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Grievous Angel

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 27, 2014 - 09:34am PT
Obama weighs national monument status for San Gabriel Mountains

http://ktla.com/2014/08/26/obama-weighs-national-monument-status-for-san-gabriel-mountains-plan-would-address-crowding-pollution/

Discuss.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Kind of a joke but if it would get it out of the hands of the USFS then it
might be a good thing if it means somebody might actually clean some of the
crappers once in a while. But I doubt it.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 27, 2014 - 09:51am PT
Sounds good to me.

DMT
PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
Aug 27, 2014 - 09:57am PT
Having grown up in them there hills, I want the best for those mountains. We had lots of adventures there (just ask Keith Leaman).
One hour drive for 10 million people? Heaven help them hills!
Barbarian

climber
Aug 27, 2014 - 10:06am PT
Would the new masters manage to keep the place open? USFS has always had one excuse or another to close areas and cut services. Somehow I can't see that changing underfunded government would result in improved access or services.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 27, 2014 - 10:09am PT
Unfortunately, the USFS would still be the agency.

This is what happened with the Giant Sequoia National Monument and the Sequoia National Forest. The Forest got no extra money to run the monument.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 10:11am PT
It could still remain a national monument but be administered by the Forest Service, just like the Giant Sequoia N.M., where the Needles are.

One problem with the NPS running the place is likely more restrictive use: no hunting (no problem there for me), but possibly no mt. biking or other quasi-commerical activity like some of the ultras they have occasionally. Not really sure what's to gain from it becoming part of the park service other than possible more infrastructure and pavement to help the visitors "enjoy" the place better, just like Josh.
Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Aug 27, 2014 - 10:33am PT
Fat Dad hit the nail on the head. It will be like JT going from The Monument to JTNP.

More touron signs saying "this is a tree", more restrictions and more LEO's.

Roots

Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 11:45am PT
I want to continue bringing my dog there...for F's sake there isn't much special there to make it 'almost' an NP.

Stop the nonsense.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 27, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
This is all about an idiot politard (Judy Chu) wanting a legacy.

it's about the dumbest waste of resources I've ever heard of!

Then there's the water issue.

1/3 of the SGV water supply comes down that canyon. The entire drainage was developed a little less than a century ago with that and flood control in mind.

Once the feds see a Chartreuse Beaked Tit Pecker behind Morris Dam, there goes your water bill!
dirtbag

climber
Aug 27, 2014 - 01:21pm PT
If TGT hates it then it must be a great idea.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 27, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
Well, the additional fees and smokey hats will keep the illegal immigrant riff raff out of the forest and could solve the littering problem.

No more dirty diapers and Tecate cans in the river and smokeys chasing the homeless trolls out from their camps under the bridges would be an improvement.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Aug 27, 2014 - 03:04pm PT
"This is all about an idiot politard (Judy Chu) wanting a legacy."

That is the same as I heard directly from an ANF official.

Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
out in front
Aug 27, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
LAs saving grace, its only sh*t within a half mile of the parking. Away from the minivans its awesome to have so close to downtown. My desk view used to look towards them, used to love seeing the snow in winter

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 27, 2014 - 07:44pm PT
"This is all about an idiot politard (Judy Chu) wanting a legacy."

That is the same as I heard directly from an ANF official.

I guess that explains why Republican Buck McKeon has also been interested in this proposal. McKeon introduced bills creating two new wilderness areas in the San Gabriels before.

I've been hearing rumblings about this for years. I think the Times and KTLA has this wrong. The bill is to create a National Recreation Area, not a monument.
https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4858/text
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:08am PT
This is no good.

Congress fails to adequately fund NF

Forest Service fails to spend money it does have intelligently.

Adventure Pass invented to make up short coming (and slow down visitors).

Adventure Pass fails because it's not legal (and just wrong)

Solution: Change to National Monument and charge fee's to enter since it's under the Park Service.


A better solution is to adequately fund the Forest Service.

Finance the division of the Forest Service that promote training and enlightenment of public lands users so they know how to act on public lands. (Yes this would work.)

Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:37am PT
Spider, there are no fees to enter the Giant Sequoia NM.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:54am PT
Chu is trying to end run Congress, (which has stopped this so far) and get Barry to declare it a National Monument.

Totally ridiculous!

That's something that can be done by the executive directly. A National Recreation area, (while still a waste of time and resources is a bit less ridiculous) would require action by Congress.

Both would require funding from Congress to be effective which is highly unlikely anytime soon.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 28, 2014 - 08:20am PT
I'll bet that the cost of switching to a Federal Recreation Area would fund
it as it already is for quite a while. Then they will have to change and add
a bunch of new signs and move a bunch of people around and buy a bunch of new
trucks and the crappers will stay filthy, the switchback-cutters will go on
cutting switchbacks, guys with unleashed Pit Bulls will still do so (like we
saw there Sunday, along with many others), the Mexicans will still trash the
place every holiday because to crack down on them would be so insensitive,
and the bureaucrats will still sit on their fat asses in their cushy offices
counting down their weeks to their cushy retirements.
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
out in front
Aug 28, 2014 - 09:46am PT
Don't be so down on pitbulls Riley.
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