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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 11, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
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Wow!!!! Shocked!
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:25pm PT
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One of the best actors period. Way beyond comedy. A great loss. Can't get onto the linked site yet.
He fought drug addiction for years
Can anyone copy the article here?
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Park Rat
Social climber
CA, UT,CT,FL
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
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So sad to hear this, RIP Robin!
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
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I'm not completely shocked, it seemed to me that sometimes his goofiness hinted at some sort of mental instability.
Yeah, sorry to read this news but it is not shocking. Condolences to his family and friends.
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:30pm PT
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Never mind I got it. Really sucks.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:32pm PT
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Damn.. He never seemed quite fit for this world. Guess I'm not shocked... but sad.
Truly one of my favorite actors. Enjoyed his comedy for sure. But I thought he came into his own more acting. He brought me and I'm sure all of us some good times. He will continue to entertain for generations I'm sure. Not a bad legacy
Thanks
Peace
"What dreams may come?"
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
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It seems at times we are all held here by the slightest, single thread.
Thanks for all the joy you brought into my life Robin Williams! You'll be missed around here !!
Sincere condolences to his family and many friends.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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When I drove limousines in LA back in the 80s he was in my car once, going to a gig. His agent was there too and he did his whole routine in the back of my car and I spent the entire drive trying to laugh as quietly as I could, so I could appear professional. He tipped me lavishly and was so sweet. I've had a special place for him in my heart and I am so very sad to hear this. Rest in Peace, Robin.
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Fogarty
climber
BITD
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
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Yes wore the PA shoes, my son just told me about this. Sounds like another cowardly suacide. Life is a gift, I hate this sh#t. I wish his wife and family peace.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
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Dang, and all this time I thought the alien Mork wore EBs. Man, that was when climbing really broke into the mainstream.
Robin was really on the edge, you could just feel it watching him. Such mad talent....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
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Shazbat!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:00pm PT
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Why did he bother to sell his house recently?
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:03pm PT
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"O Captain! My Captain! Our fearful trip is done . . .
The ship has weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won.
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
while follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring . . .
But O heart! Heart! Heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
where on the deck my Captain lies,
fallen cold and dead.
O Captain! My Captain! Rise up and hear the bells . . .
Rise up for you the flag is flung, for you the bugle trills.
For you bouquets and ribboned wreaths, for you the shores a crowding.
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning.
Here captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head.
It is some dream that on the deck,
you've fallen cold and dead.
My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still.
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will.
The ship is anchored safe and sound, its voyage closed and done.
From fearful trip, the victor ship, comes in with object won.
Exult, O shores and ring O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
walk the deck my captain lies . . .
fallen cold and dead."
Walt Whitman
RIP Robin . . . one of the greatest.
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
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I don't think of suicide as cowardly. It's extremely tragic but... Knowing how brilliant minds can go out of control, won't stop working, literally driving off into places a person shouldn't EVER go... I understand the need to make it quiet. Sadly I imagine our own Juan De Fuca had a similar experience.
It appears that the more talented and brilliant a person is, the more demons they acquire. The Yin-Yang effect of being brilliant. Sadly I see it in a few friends and yes, a few of my family members. May he rest in peace. I am deeply saddened and feel this loss personally. I don't follow actors but Robin Williams was so much more than "just an actor," he was a phenomenon that can't be repeated.
O CAPTAIN! my Captain! our fearful trip is done;
The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won;
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
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tangen_foster
Trad climber
Danbury, Wisconsin
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
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"Sounds like another cowardly suacide." I don't think it works that way.
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:08pm PT
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Yeah start your own thread for that sh#t
I never got that cowards way out crap...dying seems pretty scary no matter how it happens
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:15pm PT
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"The Pope will now throw out the first baseball..."
(from one of the waaaay early HBO standup shows he did in the 80s...)
:-(
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:17pm PT
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Big time bummer.... A brilliant soul indeed.
His stand up was some of the best i've ever seen.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
RIP Robin..
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:42pm PT
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More than cowardly, suicide is utterly selfish. The only one's who suffer are those left behind.
Williams legacy is now tainted, as choosing to not deal with life's problems
Wow. You've got it dialed in. Nevermind you have no fecking idea what his personal demons were. Everyone should be just like you, who I am going to safely assume has never dealt with depression and addiction to the depths he has, nor the pressures of an adoring public expecting him to be amazing, generous, funny at the drop of a hat. No having bad days, ever. No being able to enjoy something as simple as going to the grocery store without being swarmed by paparazzi, fans, stalkers.
Yeah, he had such an easy life compared to yours.
On a more appropriate note- If you haven't seen his interview on Inside the Actor's Studio (note that the apostrophe s denotes the possessive, not a plurality), find it and be prepared to laugh your arse off. Also check out The History of Golf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
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World According to Garp and Good Will Hunting were great movies. His stand up and Mork and Mindy were really good as well. Too bad.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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Anyone who followed Williams knew he had a lot going on inside. Freedom and peace may require desperate measures. I have not nor will I ever give as much to the world as he did. Nor have I ever come close to feeling so unhappy as to seriously consider that option. I can only imagine the pain that must be required.
I don't begrudge him his choices.. don't even know if I wish he were still here. Cause I wouldn't wish unendurable torture on anyone.
I wasn't him.I cannot know.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
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As did "what dreams may come" Which I will be watching in tears tonight.
I doubt there is any other actor I would feel this sad over. Never have before. This is almost like losing a friend.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
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Williams suffered with bipolar disorder exacerbated by substance abuse brought about by a need to self-medicate. BPs have a very high suicide rate, needless to say.
He worked in an industry that heightened those manic/depressive tendencies. Perhaps a double whammy.
No doubt the phone calls started falling off in recent years ---- cutting off his manic supply and leaving him more prone to serious depression.
Who knows? Perhaps all this was accompanied by other health or financial problems.
Condolences to all his fans and family and friends.
BTW I always liked the fact that Williams never tired of giving the credit to Jonathan Winters as a profound and primary influence in his career.
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Banks
Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
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The fact is, if everyone in this country who battles the same things he fought committed suicide, we've have millions dead every year.
That is no way to deal with one's demons, and only sends a message of hopelessness to others who are in the fight.
You have no idea what his battles were or how hard he fought them. Perhaps a lesser person would have ended their struggle a long time ago. You just don't know, nor should you pretend to know. Dealing with depression is not just a mater of toughing it out. You're view on this is not only simplistic, but uninformed.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
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Any chance we can keep the suicide debate off this thread out of respect for the deceased?
With so many judgmental folks around here, this is the last place I want my demise announced.
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:21pm PT
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Cragman wrote: The fact is, if everyone in this country who battles the same things he fought committed suicide, we've have millions dead every year.
methinks it would behoove you to recheck the definition of the word "fact"...
as it stands you're either an arrogant and hypocritical fucKtard spouting judgemental bullshit literally the same day as a fellow human took action to end their own existence
or
you know the inner workings and personal histories of both robin williams and millions of americans.
hmmm... if nothing else, thanks for making that choice an easy bet for me to place my money on...
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:23pm PT
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good by mr. williams.
i enjoyed your stay.
thank you for your marvel.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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Quite a rush to judgment with no personal knowledge or even news reports of why the man took his own life, if he did.
Sad for anyone to die at 63.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
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Each person has their own way of struggling to make some bit of sense out of these kind of things, like suicide . Not always easy.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
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hey there say, ... always very sad, when someone dies... and sad, in more mysterious ways, when they chose, to die, their way, their time...
one must always remember:
we are all individuals:
brain patterns, fingerprints, are a 'physical' reminder of this...
and even tongue prints...
as a reminder, THAT all that we THINK, DO, and have a TASTE for,
whether in living (or as to death), is uniquely:
us, or our inner man...
thus, so is why folks' reasons for suicide, ARE uniquely theirs...
the list is long, and only the person may fully know why:
many times, a high possibility is this common connection:
when one gets no answers as to what they have so long, and
so hard tried to grasp, as to conquer, fix, or even understand,
well,
at that ONE crucial point, ENDING the process is all that makes sense...
the brain, overwhelmed, offers no other options, AT that crucial moment...
sadly, that means, death to the body, at that point)...
it does not EVEN mean that they like doing it--
there may be some folks that are cowardly (or self-love and pride to do this, or just plain devoid of feelings and not seeing humans as value) and don't want to face what they've done, but these are DIFFERENT issues, as to crimes, etc...
a human, fighting a personal 'what's wrong with me--wish i could get better' fight, is more brave than folks may ever know...
for SOME--each DAY has been faced for many HARD years, until this point...
*JUST added this note, as, i feel so bad to see families loved ones this way, and hear folks speak so harsh against them, after their death...
yes, the families DO know that they, the survivors have been hurt, too...
but they know more inside info, than anyone else, even if it is
just 'small clues' along the way... or left now...
condolences to his family and loved ones... living in the public
eye, makes ones life far more complex, for sure...
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:42pm PT
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Bummer, thanks for the laughs and great movies.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:46pm PT
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Not only a great comedian, but a great actor.
RIP, you'll be missed, Robin
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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Aug 11, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
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Thanks for laughs Mork.
Good article that sums it up.
http://nowtoronto.com/movies/story.cfm?content=199194
If you’ve ever heard Robin Williams’s stand-up, you know he loved the word “Fưck”. He used it as punctuation, he used it to get the audience’s attention, he used it to differentiate himself from his cuddly TV personality at a point when he was famous exclusively for playing a goofy alien who wore rainbow suspenders.
And so, to honour Williams:
Fưck depression. Fưck addiction. Fưck mental illness. Fưck chemical imbalances. Fưck the black dog. Fưck everything and anything that drags a person down into that dark hole from which death seems the only possible escape.
Robin Williams is dead at age 63, reportedly a suicide, and Fưck that too.
The news of Williams’s death spread across Twitter Monday night with equal parts incredulity and denial, which harmonized almost immediately into another kind of incredulity and denial: not “this isn’t real” but “this shouldn’t be.”
Williams was that kind of figure to pretty much everyone who’d seen him over the last 40 years – Mork & Mindy, and the movies he made for families, guaranteed that children grew up with him in their lives; his stand-up work inspired at least two generations of comics, and the movies he made for adults offered a truly impressive range of feeling and complexity.
He won an Oscar for Good Will Hunting; he probably should have won another one for Good Morning, Vietnam, the role best tailored to his strengths, and for The Fisher King, my pick for his single greatest screen performance. (And if anyone had seen World’s Greatest Dad, written and directed by Williams’s old stand-up pal Bobcat Goldthwait, he might have had a shot at another.)
In the days to come, the focus will surely be on Williams’s comedy work, and that’s entirely understandable: they’ll talk about Jumanji, and his voice performance as the Genie in Aladdin, and maybe even bring up Robert Altman’s misbegotten Popeye.
But his dramatic work is where you find the real Williams – someone who was always searching for that expressive part that would break through to the audience and make them see what else he could do. There were key supporting roles in Dead Poets Society and Awakenings, which paved the way for his Good Will Hunting triumph as a sympathetic listener, and that fantastic guest shot as a suddenly bereaved father on Homicide: Life On The Street – a favour to series creator Barry Levinson, who’d directed him in Good Morning, Vietnam and needed an A-list movie star to draw viewers to his show.
There was that short run of schmaltzy prestige projects that cast him as the most feeling man on Earth – Jack, Jakob The Liar, What Dreams May Come, Bicentennial Man – but as soon as Williams realized those weren’t working for him, he pivoted into a period of grim, complicated projects: One Hour Photo, Insomnia, The Night Listener. And then he nudged back into comedy: Barry Sonnenfeld’s RV, the Night At The Museum films, License To Wed, Happy Feet and its sequel.
I’m trying to figure out where Mrs. Doubtfire and The Birdcage fit into this. They were clearly commercial decisions – and neither looks particularly progressive or sophisticated two decades later. But he gives his all and audiences clearly responded.
Talk of a Mrs. Doubtfire sequel was rattling around the web earlier this year, either because Williams wanted something to do after his TV show The Crazy Ones was cancelled or because a couple of Fox executives who grew up with him thought they could make it happen by sheer force of will.
I guess I can understand that. People wanted to see Robin Williams doing the things they loved watching him do best. And now he’s gone, that won’t happen.
No more Oscar gigs, no more surprise stand-up sets, no more unexpected appearances in his friends’ movies. We’ll see him again in the new Night At The Museum picture this Christmas, and with any luck we’ll be able to enjoy him for a few moments.
And that is the point. Fưck you, depression. Robin Williams will still be making people happy.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
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"Sounds like another cowardly suacide." I don't think it works that way.
I promise that's not how it works at all. Very sad news.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:07pm PT
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Looking for sense in suicide is a fool's quest.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Fưck depression. Fưck addiction. Fưck mental illness. Fưck chemical imbalances. Fưck the black dog. Fưck everything and anything that drags a person down into that dark hole from which death seems the only possible escape.
Robin Williams is dead at age 63, and Fưck that too.
What were Adam's first words to Eve?
"Stand back, I'm not sure how big this thing is gonna get."
Robin Williams, with his voice, really makes that joke sing. He could even pull it off in front of the Pope, I'd bet, as the true court jester he was.
Now...the funny man makes us sad. And wonder.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:11pm PT
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Looking for sense in suicide is a fool's quest.
Perhaps, but it's very natural, and very human to do so---and like suicide, not very likely to end any day soon.
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MisterE
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
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He was a great comedic talent, RIP.
That being said...
I was working for Patch Adams shortly after Robin Williams played him in the movie.
Patch was desperately trying to raise money for his free hospital (where I volunteered for a year and a half), and when approached about the movie rights, Patch was pressured into taking no money.
He figured the publicity was better than not making the movie.
In the end, Patch recieved $0 from Hollywood, and also got $0 from Robin (who made bank for this movie and others at the time).
I hope he left something for Patch.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
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Wow. Been there buddy, I understand why you did it. RIP Robin.
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tangen_foster
Trad climber
Danbury, Wisconsin
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
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More than cowardly, suicide is utterly selfish. The only one's who suffer are those left behind.
Williams legacy is now tainted, as choosing to not deal with life's problems only instills in those that admired him (especially young people)who may have similar battles, the thought that this may be an option for them.
My heart goes out to his family and friends. I pray they may find peace in spite of such brutality being inflicted on them.
Of course, Cragman, you are referring to the brutality of the comments that you have inflicted upon them. Not only do they have to endure his loss, but also your allegations of cowardice and selfishness.
I'm sure your words are comforting.
In addition, to anyone profoundly depressed, contemplating suicide, your notation that they are fundamentally a cowardly, selfish person is undoubtedly character-building to them, and contributes to their stability.
And then there is the issue of attacking the character of a person on the day that they die....when they cannot defend themselves.
Makes you wonder who is cowardly......
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
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Well said Ken.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
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everyone knows that
the emotional
bully harbors
immense insecurity.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
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Wow. Been there buddy, I understand why you did it. RIP Robin.
Michelle gets it
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
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I didn't know that ...but then i'm nobody...made of nothing...unworthy...
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brett
climber
oregon
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:48pm PT
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Moscow on the Hudson was a really good one too.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
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Wow...Gotta say there Crag,sounded quite insensetive. When people die in car accidents do you respond with "ahh,the guy was a sh!tty driver anyway??"
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
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So sad, I am as hairy as he was, each year I always have a couple of students tell me I look like him. RIP
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Aug 11, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
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I'm laying on the couch nursing a bad head cold as Timid reads me all the posts. .........neebee, scrubbing bubbles, anastasia and ken m; thank you for your posts......
Shame on you, Cragman.
*Really sad. Rest in Peace, Robin**
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
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Dean, I've gained a lot of respect for your generosity and human idealism in the last couple of years. I can't understand where that kind of judgement of any other person...especially one who has left us all forever... fits in with the kind of compassion I've come to expect of you. He was, after all, another human being, just like the rest of us.
RIP, Robin. Your gifts were appreciated by so many, and will be greatly missed.
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
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Very sad. I know it's more than this, but I can't contemplate the toll that being a performer takes on people.
I loved what Wege said without judgement (ahem some of the rest of you):
good by mr. williams.
i enjoyed your stay.
thank you for your marvel.
I'm two years younger than Robin, and he was part of my life.
[in edit] oops, Tami's quote wasn't there when I posted. I was too slow. Can I get away with great minds ... ?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
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All mean well, but it's clear Cragman doesn't see the full picture of causality here... just as Ken M doesn't see it regarding Islam (fundie to moderate to jihadi).
There's this, too. Robin Williams wasn't in the best of health, apparently, having just had an aortic value replacement, I think it was, on top of everything else. That being the case, in addition to other factors (eg personal philosophy), there is a growing interest among many who simply don't desire being "elders." They've led a full life, they understand their place in the ecology (the circle of life, etc.) and its dynamics and simply want to return "home" or leave the "game" on their own before they're forced to. No doubt, a rather alien concept to those raised in a traditional Abrahamic faith.
"good by mr. williams.
i enjoyed your stay."
Well said from our resident poet.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:18pm PT
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good by mr. williams.
i enjoyed your stay.
thank you for your marvel.
All the nightly TV news anchors should be borrowing weeg's wonderful lines ......
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
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I get what "cragman" is trying to convey he just said it poorly
and picked a shitty time to try
Especially when there has been no conclusive determination. Mr. Compassion
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
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Christianzzzzzzzz
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
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So would you have told Mr. Williams he was a weak ass coward for being depressed and drug addicted? Rhetorical question because I don't care about the answer. I stand by my posts
No sh#t, Anita
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
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Robin Williams, RIP.
edit - re downthread, thanks ßÎØTÇH.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
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"But it is fact that those who suffer from suicide are the loved ones left behind."
True, but it's also a fact that anyone who chooses a climbing lifestyle like ours or Matthew Green's does so with the reality that there might well come a day when we don't return from the mountains for one reason or another. Yet we still go...knowing this is the case...isn't that similarly inconsiderate of the ones left behind? Hell, at least we can make a rational, conscientious choice to do what we do. Those suffering from depression...notsomuch.
If such judgement is to be passed, compassion-oriented people try to do it at an appropriate time. Not at the eulogy.
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:40pm PT
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Is that what I did, Mr. Brennan?
There are two of you with your way of thinking on this thread so far.
I guess we are f*#ked up?
dirtbag should not have put suicide in the title. Hasn't been confirmed that I know of.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
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It is not our place to judge others.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:42pm PT
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^^^ pretty much
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:49pm PT
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Just gutted by this. Such an interesting and smart guy. Just ugh.
edit: Mort Sahl is still alive; I had no idea.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Aug 11, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
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As a film nut who sees a couple hundred films a year, I think Robin was truly one of my favorites. Yeah, he made me laugh, but some of the most poignant moments in cinema history to me were some of his powerful moments in Goodwill Hunting and Dead Poets Society.
Here's two of the best. Both moved me dramatically and I think of them from time to time.
I hope that in some way the frailty of man and the mysterious sovereignty of God are crystallized in the passing of such a great performer. We'll miss you man.
Scott
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Aug 11, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
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Robin on Jonathan Winters:
“First he was my idol, then he was my mentor and amazing friend. I'll miss him huge. He was my Comedy Buddha. Long live the Buddha.” RIP, they both made us laugh so much.
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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Aug 11, 2014 - 09:18pm PT
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You know I think if people don’t get it they haven’t looked deeper into themselves. We all see the charade, the struggle, the phony bs that makes up so much of our lives.
Think of the pressure he put himself through - with both good and horrible results. How brave of him. He lit us all up. How long can you reach that deep and be original, be yourself?
Yes sad. But also, so free. Away from those ghosts. Those, ours and his vampires. What a character!!
We need crazy. He gave us that. Insights and laughter. What gifts.
Bon Voyage Robin!!!
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slobmonster
Trad climber
OAK (nee NH)
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Aug 11, 2014 - 09:27pm PT
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I'm really hoping Cragman is personable, kind, compassionate, gracious, and genteel in person. Because online Cragman can be a dick.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
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Aug 11, 2014 - 09:32pm PT
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Robin was a big cycling enthusiast. For several years we did a two-man standup gig at the team presentation/pre-race Gala of the Amgen Tour of California. One year we had to hit the head before going on stage. At that time Senator Larry Craig had just been busted in an airport restroom for 'toe-tapping' in an attempt to hook-up.
So, here Robin and I are in adjoining stalls relieving ourselves when I ask him, 'don't you go all Larry Craig on me!" He proceeded to do a 2-minute bit on 'toe tapping' right there in the restroom. That was so Robin!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Aug 11, 2014 - 09:45pm PT
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Thx Bruce. Good laughs on that.
Really enjoyed his stuff...
Death to Smoochy
Bicentennial Man
Good Morning Vietnam
Patch Adams
What Dreams May Come
Good Will Hunting
Birdcage
Aladdin
Hook
Dead Poets Society
red white and blue, red white and blue, OH SH#T ITS THE COPS eat everything in the ashtray, eat everything in the ashtray...
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Fogarty
climber
BITD
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Aug 11, 2014 - 09:45pm PT
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Here are 10 of Williams' most memorable roles and some of the most powerful quotes from each film:
As English teacher John Keating in "Dead Poets Society," 1989:
"...if you listen real close, you can hear them whisper their legacy to you. Go on, lean in. Listen, you hear it? - - Carpe - - hear it? - - Carpe, carpe diem, seize the day boys, make your lives extraordinary."
As Daniel Hillard/Mrs. Doubtfire in "Mrs. Doubtfire," 1993:
"Well, He broke the mold when He made me. He made me very special."
As psychologist Sean Maguire in "Good Will Hunting," 1997:
"Real loss is only possible when you love something more than you love yourself."
As car crash victim Chris Nielsen in "What Dreams May Come," 1998:
"A whole human life is just a heartbeat here in Heaven. Then we'll all be together forever."
As Dr. Malcolm Sayer in "Awakenings," 1990:
"Only occasionally, without a sound, do the covers of the eyes slide open-. An image rushes in, goes through the tensed silence of the frame- only to vanish, forever, in the heart."
As doctor Hunter "Patch" Adams in "Patch Adams," 1998:
"What's wrong with death sir? What are we so mortally afraid of? Why can't we treat death with a certain amount of humanity and dignity, and decency, and God forbid, maybe even humor. Death is not the enemy gentlemen. If we're going to fight a disease, let's fight one of the most terrible diseases of all, indifference."
As Armed Forces Radio DJ Adrian Cronauer in "Good Morning Vietnam," 1987:
"Good morning, Vietnam! Hey, this is not a test. This is rock and roll. Time to rock it from the delta to the DMZ!"
As Peter Banning/Peter Pan in "Hook," 1991:
"Jack, Maggie, all you have to do is think one happy thought, and you'll fly like me."
As English teacher John Keating in "Dead Poets Society," 1989:
"We don't read and write poetry because it's cute. We read and write poetry because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering, these are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty, romance, love, these are what we stay alive for. To quote from Whitman, 'O me! O life!... of the questions of these recurring; of the endless trains of the faithless... of cities filled with the foolish; what good amid these, O me, O life?' Answer. That you are here - that life exists, and identity; that the powerful play goes on and you may contribute a verse. That the powerful play goes on and you may contribute a verse. What will your verse be?"
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
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Slobmonster, Cragman is actually a very nice and gracious guy, works really hard on a variety of charity organizations and has been rescuing people for decades, and has a big family up in June Lake. Very generous guy.
Scrubbing Bubbles (love that handle!), leave it to Fuzzywuzzy to know how, just now. Uber-skier and climber and famous guide now of 44 years, amazingly well-read and fit as hell. He has been through some similar experiences just recently and his bravery and acceptance is really stunning.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 11, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
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He visited my 17 year old cousin with Leukemia in between treatments at a childrens hospital, something I never got around to doing. To say he was a good guy is to be stuck with simple words.
It's a bit different for me, maybe... I am not anywhere near his peer, but I grew up on his movies. He was a big part of my childhood, the magical nostalgia that creeps up when I think life is getting a bit too serious. I don't know what parts of him he wanted to keep for himself but the parts of him he shared with the world I loved very deeply.
I've known and met people that can do amazing things but can't help themselves. Not won't help themselves... but can't. To say we understand or have an idea what goes on in someones head is to admit that our own intricate mind is just as easily dissected. I think that is not the case.
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slobmonster
Trad climber
OAK (nee NH)
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Aug 11, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
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this thread is NO eulogy. It has the word SUICIDE in the title...ok?
It is absolutely a eulogy. Cragman's contention is that the manner of the man's death annulled his very life, and I find this to be offensive.
Depression is real; please be nice to one another.
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stinkeye
climber
NORCAL
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Aug 11, 2014 - 10:26pm PT
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"as it stands you're either an arrogant and hypocritical fucKtard spouting judgemental bullshit literally the same day as a fellow human took action to end their own existence "
You had him at hello.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
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Aug 11, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
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OK. One more Robin Williams story. We were at the 2004 Tour de France at the final stage in Paris. Robin was a big Lance Fan. He once told me that he was the one who introduced Sheryl Crow to Lance.
Anyway, there he was in front of all the TV cameras being asked all sorts of boring questions. I yelled out, "Robin what about all the riders in the sexy, tight pants?' and off he goes into a shtick about racers and their bulges, etc. Of course, that's exactly what the TV people wanted. They just didn't know how to get him started. Yeah, again, he will be missed.
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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Aug 11, 2014 - 10:52pm PT
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The fact is, if everyone in this country who battles the same things he fought committed suicide, we've have millions dead every year
We do.
According to the World Health Organization, the current annual tally is 3,000,000. This represents something like 25% of total attempts - evidently we have better odds hitting the State Lottery jackpot.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Aug 11, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
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I'm very sad to hear the news just now. He was a unique talent and will be missed. I saw him frequently at the Marin Faire BITD with his family.
My personal funny story about him. Head down, I'm dashing through the crowds with a large soda trying to get back to work. BLAM- I run right into someone... upending the entire drink on the front of the man. I'm apologizing. "I'm sorry, I'm sorry" while patting him with the hem of my dress to dry him off... then I look up... right into Robin Williams face (I hadn't noticed it was him since I was so busy swabbing his chest.)
ME: "OH MY GOD! I'm SO sorry." (Noticeably more emphatic)
HIM: (Without missing a beat) " So... you weren't really sorry before?" *(winks)* smiles at me and tells me it's fine.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 11, 2014 - 10:55pm PT
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I guess you just don't get it. Why you are one of the direct sources of suicides.
People who have profound, deep depressions take note of what they've read. How their thoughts of suicide mean that they are "weak", that they are "a burden on others", that they are "cowards".
What do you think people who begin to believe those things about themselves do? They HIDE their feelings, so as not to be exposed for the inadequate people that YOU"VE told them that they are. So they stew with their illness, and do not seek help, or lie about how the help that they are getting is working....so they are not to be even MORE inadequate. And then something happens, with them in this very dark place, that serves to push them over the edge.
So, Cragman, stop creating grief for those who suffer. Stop making it very difficult for them to get help. Stop hurting people.
Slobmonster, Cragman is actually a very nice and gracious guy, works really hard on a variety of charity organizations and has been rescuing people for decades, and has a big family up in June Lake. Very generous guy.
And Capone opened soup kitchens.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 11, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
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There can be courage and honor in choosing how and when you will die. His choice to freely decide doesn't diminish his inspiration to me. Ordinary people can make their trite, ordinary platitudes, but Robin was extraordinary. I get the joke.
( I've seen a man look me in the eye with disdain because he thought that I was forcing him to keep living and keep suffering. He then ripped the cannula out of his nose in a humbling act of courage. There was a great fire in his exhausted countenance. I was awed.)
Living is easy. Living and dying on your own terms is not so easy.
"At the bottom of this Big Big Cliff, you will find a Big Big Man.
Signed, Big John."
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Aug 11, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
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Ken gets it.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 12, 2014 - 12:43am PT
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Can we all just lighten up now, and celebrate this wonderful, lost person?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Aug 12, 2014 - 12:56am PT
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RIP Mr. Williams.
The Fisher King
It begins with the king as a boy, having to spend the night alone in the forest to prove his courage so he can become king.
Now while he is spending the night alone he's visited by a sacred vision. Out of the fire appears the holy grail, symbol of God's divine grace. And a voice said to the boy,
"You shall be keeper of the grail so that it may heal the hearts of men."
But the boy was blinded by greater visions of a life filled with power and glory and beauty.
And in this state of radical amazement he felt for a brief moment not like a boy, but invincible, like God,
... so he reached into the fire to take the grail,
... and the grail vanished,
... leaving him with his hand in the fire to be terribly wounded.
Now as this boy grew older, his wound grew deeper.
Until one day, life for him lost its reason. ... He had no faith in any man, not even himself.
... He couldn't love or feel loved.
... He was sick with experience.
He began to die.
One day a fool wandered into the castle and found the king alone. And being a fool, he was simple minded, he didn't see a king. He only saw a man alone and in pain. And he asked the king,
"What ails you friend?"
The king replied,
"I'm thirsty. I need some water to cool my throat".
So the fool took a cup from beside his bed, filled it with water and handed it to the king.
As the king began to drink, he realized his wound was healed. He looked in his hands and there was the holy grail, that which he sought all of his life. And he turned to the fool and said with amazement,
"How can you find that which my brightest and bravest could not?"
And the fool replied,
"I don't know. I only knew that you were thirsty."
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 12, 2014 - 01:32am PT
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Robin was a very thirsty man..
Rest in Peace
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 12, 2014 - 01:55am PT
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Some memorable quotes from my favorite RW flick and one of Irving's best books.
"Life is like a sack of gorp. You never know what you'll pull out of the sack. Well, not at first, anyhow."
“You know, everybody dies. My parents died. Your father died. Everybody dies. I'm going to die too. So will you. The thing is, to have a life before we die. It can be a real adventure having a life”
"Honey, the chances of another plane hitting this house are astronomical."
“Oh F!KK the longings and agonies of youth.” ― John Irving, The World According to Garp
RIP and nanu nanu.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 12, 2014 - 02:01am PT
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Any chance we can keep the suicide debate off this thread out of respect for the deceased?
With so many judgmental folks around here, this is the last place I want my demise announced.
Pud hits it on the nail.
RIP Robin Williams, a great talent.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:48am PT
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Sorry, but a discussion of RW would have to involve the suicide. These things don't just happen. They build over many years, and if he was bipolar, that would go back to his twenties or so.
Brilliant, crazy. Two things sometimes go together.
Hemingway died the same way.
Anyone judging these men is wrong. Judgment is our problem as a society.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:58am PT
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humor and laughter are tangible joy;
a gift from robin to his audience.
suicide is tangible despair;
a unfortunate hardship randomly
inherited by both the meek and the weak.
religion is the greatest social disease
and symptom of emotional cowardice that
our species has known.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:12am PT
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In 2006, after 20 years sober, he checked himself into rehab for alcoholism. He opened up about his struggles with addiction to alcohol and cocaine in a powerful interview with The Guardian and on "Good Morning America."
"It's not caused by anything, it's just there," he said. "It waits. It lays in wait for the time when you think, 'It's fine now, I'm OK.' Then, the next thing you know, it's not OK. Then you realize, 'Where am I? I didn't realize I was in Cleveland.'"
Very sad when anyone kills themselves, but very poignant when depression overcomes someone as full of life as Robin Williams. A friend of mine, a psychiatrist, says simply, "We don't know what the causes depression and, more importantly, what triggers a person to act on killing themselves." As Robins says in the quote above, "It is just there...it lays in wait."
In the NYTimes today,film critic A. O. Scott writes:
"...it was clear that Mr. Williams was one of the most explosively, exhaustingly, prodigiously verbal comedians who ever lived. The only thing faster than his mouth was his mind, which was capable of breathtaking leaps of free-associative absurdity....Robin Williams was an irrepressible performer, on stage and off. Onstage, Mr. Williams’s speed allowed him to test audience responses and to edit and change direction on the fly. He simultaneously explained and acted out this process in “Come Inside My Mind,” a two-and-a-half-minute tour de force of manic meta — “I’m doing great! I’m improvising like crazy! No you’re not, you fool! You’re just doing pee-pee-ca-ca, no substance!”
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TwistedCrank
climber
Released into general population, Idaho
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:14am PT
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What a bunch of stupid necrophilic armchair psychologists, just because he was a "star" and y'alls fell victim to the hype. It was his job ferchrissakes. You don't need to be a star to suffer from depression.
Just let him rest in peace and move on.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:24am PT
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Rest in peace Robin.
Thanks to all who shared.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:39am PT
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Very, very sad.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:44am PT
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Imagine calling someone who has a genetic heart defect selfish or a coward? As a society we have little understanding of mental illness and continue to cast it inappropriately. When we don't accept it for what it truly is those seeking or needing help are censored.
Judgmental reactions are harmful to those who are suffering and for their loved ones who are desperately trying to help them. I encourage those who have little empathy to utilize NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) as a resource for better understanding. Coping with a suicide in a family and among loved ones is difficult, understanding it as an illness is the path for those reconciling their loss.
Cragman you have great capacity for love and I'm certain there's more room in your heart.
RIP RW
Charlie D.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Aug 12, 2014 - 09:04am PT
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RIP Robin Williams. An amazing body of work.
This sort of thing always reminds me of the Lao Tzu quote:
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long."
Williams had a manic genius to him. And like so many from Cobain to Belushi to Van Gogh, some of that genius may make one more vulnerable to inner demons of various sorts.
I'm glad he was around for longer than some of those others and blessed us with as many performances as he did.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 12, 2014 - 09:47am PT
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Maybe it wasn't a suicide, but a horrible accident.
Auto-erotic asphyxiation, anybody?
Could be he died doing something he loved.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 12, 2014 - 09:54am PT
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Back in my pre-professional days, when I lived in San Francisco, I had some friends drag me out to the Richmond District to the Holy City Zoo, to see what they thought was amazing comedy. I'm not a big comedy show guy, but went with my friends. As others have related, this was before Williams became a star. Of course, he was on that nite, their Sunday "open mike" sessions.
It's not often that you encounter someone who appears to have been born to do what they are doing, but that was certainly my impression that evening. I've often thought back to that night when I'd see Williams on TV.
But I must say that I thought that his transition to acting was astonishing. Stand-up is about very fast thinking--connecting and reacting. Acting is not. It involves very carefully crafted narrative, and demonstration of emotion. It was amazing that he could do both, at the highest level. I found him to be a magnetic dramatic actor.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 12, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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Yep, WTF, it is like gravity....you don't cure it, you simply try to control it, often temporarily.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 12, 2014 - 11:45am PT
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The brightest burning candles never last as long.
And Robin burned so very brightly.
Carpe Diem....
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Festus
Social climber
Enron by the Sea
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Aug 12, 2014 - 12:00pm PT
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Had to be 1972, the year I turned 21. A comedy club (the first we'd ever heard of) opened in Pacific Beach at the foot of Grand Avenue in a little room on the ground floor beneath TD Hays restaurant. So we get a group together and go, had no idea who was performing and it didn't matter, it was a big deal just to have a Comedy Store let alone being old enough to get in. Of course, some guy named Robin Williams was the main act and you can imagine the rest. I'd never seen anything like it, a blur of images and bits that had us laughing as hard as any of us ever had. But the one image I'll never forget is this:
If you know the area, you know there is only an alley between the side of this building and the beach. As Williams performed, a double-door emergency exit opening onto that alley was to his left. In the middle of his act some bikers on really loud Harleys slowly cruised by in this alley. Williams stops, eyes wide open in apparent fear, and says "Hells Angels!" at which point he leaps to the emergency exit doors, flings them open and yells "F#CKING PUSSIES!!!" at the top of his lungs then quickly jumps back inside and slams the doors behind him, his back to them and arms spread in panic as if certain they'll try to break in and kick his ass. That was the hardest I laughed all night, which is truly, truly saying something. It was hard to breath let alone hold back the tears. He flat out killed that night.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 12, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
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Depression has many faces. His early manic acts make me wonder if he was Bipolar, but it doesn't matter. Severe depression is also a part of BP.
For many, it is a life long struggle, and it is a deadly disease. The suicide rate is high enough that you can't buy life insurance, for instance. There are now some terrific drugs. Just hope you have insurance, because they are too expensive for the homeless and uninsured. Those folks get the old generic drugs (some of which still cost more than diamonds by weight). Some of the meds are incredibly expensive.
Suicide is a terrible choice, although it sometimes seems that the pain will never go away, and you just want to stop it. He has my profound empathy, but I wish he had had somebody to help him through it.
That would all be well and good except once suicide begins in families, it tends to propagate to children and other kin. You just can't do it. The numbers don't lie. When a suicide starts, the odds of it continuing in families is great.
RW entertained us, but even now, the stigma over mental illness probably had something to do with him hiding the disease. Substance abuse and mental illness also go hand in hand as people self medicate to make the pain go away.
Most of us know people who suffer from a mental illness. It isn't pretty, but these people need acceptance and support from their friends and family. Nothing sickens me more than seeing a mentally ill homeless man begging for loose change.
We treat the mentally ill very poorly in our society.
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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Aug 12, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
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^^^ We didn't use too.
Reagan cut all the federal funding to mental hospitals back in the 80's leading to most of the hospitals shutting down and the rise in homelessness and severe decline in studying mental health.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Aug 12, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
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I will miss you on this side of eternity Robin. Man did you make me laugh. I loved Mork and Mindy and the climbing shoes. You had an incredible gift. Only G-d knows you're true suffering. I find comfort in the fact that you did know Yeshua, Jesus, in some way. I will see you again.
He was a practicing Episcopalian ...
http://community.sparknotes.com/2011/06/27/why-im-episcopalian-and-proud-of-it
Although I don't agree with all their theology I do agree with some of it.
Suicide is not the unforgiveable sin. But like someone attested to it hurts forever those who are left behind. But someone in a place so dark to do so is not in their right mind. HaShem forgives, especially if you are under the grace of Yeshua HaMashiach.
http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/a/Bible-Suicide.htm
I know. My mother took her life and she loved Jesus. She was in a very dark place and under a lot of medication that doctors felt would help her. Bovine Dung to their advice. My mother wasn't herself. She was in desperate depression. I know I'll see my mother again.
Rest Robin and keep Heaven laughing.
Edit: I agree regarding Ray-Gun^^^^
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 12, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
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Just read, suicide it was.
Why does this hit so hard??
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 12, 2014 - 02:55pm PT
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Why does this hit so hard??
Been asking that question myself. Never thought I'd feel this way about the death of someone I never met.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Aug 12, 2014 - 03:32pm PT
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The world is in need of some good news. It's sad to lose someone who had the ability to make everyone laugh.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 12, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
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Mork.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Aug 12, 2014 - 11:00pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
seen the episode when FX had it on, but then they pulled it..
rip r.w.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 13, 2014 - 08:24am PT
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Message from Zelda
Hey Ron .. better cover your car...
"To those he touched who are sending kind words, know that one of his favorite things in the world was to make you all laugh. As for those who are sending negativity, know that some small, giggling part of him is sending a flock of pigeons to your house to poop on your car. Right after you've had it washed. After all, he loved to laugh too..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/robin-williams-kids-react-to-death_n_5674140.html
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Aug 13, 2014 - 08:28am PT
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First comedy record i owned was Live at the Met. I had that thing memorized.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Aug 20, 2014 - 06:44pm PT
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More than cowardly, suicide is utterly selfish. The only one's who suffer are those left behind.
Williams legacy is now tainted, as choosing to not deal with life's problems only instills in those that admired him (especially young people)who may have similar battles, the thought that this may be an option for them.
My heart goes out to his family and friends. I pray they may find peace in spite of such brutality being inflicted on them.
What mindless, insensitive dribble. The foment of an uninformed, arrogant individual who should pray for a honest sense of compassion and perhaps do some homework on suicide before they breach the subject again.
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