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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
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More than cowardly, suicide is utterly selfish. The only one's who suffer are those left behind.
Williams legacy is now tainted, as choosing to not deal with life's problems only instills in those that admired him (especially young people)who may have similar battles, the thought that this may be an option for them.
My heart goes out to his family and friends. I pray they may find peace in spite of such brutality being inflicted on them.
Of course, Cragman, you are referring to the brutality of the comments that you have inflicted upon them. Not only do they have to endure his loss, but also your allegations of cowardice and selfishness.
I'm sure your words are comforting.
In addition, to anyone profoundly depressed, contemplating suicide, your notation that they are fundamentally a cowardly, selfish person is undoubtedly character-building to them, and contributes to their stability.
And then there is the issue of attacking the character of a person on the day that they die....when they cannot defend themselves.
Makes you wonder who is cowardly......
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
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Well said Ken.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
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everyone knows that
the emotional
bully harbors
immense insecurity.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
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Wow. Been there buddy, I understand why you did it. RIP Robin.
Michelle gets it
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
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I didn't know that ...but then i'm nobody...made of nothing...unworthy...
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brett
climber
oregon
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:48pm PT
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Moscow on the Hudson was a really good one too.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
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Wow...Gotta say there Crag,sounded quite insensetive. When people die in car accidents do you respond with "ahh,the guy was a sh!tty driver anyway??"
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
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So sad, I am as hairy as he was, each year I always have a couple of students tell me I look like him. RIP
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
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I'm laying on the couch nursing a bad head cold as Timid reads me all the posts. .........neebee, scrubbing bubbles, anastasia and ken m; thank you for your posts......
Shame on you, Cragman.
*Really sad. Rest in Peace, Robin**
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
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Dean, I've gained a lot of respect for your generosity and human idealism in the last couple of years. I can't understand where that kind of judgement of any other person...especially one who has left us all forever... fits in with the kind of compassion I've come to expect of you. He was, after all, another human being, just like the rest of us.
RIP, Robin. Your gifts were appreciated by so many, and will be greatly missed.
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
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Very sad. I know it's more than this, but I can't contemplate the toll that being a performer takes on people.
I loved what Wege said without judgement (ahem some of the rest of you):
good by mr. williams.
i enjoyed your stay.
thank you for your marvel.
I'm two years younger than Robin, and he was part of my life.
[in edit] oops, Tami's quote wasn't there when I posted. I was too slow. Can I get away with great minds ... ?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
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All mean well, but it's clear Cragman doesn't see the full picture of causality here... just as Ken M doesn't see it regarding Islam (fundie to moderate to jihadi).
There's this, too. Robin Williams wasn't in the best of health, apparently, having just had an aortic value replacement, I think it was, on top of everything else. That being the case, in addition to other factors (eg personal philosophy), there is a growing interest among many who simply don't desire being "elders." They've led a full life, they understand their place in the ecology (the circle of life, etc.) and its dynamics and simply want to return "home" or leave the "game" on their own before they're forced to. No doubt, a rather alien concept to those raised in a traditional Abrahamic faith.
"good by mr. williams.
i enjoyed your stay."
Well said from our resident poet.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:18pm PT
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good by mr. williams.
i enjoyed your stay.
thank you for your marvel.
All the nightly TV news anchors should be borrowing weeg's wonderful lines ......
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
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I get what "cragman" is trying to convey he just said it poorly
and picked a shitty time to try
Especially when there has been no conclusive determination. Mr. Compassion
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
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Christianzzzzzzzz
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
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So would you have told Mr. Williams he was a weak ass coward for being depressed and drug addicted? Rhetorical question because I don't care about the answer. I stand by my posts
No sh#t, Anita
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
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Robin Williams, RIP.
edit - re downthread, thanks ßÎØTÇH.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
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"But it is fact that those who suffer from suicide are the loved ones left behind."
True, but it's also a fact that anyone who chooses a climbing lifestyle like ours or Matthew Green's does so with the reality that there might well come a day when we don't return from the mountains for one reason or another. Yet we still go...knowing this is the case...isn't that similarly inconsiderate of the ones left behind? Hell, at least we can make a rational, conscientious choice to do what we do. Those suffering from depression...notsomuch.
If such judgement is to be passed, compassion-oriented people try to do it at an appropriate time. Not at the eulogy.
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:40pm PT
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Is that what I did, Mr. Brennan?
There are two of you with your way of thinking on this thread so far.
I guess we are f*#ked up?
dirtbag should not have put suicide in the title. Hasn't been confirmed that I know of.
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