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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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May 15, 2014 - 01:21pm PT
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the sooner the Abrahamic religions are rejected once and for all as the lies and fairy tales they are, the better of humanity will be as a whole.
The scourge of rational thought.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 15, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
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The State doesn't get involved in the religious aspect of a marriage, if there is one. As long the State's legal guidelines for marriage are followed - paperwork and credentials for the officiant, mainly, the couple and their church are free to do what they wish Precisely why the 1st Amendment prohibits the State from "respecting" any religious views.
When the State does respect a particular religion you have Sudan which has just sentenced a woman to death by hanging. Apostacy is punishable by death. She renounced Islam and converted to Christianity and just as illegal, she married a Christian. Two strikes and her neck is going to be stretched.
BLUEBLOCR
you may of course believe anything you dam**d well please. Your government cannot make its decisions based upon any religious belief. It must recognize marriage between any two humans.
Believe me, it took this Liberal quite a long time to accept that but now I fully support it.
Oddly enough it was an editorial in that conservative(for the UK) Economist magazine about twelve years ago to convince me. There is ZERO harm to society and much benefit to allow all people the right to marry.
The only people it harms are religious bigots and homophobes.
Homosexualality has not shown any positive aspects to society? Remember aids? Killed millions. And Homo's certainly do nothing for evolution to proceed the human race.
So show me a REASON why homosexualality deserves a vote. That's about as bigoted and homophobic as anything I've heard spoken in public. At least since Hitler and the current North Korean invincible leader. And religious extremists.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 15, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
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For those who think the fight against a Christian America is won - remember the Battle of the Bulge.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/12/us/legal-alliance-gains-host-of-court-victories-for-conservative-christian-movement.html
In a nutshell, America's most powerful homophobic groups - all Christian, are training and hiring a new generation of talented attorneys. That trend is bearing fruit in the courts, as witnessed by the most recent 'prayer at government functions' ruling.
A woman's right to choose has been severely damaged in recent years in the legislatures and courts. Need I mention Catholic hospitals?
It's far from over. If you actually care enough to act, I'd suggest writing the biggest check you can afford.
Cuz SCOTUS rulings are the gift that keep on giving.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 15, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
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AGAIN DMT, and others only read what their prejudices allow them to see.
homosexuality (usually uncountable, plural homosexualities)
The state of being sexually and romantically attracted primarily to persons of the same sex.
Sexual activity with a person of the same sex.
If you would have actually followed the conversation you would have heard I voted to give the homosexuals equal rights in the state. I've NEVER stated otherwise.
Just like I have never HATED any person for smoking cigarettes. I HATE when I can smell secondhand smoke. Nor do I HATE people who drink. But I do HATE alchoholism. Without any disrespect toward an individual, I would vote on any initiative that restricts publicly these activities. Forsure these individuals have the Right to harm themselves, they have no Right to harm others in their ignorance. If parents are unable to raise up a human being with respect for themselves or others. The government is expected to step in and become the societal parent or referee by installing laws. The laws are meant to restrict activities that become burdensome in the societal setting. We the people of the US have the unique opportunity to vote for/against what is burdensome to society. Most people in the world don't have this opportunity. Their government just decides what's right or wrong, good or bad. America stands for freedom. Up till now we have declared that Rights are most important and good. And that's Great! However today more then ever we are seeing the repercussions of the Right to do whatever one wants. People without the financial means to get their body fixed from years of consuming toxic poisons look to the government for help. Which is in fact comes from our pocketbook. Of course we want to take care of our loved ones when they are unable to responsibly take care of themselves. But haven't we witnessed a trend with the Rights of individuals that partake in activities that are detrimental to health and happiness? We allow the individual the Right to negatively treat his body, then when something goes wrong we are held liable. It jus doesn't make sense.
We will never become enlightened as a nation, if we continue to rely on the government for parental guidance..
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 15, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
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We will never become enlightened as a nation, if we continue to rely on the government for parental guidance..
That this statement seems necessary on a climbers' forum shows the extent to which we have changed as a climbing community. When I started climbing in the 1960's, the last thing we wanted was the government acting like parents. Robbins had an interesting exchange with a climber from the Northwest in Summit magazine in the late '60's or early '70's, where Robbins argued forcefully against the government providing "parental" guidance.
John
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 15, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
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People without the financial means to get their body fixed from years of consuming toxic poisons look to the government for help. Which is in fact comes from our pocketbook. Progressives believe whatever the cause of your illness, even your own stupidity, you have the right to good medical care.
Progressives believe the government has a duty to pass laws for the general benefit by educating the public, limiting the production, marketing (by Big Business) and consumption of toxic poisons.
Got a problem with that? Isn't that the Christian thing to do? What would jesus say?
How much money has Big Business made with the marketing of known addictive toxins to children and adults?
If Unfettered Capitalism behaved morally, government would gladly get out of the way.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 15, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
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It doesn't make sense, Blu, because your last diatribe was basically a drain filter sludge of recycled strawmen from the right wing media that has little to do with reality.
Deal with the world as it really is. It's really not that bad of a place.
And, for Dog's sake, deal with you stupid prejudices. Addiction is a life threatening disease. Comparing sexuality - any kind of sexuality - with addiction is profoundly ignorant, and it's pretty obvious that ignorance drives your embarrassingly obvious bigotry. Man, I would never choose to leave the trail of stupid you've left here, but hey, that's me.
Here's a trick for ya: People are people. Life instantly improves when you keep it simple and not worry about things that are none of your business anyway.
And for Christ's sake (literally) get to know some gay people. They're all around you, even if you don't realize it. Funny how that process will keep you from steeping in your own bullsh#t.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 15, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
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A metaphor for how brain streams, integrates and filters to produce sentience?
(oops, wrong thread, lol!)
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dirtbag
climber
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May 15, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
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Another vote for dingus.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 15, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
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^^ Thanks Fellars!
HT, I hope my last post maybe straightened out what you thought my meaning was in that one prior? My meaning was not toward the person, but the act. I very much respect ur voice and do not wish to upset it by a lack of understanding.
Cheers!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 15, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
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BLUEBLOCR
Thanks for getting me to read that post more carefully. We do indeed have significant agreement.
Cheers!
HFCS
worse than shame, it is barbaric.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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May 16, 2014 - 06:55am PT
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 16, 2014 - 09:30am PT
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Glanton, you're getting lost in technicalities.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 16, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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Oh Anita,
That's just priceless. Good! lol.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 16, 2014 - 10:20am PT
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Government is just one of many external extensions of the homeostatic systems that manage our well being and health made possible by the evolution of our big brains. Assigning a de facto value to 'government' without considering what exact 'government' you're talking about is like resenting the sign that keeps your heart pumping without determining whether or not its functioning property to keep you healthy.
Ah well, the anti-government meme is particularly popular among the evolution deniers - no mystery there.
When there's a mile wide blow hole in one's understanding of where we came from and how the world actually works, bullshit rushes in to fill the void.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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May 16, 2014 - 10:25am PT
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that's grumpy cat
I will upload it here for posterity
I must admit it makes me crack up every time I see it
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