San Gabriel Mountains National Monument?

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Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Sep 4, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
Perhaps mountain biking access will not be impacted?

http://corbamtb.com/news/2014/09/03/presidents-message-a-national-monument/
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 4, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
If you believe not,

I have a bridge for sale.

It will also impact the SGRT.

What kind of idiot would want to make a National Monument out of a water spreading ground with a rubber dam every couple of miles, LACO San's headquarters and a sewage treatment plant?

Grievous Angel

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 8, 2014 - 12:00pm PT
Looks like we'll have an opportunity to see what changes, if any, will go down.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-obama-san-gabriel-national-monument-20141008-story.html
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Oct 8, 2014 - 12:18pm PT
from that LA Times article:

Daniel Rossman, a spokesman for San Gabriel Mountains Forever, said such concerns were unfounded.
The designation will not infringe on existing rights, Rossman said. It will open up new recreational opportunities without sacrificing the natural beauty of the San Gabriel Mountains.


Sounds like an outright lie.
What new opportunities?


Also a question on the Baldy ski area, which has a permit for a lift down the north side, as they have been showing as proposed expansion for decades now. They have never built it due to lack of funds, lack of snow on chair 4 needed for access, and typical avy danger. You can skin it now all you want anyway. But at times in the past (such as 1998) they ran a bus around to Lytle canyon or a truck down the 4wd road down the north side of the notch. What does the new monument do to options like that?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 8, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
Typical bureaucratic double-speak. Let's see, the Forest Service made a hash
of it so now the gubmint will turn it over to another bunch of bureaucratic
buffoons to see how big a mess of it they can make. Nothing like job security!
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Oct 8, 2014 - 12:44pm PT
I can't say that I'm in favor of the designation. I still get mad when I see the "preservation" that's happened at Josh since it became a NP. Still, I don't see lots of room for infringement. Examples like this:
Also a question on the Baldy ski area, which has a permit for a lift down the north side, as they have been showing as proposed expansion for decades now. They have never built it due to lack of funds, lack of snow on chair 4 needed for access, and typical avy danger. You can skin it now all you want anyway. But at times in the past (such as 1998) they ran a bus around to Lytle canyon or a truck down the 4wd road down the north side of the notch. What does the new monument do to options like that?

Presuming they get enough snow/interest/money to do this, I don't see events that happen every 26 years (if that much) being something of big concern. I guess I'm in the wait and see camp.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Oct 8, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
Ken,

...This is what happened with the Giant Sequoia National Monument and the Sequoia National Forest.

What GNSM did is limit logging. Good thing, they were clear-cutting, even next to the Needles trail-head camping, and helicoptering big trees out from the base of Dome Rock. We don't need NPS to police that.

Beyond that GSNM is a great recreational resource; Mt biking, snowmobiling, rock climbing, including open camping-think Needles trail-head, hunting, all activities that NPS would restrict or eliminate. How many dirt roads do you think NPS would gate up and close? 21So5?

Take hunting for example. It grosses me out to see pickup trucks driving around with the shooter in the back hoping to see a deer, but the fact is that these idiots never get a deer anyway, and the practice is illegal. The USFS could use a few bucks to enforce this, so would the NPS. These woods are over-run with deer, only more so in the future. Legitimate hunting is a time honored activity.

Its a sure thing that NPS would institute falcon closures at the Needles despite the fact that such closures are entirely unnecessary, since the falcons (which are thriving there,) live and nest in aeries where climbers never go.

Anyway this change of management is not going to happen. Rep Sam Farr of Santa Cruz has been pushing it for years to satisfy his donors that he is an environmentalist, (he doesn't actually care about the outcome, its all posing,) but the NPS has responded, basically saying "what, are you nuts? We don't have the money to deal with what we are in charge of now, we don't want it."

In all respects GSNM is doing okay under USFS management.

rmuir

Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Oct 8, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
Man. Next, you guys will start complaining about iOS 8.0.2!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 8, 2014 - 05:22pm PT
We only complain about things that don't work.
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Oct 8, 2014 - 09:10pm PT
USFS
the "forest circus"
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Oct 10, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
Obama officially designates San Gabriel Mountains a national monument:
http://www.latimes.com/science/la-me-obama-monument-20141011-story.html

Last lines of the article:
"With this designation," she said, "the hard part is over. Now we need to get more signs, trails and rangers up there."

Earlier in the article:
"Right now, campgrounds are crowded, parking lots are tight, and there haven't been enough resources to manage and maintain this area the way it deserves," he said. "So designating the San Gabriel Mountains as a national monument is just the first step toward a broader effort to change that."

Last time I was up there a month or two ago, our car was the only one in the parking lot at Islip Saddle.
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