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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
Freedom OF religion was a blockbuster concept in 1776 an era of state approved religions worldwide. It mean't the freedom to worship ANY religion or NO religion without fear of persecution from the state. Remember....Christianity is just one of many belief systems worldwide.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
May 11, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
Sullly,
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

:)

.....

Sullly deleted her post, it read...

"Our nation worships tech and the technocrats. Techies? Christians? Same religion, different name with different set of males running it."

Techies. Christians. Same religion? Nah.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 11, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one person to dissolve the political bands Which have connected them with another and To assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, That among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It's obvious that The Founders started this country with Intelligent Design in mind!
And the wording Thoroughly points to the bible. The words "religious freedom" are presented when the act of Oaths when elected included the name Jesus Christ. So the "freedom" allowed any name to be used.
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
May 11, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
1. Nature's God not man's god.
2. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

Thusly, hence and thereby : "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.[9]"

You're oblivious.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
May 11, 2014 - 03:25pm PT
You know it's a nation founded by Protestants trying to escape oppresion from larger more oppressive protestants; Catholic Church, Church of England, etc.

That they needed to escape from a power that was trying to enforce a state religion, by puninsment if necessary, is a part of the very foundation of the USA as an independant country.


If the Catholic Church of 1400's had not become so corrupt as to drive Martin Luther to start the whole Protestant movement with Lutheranism, if the Church as it was stayed true to Christ's teachings then the entire world would be a very different place.

I think the crux was when Pope Leo, the Medicci, allowed good wealthy Catholics to buy their way out of sinning. Luther was insenced by this as well as the oppulence of St. Peter's Cathedral.


I think a Donnini Pope would be a good move.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 11, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

The pigs done moved into the farm house.

Round and round and round we go.

Oppressed becomes oppressor.

DMT
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
May 11, 2014 - 03:36pm PT

I think a Donnini Pope would be a good move.

Stupid, but a complexly and completely new religion based on Werner's beliefs might be considered. Who should be on the short list of the ordained to proselyte his faith?

All are stupid and fall short in general of glory because they are stupid.
W1:1
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 11, 2014 - 03:38pm PT

1. Nature's God not man's god.
2. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

1. Aren't you a part of nature ?
2. No laws respecting any one certain religion.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
May 11, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
Don't want to try too hard (speak for everyone) ..








































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Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 11, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
What's interesting is that some posters on this thread say God this and God that and Christians this and Christians that...as if they knew the mind of God and other human beings. Basically some posters are simply putting their thoughts and suppositions on a God they don't know and people they've never met and then placing their opinions in a box they label God or Christian.

tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
May 11, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
A Predominantly Christian group of people ran away to a Better life and now a predominantly non Christian group of people are uncomfortable because they don't want today's Christians to use that fact to be made to feel like the Catholics treated the Christians at the time. I'm a Christian but I don't want to be made to feel that way either as I don't want the US brand of Christianity shoved down my throat either.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
May 11, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
I believe in the Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, and Santa.

They are real. Therefore god must be as well.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 11, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
Well you've got to admit rlf, they've got a pretty good track record. :)
locker

Social climber
"Sh#t shack across from the city dump"
May 11, 2014 - 04:00pm PT


"What's interesting is that some posters on this thread say God this and God that and Christians this and Christians that...as if they knew the mind of God"...


I dare say that NO ONE knows the mind of God...

How could they???...




That works for both "Sides"...

;-)





BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 11, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
^^^^Lynne look close, you'll notice that most of the bashers are x-catholics. Fallen presumably because they were unable to "do" what the church required them to "do" inorder to know and be inline with the catholic God. No intimate relationship ever occurred. All negative information and bashing becomes their very own religion. Otherwise, if it really didn't matter, they really wouldn't care.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 11, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
God this and God that and Christians this and Christians that.
Christians believe in both testaments of the bible.
Although there are thousands of contradictions in the bible, many tenets are consistent. Which of course is logically inconsistent.
Ergo, there is a large consensus of Christian belief regarding jesus, god and acceptable human behavior.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 11, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
you'll notice that most of the bashers are x-catholics.
have you taken a poll? Aren't you also bashing a particular christian religion?
Christians have shed more blood among themselves than all the wars with Islam put together.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 11, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
Right on, Locker! Agree, I think.

And here's a total thread drift ......I miss Blitzo. Yesterday going thru pictures has put him in mind and heart as well as others who are gone from our present lives.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 11, 2014 - 04:18pm PT

Although there are thousands of contradictions in the bible, many tenets are consistent.

Sheeez. OK Satan!
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 11, 2014 - 04:21pm PT

have you taken a poll? Aren't you also bashing a particular christian religion?

Yes.
No. I'm speaking from factual scientific knowledge.
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