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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 13, 2014 - 08:21am PT
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A perfectly good word that has been hopelessly overused by practically everyone.
Adventure is not scripted. Yvon Chouinard had a great definition...."adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
Sorry....
You didn't have an adventure climb because you waded thru poison ivy to do six pitches of trad.
You didn't have "adventure" on a run with aid stations and a prescribed course, however long.
That via ferrata above Telluride where you overtipped your guide was fun but hardly an adventure.
Life is full of adventure.....the real ones are lurking, you can't buy them.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:23am PT
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Overtipped your guide?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2014 - 08:25am PT
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You....not me. Oops, forgot, you are a guide.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:30am PT
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adventure only begins when things start going wrong
Yes!!!! Absolutely!!!
The day one is born is the day when everything has started going wrong.
The living entity does not belong in the material world ....
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:33am PT
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Adventure is not scripted. Yvon Chouinard had a great definition...."adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
I don't necessarily agree but I haven't had the frequency of adventure in my life he has.
Speaking of overused words.. Epic. An epic begins when things go wrong. In my book an adventure doesn't always need things to go wrong, you just have be out of your comfort zone, mentally and physically.
maybe -> You didn't have an adventure climb because you waded thru poison ivy to do six pitches of trad.
hell no -> You didn't have "adventure" on a run with aid stations and a prescribed course however long.
Unless you are from Houston! -> That via ferrata above Telluride where you overtipped your guide was fun but hardly an adventure.
Damn straight -> Life is full of adventure.....the real ones are lurking, you can't buy them.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:35am PT
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^^^ Cragar, seems we're nearly on the same page. (HAHA) I don't know what coffee you're drinking, but I'm drinking Folgers and smoking some bunk weed. (It was free, WTF.)
Smoke weed every day and life is an adventure, right The Larry?
BooDawg and I had an adventure, but it was no epic, in hindsight. I knew and he knew we'd get help. Everything was fine, we knew what to do, little in the way of decision-making that would imperil us if we were wrong.
Adventure requires a degree of insecurity and doubt and anticipation.
An epic seems usually to result from too much unplanned sh!t happening during an adventure, like Yvon say, and Oprah would agree, I'm sure, which seals the deal.*
Is an epic an adventure? Of course. But is every adventure an epic? You be the judge.
Nice to see you got up on the right side of the bed today, Jimbo. I guess you got a good night's sleep after "experiencing" the pangs of ennui and lack of interest in the front page here. I mean that. Seriously. You should watch more of Oprah. :0)
One way to have adventure, nearly guaranteed, is to go "out there" on your own hook, nobody helping to shuttle loads, maybe nobody as a partner, you need to be inventive.
*The unexpected, that's adventure. Like when an old sling parts as you begin a rappel, for example. Or when Ophrah brings out a surprise guest. It makes the whole thing lots more memorable.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:48am PT
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Crager's views are similar to mine. Yvon's "definition" is hardly definative, but to each their own. But, isn't that the point? Adventure is very much relative. For some, perhaps, if everything goes right there is insufficient excitement or unexpectedness for there to be adventure.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2014 - 08:57am PT
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Not looking for a definitive definition. Just pointing out that the word has been used by companies marketing departments to the point where it has lost it's real meaning.
In your case perhaps adventure begins when things start getting.....sketchy.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:01am PT
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Adventure is in the eye of the beholder. So sayeth Survival, so it is. Amen.
Me thinks your definition is too narrow Jim. Good ol' Merriam sez it thus:
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a : an undertaking usually involving danger and unknown risks
b : the encountering of risks <the spirit of adventure>
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: an exciting or remarkable experience <an adventure in exotic dining>
My young son certainly had an adventure on Tenaya Peak. Very little went wrong, except getting caught behind a slow party near the top, and doing some descending in the dark.
My son, who has actually done quite a number of difficult outdoor things, faced a long day, his first time on that many roped pitches, physical challenges, exposure, a bit of temperature, joy, fear, fatigue, darkness and more.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:12am PT
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adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
Well then, life past 60 is an adventure.
At least mine.
Susan
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:13am PT
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Adventure starts when the things get out of control.
Yes.
Tell me one person who is control?
Not one person.
Otherwise one would never die .......
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:15am PT
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"adventure only begins when things start going wrong."
That sounds more like the definition of an epic. An adventure to me is when you don't know what's going to happen next.....life itself is an adventure.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:18am PT
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Life is an adventure from day one, especially if you venture from the comfort zone of the known.
There are many degrees/levels of adventure dependent on ones expertise, conditioning, age, and relative objective hazards. While often depicted as heroic, adventure beyond ones ability to somewhat control the outcome is not a neccessity for spiritual well being.
Take my old freind Bob and my adventure from yesterday for example. Combined age of 122 years and both with a multi decade abscense from the sport to pursue more mundane, but rewarding aspects of life. We drove 2.5 hours out into the NV hinterlands, parked in 36 degree temperature under cloudy skies and wind, then hiked up a rock lined canyon and cliff strewn hillside for a few miles , 1500 feet elevation gain and 50 minutes to our previously unclimbed ( now has three quality trad climbs) secret Dome of the Rock area. We launched up a route we had backed off from the previous April in unsettled weather. The architecture of the rock prevented view of the upper two thirds of the route so their was the unknown if the route would go with our meager abilities and no leader fall ethic. We took the easier turn at two locations, avoiding a mega classic long 5.10 splitter at one point, to emerge spitits renewed aftet two new pitches of unknown at the top. Still lots of adventure there before we have to turn it over to the more adept.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:24am PT
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I think Depends should sponsor climbers.
"The Adverture begins when sh#t happens."
Or
"Sh#t your pants, have an adventure."
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:28am PT
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"The Adventure begins when sh#t happens."
Oh bullsh!t!
The whole world sh!ts every morning .......
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:29am PT
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"Execute them."[Click to View YouTube Video]"Bogus!"
Bogus adventure? Hmmm...interesting, but mundane.
Sobek. Blame them.
YMS. Blame them.
That is, if anything is really wrong with the 'adventure' they all sell.
"You simply need more notes, Mozart."
"But there are just the correct number of notes, Your Majesty."
WE OBVIOUSLy NEED MORE WORDS.
And Locker, old bud-smoker, it's "top bunk." I'm glad I have it, too. It was grown lovingly in Mariposa County by an ex-con who was on an adventure. Okay?
I really enjoyed the hell out of Mozart in the music store.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:45am PT
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I think this is a Donini cry for help.
Having done so many mind-boggling awesome things in his life, he faces a problem that most of us don't have. He will have to learn to be satisfied with accomplishments that don't match up to his vision of what is possible, when age eventually catches up with him.
The nugget of wisdom is this: Adventure is relative.
If you push your personal boundaries, go for something that you think is just a bit beyond you, strive for more than what you are or can do or have in your life at that time, that is an adventure.
Learning to accept vicarious pleasure from Supertopo trip reports is an adventure when you are accustomed to being on the sharp end.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:53am PT
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Isn't crapping your pants called having an "accident"? If that is the definition of having an adventure, then both my kids had hundereds of adventures before they were potty trained.
For me right now, and this is what got me onto this forum, spending a week and going climbing in the WInds is my idea of a good potential adventure. Plenty there out of my control so who knows what will happen. For Donini, this would just be another day at the office. What constitutes an adventure is relative. Today my body feels like it got hit by a bus, so just getting out of bed and to work was an adventure or sorts.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 13, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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Moose, are you agreeing with Scott about donini's putative cry for help or that the nugget of wisdom is correct?
I'm looking forward to some excellent adventure this coming year with you, amigo.
It's raining like it really means it here, how about there?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 13, 2014 - 10:01am PT
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Sure the word is overused but...
All the respect in the world Donini but your post is elitist, curmudgeonly bullshˇt.
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