basis or I start to go a little nuts.
I am exactly the same. Working on a computer all day just sucks the life out of me.
It isn't that hard to invent off the shelf adventures. I read Ed Abbey's short story, A Walk In The Desert Hills. He tries to hide the place, but it was a walk across Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge. There is an old road that crosses it from Ajo to Yuma, and he took that road. If you go cross country, water is basically impossible to find.
So on my first trip in there I walked from Ajo to Yuma cross country. I didn't take the road. I had a sleeping bag, a bivy sack, 5 extra large Snickers Bars, and 5 gallons of water. It was January. Still hot enough to sweat, but my water bottles froze every night.
It was 75 miles or so. I did it in 4 days and had almost half of my water left when I got to the end. Then I took the bus back.
I started going there every winter. Finally the border wars got so bad that I swore I would never return.
Anyway, there ya go. A reasonably inexpensive adventure. Tons of people have been dying in there for two centuries. So you can get whacked. Going solo ups the risk. If you break an ankle or something, you are dead.
Alaska is far better, but the cost is higher. The cost of bush flights in the Brooks Range is now insanely expensive.
Here is a funny picture. I was about half way through the second leg of a loop hike across ANWR. As it warmed up, I had to take a knife to a set of capilene. Not much of a tailor...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 15, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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I can have an adventure anywhere. To me adventure means discovery. My own personal discovery. Something I've never seen or thought or whatever.. searching and finding something new to me is adventure.
The term "an Adventure" conjures up something more.. off the beaten path with risk involved. Stuff like Base104 just mentioned.
then there is "Epic" or "to Epic" Which means things went seriously wrong and someone got hurt or worse. At the very least it involves an unplanned undergeared bivouac and real suffering. This term is overused by people who got wet or lost a shoe or missed dinner ....
Never had an EPIC. I've gotten a bit closer to an EPIC than I'd like a few times.. but never quite went over the edge into full EPIC. Don't want to and actively avoid them with so far a bit of luck and a hell of a lot of constant and purposely avoiding them.
Is an EPIC a failure? Hmm..Usually I would say yes... but occaisionally it is the price some are willing to pay for a summit or other tough objective and they pay it willingly and pull it off. Now that..is an EPIC ADVENTURE
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO
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Nov 17, 2014 - 04:48pm PT
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Donini opines that "Womankind is the last (and enduring) great adventure left to mankind."
If so, then Chouinard's definition is wrong: things don't have to go wrong to be adventuresome with women. Embarking on the journey is itself a high risk adventure. Especially since all of us who have once "loved and lost" already know the risks and dangers - and yet we proceed anyway to try again! (And this wisdom is well captured in Dr. Johnson's famous quip when learning one of his friends who had "loved and lost" was voluntarily getting married again. He called any such second go around "The triumph of hope over experience.")
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 17, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
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Herpies dude.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Nov 17, 2014 - 07:40pm PT
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Back before the big oil spill I thought it might be fun to explore Prince William Sound. So me and Cindy and two small boys took an 18' square-stern canoe with a 7.5 Merc and explored the seacoast from Valdez to Whittier and back. Lovely trip, kids loved it (and love it still) in spite of some incredibly foul weather on occasion.
At the time I thought it was a canoe-camping trip. Looking back I suspect it ought to have been an adventure. Certainly, some of the fishing boat captains we passed on some substantial swells looked at us as though it was a suicidal adventure. And a lot of people would still blanch at the very idea.
I suspect adventure is - like beauty - in the eye of the beholder. And the perception of the beholder changes with time.
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Kili Climber
Mountain climber
Arusha
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Nov 18, 2014 - 05:52am PT
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Adventure Kilimanjaro trekking is adventure of lifetime. Climbing Mount Kilimanjaro is peak season during December and January, tourists are invited to reserve places now.
People can join groups to have fun climbing Kilimanjaro trips. From December 10 to 28 December Machame route group is available trekking Kilimanjaro.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 06:31am PT
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^^^Sounds good, but I'm still holding out for Yoga in Croatia.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2014 - 07:05am PT
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Get off of my thread with that bullshit about Kilimanjaro!
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dhayan
climber
los angeles, ca
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:16am PT
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wow that's pretty funny
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:21am PT
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Adventure spam
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MH2
climber
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:52am PT
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Curmudgeonly elitists.
Haha.
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RandyHill
Trad climber
APPLE VALLEY
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:56am PT
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Adventure requires an uncertain outcome.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:22am PT
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Adventure is where you find it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2014 - 08:28am PT
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Adventure finds you.
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SeaToSky
Mountain climber
Vancouver, BC
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:54am PT
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Could it also be that adventure is a state of mind....not an activity?
It could be a way of looking at a task without requiring it to have a predetermined outcome.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:05am PT
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"adventurism," a pejorative term occasionally used to describe our doings in the middle east, still connotes as much cynicism as ever
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:12am PT
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Adventure finds you.
Nah, if you are competent, you usually have a good idea of what you are getting yourself into. If the outcome is in doubt, it is a AAA adventure.
If you can easily die, it is a AAAA adventure.
Doing El Cap for the first time feels like a AAA adventure, even if bailing is easy.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:16am PT
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if somebody took me spelunking for a few days, I would feel like going on an adventure since I've never done it before
Sure man, anytime. Not the same level as climbing but adventurous nonetheless. It's normal to get lost and not know which way is out. The main thing, though, is to finish your cave trip before the headlamp batteries go out.
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The Call Of K2 Lou
Mountain climber
North Shore, BC
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:19am PT
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Bring a headlamp in the first place.
Go somewhere, or do something outside of your comfort level. Adventure will be there.
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E Robinson
climber
Salinas, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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Adventure is still to be had...it's in the unknown,the unheralded, and the obscure. Hard stuff that nobody really understands or wants to repeat. Going out for wildness in complex weather or through brush or through choss. Going out alone. But...never too scared or with regrets. And commercialization just cheapens it all .
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
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Walking down the wrong street in Chicago can be a real adventure, things can go horribly wrong! An adventure of a different sort is often encountered by the elderly just trying to have a POOP, it can take them out of their comfort zone to say the least. Peace and f-nes from the dlfa
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
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OK! My apologies if someone else brought this up along the way, but adventure involves:
No Communication with the rest of the world.
I am distressed to see all you youngsters thinking that your phone will save you if anything goes truly wrong. Of course, the next step is: depending on your SAT phone, or PLB to save your lost and/or injured ass.
True adventure involves taking risks off the grid, with no hope of immediate rescue.
It was normal in the last century.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:41am PT
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I've been loathe to contribute to this thread as it is obvious that there are many views on what "adventure" is and as usual for an American dominated forum there is no way of moving people off of their "right to an opinion."
But reading the NYTimes this morning I came across this interesting article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/nyregion/judge-keeps-felony-charges-in-trade-tower-jump.html
James Brady, Marko Markovich, and Andrew Rossig and the lookout Kyle Hartwell are seeking to have their charges reduced... basically arguing that they had things so wired that there was no risk to the public, or to property, in their jump.
The video was linked in the STForum: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2371561
[Click to View YouTube Video]
'...Mr. Rossig’s lawyer, Timothy Parlatore, said the men would call sky diving experts who would testify the jumps were done safely. Mr. Parlatore said of the defendants, “They implemented as many safety precautions as they could.”
Justice Solomon disagreed. “Given all of the unpredictable variables attendant with this type of behavior,” he said, “the fact that no one was actually injured or that property was not actually damaged is remarkably fortunate. Certainly it goes without saying that the situation could have turned out much differently.” '
Was it an adventure or not an adventure?
The jumpers argue that there was minimal or no risk of the outcome. It sounds to me like the judge knows better on this one.
Here the argument is not just the blathering of a bunch of STForum wonks...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:23am PT
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I can't see trespass and jumping as felonies, but obviously the judge wants to send a message.
Look at how many violent felons plead down to misdemeanors.
Fritz,
it was far more common in the 17th through the 19th centuries, truly the age of exploration.
But one also risked being thought a fraud like Laird Bruce who brought back stories from Abysinia that were so incredible that he wasn't vindicated until after his death.
A Go-Pro sure would have helped.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:36am PT
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of course if you happened to have been walking on a sidewalk and got hit by a falling BASE jumper whose 'chute failed to open in time (public endangerment), you wouldn't have had any say in the matter...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:01am PT
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Those retards Ed cites, pun intended, don't realize that judges don't take
kindly to being told how to interpret the law and they especially don't
cotton to the unrepentant.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:02am PT
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For once I agree with old Bruce k. If you have young kids tone it down a bit-the responsible course, of course.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:02am PT
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Joe Beaumont - In The Frame - Little Chamonix
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Putting the adventure back into climbing when you have become a different climber... What am I doing? (culture) Who am I? (identity) Who am I seen as? (reputation)
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
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Check out http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/02/opinion/Sunday/a-natural-fix-for-ADHD.html?_r=0 if you haven't already done so. Maybe our brains have evolved for an environment that no longer exists, and it makes sense that people are trying to adapt our brains to the environment that does exist? But no! The right thing to do is to satisfy our thirst for adventure, or if you find that your brain doesn't have enough thirst for adventure, there's something wrong with you - you're not trying hard enough! Just look at our friends and heroes at supertopo - all the right people say so - it must be true. I'm always impressed by how good we humans are at confirmation bias, regardless of what exactly it is that we believe.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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for the connection of our physical activities with brain chemistry, you might check out Doug's provocative ideas in his book...The Alchemy of Action
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 01:41pm PT
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Adventure takes place once the outcome is unknown.
+1 Doug's book
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
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"Adventure takes place once the outcome is unknown"
"Adventure begins when things start going wrong"
Adventure finds you
One thing these ideas have in common is the uncertainty principle of adventure.
Adventure can come in many guises
but one thing for sure
it isn't scripted
it doesn't come in a can
and it doesn't come with a label.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 02:20pm PT
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Utterly scripted (and the opening sequence involves a fight scene on rappel, ooh la la. Haven't watched beyond that, so proceed at your own risk):
[Click to View YouTube Video]
In my opinion, adventure needn't involve anything necessarily going wrong, but simply an element of the unknown. To me, that is the principal ingredient. Hazard and perhaps a little excitement don't hurt either.
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crřtch
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
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Got this advertisement for a scale in my email today and thought of this thread.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
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If you want to read some remarkable adventure writing, Google 'Kate Harris blog' and read her essay "Contours of Cold". Absolutely the best outdoor writing I've ever read.
What a delight to know this adventurer.
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aguacaliente
climber
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Nov 21, 2014 - 12:31am PT
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"Quarks, kooks,
Heretics, lunatics,
Lovers and defilers of God,
Set off in leaky vessels
Towards the holes on the horizon ..."
 opening lines of "The Voyage" by Philip Glass and D.H. Hwang, sung by a Hawking-like scientist figure
Adventure doesn't have to be synonymous with physical danger, less so high risk. Seeking to understand the unknown can itself be an adventure. And minimizing risk is good planning.
I do sympathize with donini's point that you gotta make your own adventure and not buy it fully packaged.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 21, 2014 - 01:24am PT
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NED LIKED HIS SLED
Ned had a yen for adventure,
He planned them the best way he knew.
It was not 'Mother Nature' that got him,
He was shot in his tent through and through.
A ski traverse with sleds of the Brooks Range with Fossil Climber and one other, whose name escapes me, back in 1972, was Ned Gillette's first major adventure, unless skiing in the Winter Olympics qualifies as such.
http://publications.americanalpineclub.org/articles/12199947100/Ned-Gillette-1945-1998
From this link--
He defined his outlook in a piece called “The Meaning of Life,” in which he said, “If life is to have any meaning, it’s essential to carve out your own niche, to become special. Special things happen to special people. Climbing, skiing, and ocean voyages to remote comers of the world are often so gnarly and so scary that you wish you’d never left home. But eventually the sun shines again. You must be an optimist.”
Here's another link to the TRULY adventurous ventures that Ned's activities helped spawn.
http://everestbookreport.blogspot.com/2010/12/everest-grand-cirlce-by-gillette-and.html
HAVE FUN AT YOUR OWN RISK.
"But who's gonna pay for all this shiv, Ned?"
"THE NORTH FACE. Oh, and Clif Bars."
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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Nov 21, 2014 - 08:56am PT
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^ sad story about Ned. When I travel in the third world, people are always afraid to go to remote areas for this reason. One of my friends in NYC once told me she thought it was dangerous to go out in the woods, since criminals might be hiding there. It sounds ridiculous but in many parts of the world it's true. In Colombia, if the guerrillas thought you were spies looking for their camp, they might kidnap you or kill you no questions asked. There would be no way to defend yourself no matter how you were armed. That's why you always need guides who are known to those kinds of groups.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2014 - 09:03am PT
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Funny....it's been my experience when you travel that the remote regions are safest.
The Karakorum is far safer than the cities in Pakistan, even with the anomaly of the Nanga Parbat incident.
Nairobi is by far the most dangerous part of Kenya and i certainly feel much safer in the mountains of Peru than i do in Lima.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 21, 2014 - 09:48am PT
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Could it also be that adventure is a state of mind....not an activity?
Bingo!
For the win!
Woot!
Hoo Yah!
I've had adventures in a track vehicle in the remote Brooks Range.
I've had adventures in a canoe on the Susitna River.
I've had adventures playing in the woods with my kids.
I've had adventures in downtown Manila.
I've had adventures on El Cap.
No one will ever convince me that my life isn't an adventure. It has nothing to do with advertisers, or YOUR definition.
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chappy
Social climber
ventura
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Nov 21, 2014 - 09:49am PT
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Jim, It seems some of those businesses you mention just want to keep the Ad in adventure.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 21, 2014 - 09:50am PT
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Survival:
... and then, and then... keep on, keep on... What about ST ^^^^
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Nov 21, 2014 - 10:57am PT
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You want adventure? Visit a Canadian Rockies North Face.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 21, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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Tell us a story, Survival! ;)
I'm sorry bro, that is beyond the security clearance of this site, at least for the moment. Let me think on it for a bit. I hate to besmirch the good name of Filipino gang bangers, prostitutes and cab drivers all in one swoop.
Maybe I will tell a sanitized version?
Hmmmmm....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 21, 2014 - 11:35am PT
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So what actually "happened" on the jump Karina was hurt on?
The film is great, but describes nothing at all about the crux of the biscuit.
Edit: DMT, it was barely a knife fight at all. They showed their knives, I showed mine, they backed down just enough for me to get into the cab thief's car with the prostitute.
A real adventure? Well, the outcome was uncertain. So by that definition, it qualifies.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 21, 2014 - 11:50am PT
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Chuckling that donini's thread got spammed by a trekking company.
Klassik!!!
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 21, 2014 - 12:37pm PT
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I must disagree with those who think that the WTC jumpers were placing others at risk.
On down low building jumps, you do things on the extreme down low. I've stood on the exit with my pilot chute in hand watching for pedestrians and traffic for minutes, many times. You can see people walking on the sidewalk, even at that height. The notion that you are gonna bounce onto them is typical criticism from people who don't understand procedures. Jumpers wait for them to leave before exiting.
If you bring attention to it, that is considered bad. People have had their asses kicked for screwing up certain objects.
The best building jumps are the tall ones. You almost always have to do them when under construction, because roof access is easy. It all gets locked down when the building is finished.
As far back as 1985, there was a big building in Houston that was going up. To do it, you checked in with the locals, and they would take you along. They were all at 2:00am when the streets were deserted, and nobody was ever even seen. If they had caught on that it was getting jumped 2 or 3 nights per week, security would have been upped.
Anyway, it was the first building to get jumped 100 times, showing that the developing ethics worked. Nobody ever got hurt.
I remember when the Library Tower, the highest building in L.A. was going up. It got jumped nigh every night after the structure reached 40 or 50 stories. You might jump out of your getaway car with your rig, and then notice 5 jumpers taking off while you watched. The L.A. cops would hang out and watch as well. Lord knows how many jumps that sucker saw.
Anyway, it doesn't take long from exit to landing, and if you make sure no traffic is coming, it is normally no big deal.
Fun times. Great friends. The scene was almost exactly like climbing back then other than the physical fitness part. Everyone who was anyone in the whole world knew each other back then. It is now much larger, but I watched those guys' video, and they did it safely.
I'm sure many of you won't get this, but BASE, at least back then, was similar to climbing. There were hard rules. We weren't worried about hitting a pedestrian. We were worried that we would be SEEN. So if there was a street person wandering around, we would wait, for long periods, for it to be all clear. Then bang, bang, bang, everone goes in a single minute.
The really choice buildings had to be protected. If you dayblazed it, it would get shut down and no more fun. And really big buildings are kinda rare.
Nowadays there are the huge BASE events in downtown Kuala Lumper. There are hundreds of legal jumps, and bystanders are at zero risk.
In the U.S., it is different from other countries. The laws are there to prevent you from risking your own bones here, while in other countries you are quite free to risk your own life. While the trespass charge was always waiting if we got caught, we accepted it.
These guys knew what would happen if they got caught, but the way that they actually did the jump did not put anyone on the ground at risk.
You are wrong, Ed.
Out of all of the urban jumps, even the ones which went bad, I can't recall any bystander being hurt. At the most, they are surprised. Very surprised.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 23, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
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Jimmy Buffett from A Salty Piece of Land, Back Bay Books, 2004.
"So many people live such dull, predictable lives these days that the real adventurers are becoming a thing of the past--
but their stories are like channel markers for the stormy waters of the future."
As usual, a fine novel from JB.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 23, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
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wrong? perhaps I overstated it...
but are you saying that the risk decreases with every jump? no one got hurt this time, so the probability of someone getting hurt is smaller...
that's the same logic the NASA managers used to justify launching the Challenger...
there is an inherent risk to jumping... and the risk is not just to the jumper, but to the people standing in the landing zone... (or fall zone).
Those people do not choose to engage in that risk, the jumpers assume the risk for themselves and the people (and property) in the fall zone.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Nov 24, 2014 - 12:38am PT
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Good judgement comes from experience.
Experience comes from lack of judgement.
Adventure fits in there somewhere...
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 24, 2014 - 05:42am PT
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Life is it's own adventure.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 30, 2014 - 08:08pm PT
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Sanitized for your projection
then what?
direction...
complexion...
erection!
Lots of fun for the whole family.[Click to View YouTube Video]Check out the footgear on the tourists.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Nov 30, 2014 - 09:36pm PT
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There are intellectual adventures. Just sayin'
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 30, 2014 - 09:41pm PT
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So, what is the Greatest Adventure?
Any thoughts?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Nov 30, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 30, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
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"adventure only begins when things start going wrong" I respectfully disagree.
Adventure begins when your plans spontaneously change - whether the change is intention or unintentional.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 30, 2014 - 11:53pm PT
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Adventure begins when you Let spontaneous change happen and you are present enough to respond.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure begins by letting George Carlin in the place.
Whether the change is intentional or unintentional, spontaneous change falls into the crease between the cushion and the back of the couch, as the master can tell you, and it so happens that you are maybe not in the present enough to respond to changes, unless you are in the past like Bill & Ted, or in the future like McFly.
Or in Oz, like Dorothy and Toto.
Or in Middle Earth.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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I will say it in 2 words. Adventure = breaking routines, however you get on an uncharted routine they become your outcome making end or your abandonment to go back to the known.
Sorry folks I was not around to entertain myself with the ST routines I am in like now.
And so would anyone like to break the routine of paying attention [to details] to have an adventure? Go to Sleep.
adventure is showing up everyday.
perhaps adventure for some can be trying to create a routine. ??
For the outdoor 10 commandments: Do not covet thy neighbor's adventure nor puh puh it for elevating your perceived status. Who gives a F for what others do and pay for adventure??
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Not having read the whole thread, since well, it's supertopo in the modern age....
A perfectly good word that has been hopelessly overused by practically everyone.
Adventure is not scripted. Yvon Chouinard had a great definition...."adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
Sorry....
You didn't have an adventure climb because you waded thru poison ivy to do six pitches of trad.
You didn't have "adventure" on a run with aid stations and a prescribed course, however long.
That via ferrata above Telluride where you overtipped your guide was fun but hardly an adventure.
Life is full of adventure.....the real ones are lurking, you can't buy them.
I have to say... HORSESH#T
Adventure is an undetermined outcome. And adventure is subjective, not objective. The above smacks of elitist self promotion.
To equate adventure with something going wrong is just piss poor reasoning and doesn't jive with experience.
Death is something wrong. Is it still adventure when someone dies. Of course not.
A grom heading up on a 5.6 rated climb, with little or no protection available can/is full of adventure.
A non experienced person doing a via ferrata, guided or not, and getting exposure and air under their feet doesn't know the outcome. Their inexperience is primary to their sense of adventure.
I'm highly allergic to Poison Oak, would my ascent of Castle Rock Spire's approach be invalid?
Fuk no.
and if just posting to be provocative, then disregard.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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That is great NutAgain!
lol
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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No, respectfully, you're quite wrong.
MFM
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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No I'm not.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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R2.
But, hey, routine sucks, don't it? Mostly?
An exceptionally tropical low pressure system has taken charge here today.
We present here for your amusement
Adventures in debate:
Rule number one is if you can't rule, then rile.
Magic word for today: a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning is a [fill in blank with your word choice]
You're host, Horst Bugholds.Peeping Tom's excellent rooftop adventure proved stimulating and edifying.
Then he took a nap. He'd been up all night.A pussy petant? Or a trench fighter? You decide.
Next episode: How to avoid Paine in arguments about climbing.
Adventure which lacks fun is only a waking nightmare.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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I am with Munge on this one. Adventure is as subjective as defining hard climbing, quality protection placements, good hand holds, sketchy, safe, etc etc. Definition of adventure, hard climbing, safe, sketchy etc changed quite a bit for me since I went up my first mountain. I believe it is no different for other people. I remember those sleepless nights before doing some 3rd class scramble in the Sierra. Appreciate every one of them.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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May I suggest a new adventure rating guide to be added to difficulty and commitment ratings:
ADV0 = sleeping peacefully with no memorable dream state.
ADV1
ADV2
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ADV infinite = experiencing death
It will be open-ended, and very subjective.
Argue about it.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 17, 2015 - 04:12pm PT
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Adventure is not scripted.--donini
Say that again.
[Click to View YouTube Video]Caribbean Adventure for a hot summer's day--with appropriate observations about our subject.
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