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ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Apr 23, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
It means that ordinary people , who obey the law , will now be able to protect themselves in an environment where armed sociopathic lawbreakers currently hold the clear advantage.

The problem is all of those people toting guns, thinking they're "ordinary".

There is a lot of gray area between your sociopaths and ordinary people. IMHO a lot of those in the gray area carry guns for their jobs. Maybe Andy Griffith had it right, make Barney keep his bullet (singular) in his pocket. :-)
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 23, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
There is a lot of gray area between your sociopaths and ordinary people. IMHO a lot of those in the gray area carry guns for their jobs. Maybe Andy Griffith had it right, make Barney keep his bullet (singular) in his pocket. :-)

Clearly the cure for gang violence in Chicago is to convince the cops there to keep a bullet in their top pocket

The problem is all of those people toting guns, thinking they're "ordinary".

My definition of "ordinary" in this context is someone that is not bent on robbing and murdering their fellow citizens .
Sociopaths are starkly different than ordinary people. This is news to some people.
John M

climber
Apr 23, 2014 - 03:33pm PT
So Ward, please be clear. Do you believe that this will deter gun violence? Because as Chaz implies, people would be foolish to use a gun when so many people around them could be armed.

Or is it that you just feel safer if you are allowed to carry a gun?


and by the way.. I am well aware of how many people carry guns around with them. And I'm not necessarily for more gun control.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 23, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
That's right, more guns is the solution. Crikey, it's amazing just how ignorantly gullible people can be.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
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ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Apr 23, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
I was being sarcastic, but the point is that it is just as ridiculous to put guns everywhere in public as it is to make (most) law enforcers put their bullets in their pockets.

I wonder if the majority of law enforcement professionals would support more guns in the public? Maybe in some specific communities, but from the ones I've talked to, they want less firearms, not more on the street.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 23, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
It means that ordinary people , who obey the law , will now be able to protect themselves in an environment where armed sociopathic lawbreakers currently hold the clear advantage.

You mean we get to protect ourselves from Teabagging gun nuts? Sounds good!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 23, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
That's right, more guns is the solution. Crikey, it's amazing just how ignorantly gullible people can be.

They should be instituting more gun control. Like they've done in Chicago.

You mean we get to protect ourselves from Teabagging gun nuts? Sounds good!

What does " tea bagging gun nuts". have to do with the broader issue of gun control?
Oh I get it---that's funny.
Especially coming from an avowed Commie totalitarian.

Don't Communists eventually completely outlaw guns, and other sticky issues ---like religion and freedom of speech?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 23, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
Show me one place where the violent crime rate is driven by "Teabagging gun nuts".

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:01pm PT


Silliness aside, my question is:

Why hasn't Chicago, with some of the strictest gun control in the nation, become a placid paradise of very low gun violence?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
I'm betting 3000 posts in less than 7 days...

And under/overs?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:20pm PT

No more MYTHS

The jury is out, the states with the most gun ownership are the same states with most gun deaths.




The study, published in the American Journal of Public Heath, examines the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) claim that increased gun ownership does not lead to increased gun violence.

It is the largest study conducted to date into the correlation between gun ownership and firearms violence, and the first to comprehensively examine the issue since the tragic shooting last December of 20 children and 7 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.



Covering 30 years (1981-2010) in all 50 states, the report shows a “robust correlation” between estimated levels of gun ownership and actual gun homicides at the state level, even when controlling for factors typically associated with homicides. For each 1 percentage point increase in the prevalence of gun ownership, the state firearm homicide rate increases by 0.9 percent, the authors found.

“Understanding the relationship between the prevalence of gun ownership and therefore the availability of guns, and firearm-related mortality is critical to guiding decisions regarding recently proposed measures to address firearm violence,” the study authors say.

Researchers led by Michael Siegel, professor of community health sciences at the Boston University School of Public Health, examined data for the years 1981-2010 on state firearm homicide rates from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web-Based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (WISQUARS) database.

HOW THE ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED
State levels of gun ownership were estimated using a well-established proxy variable: the percentage of a state’s suicides that are committed with a firearm (FS/S). Because there is no state-level survey that measures household gun ownership, researchers have widely relied upon the FS/S proxy in injury prevention research, and this proxy has been extensively validated in past studies. The proxy correlates highly with survey measures of household firearm ownership, the authors say.

The researchers used regression analysis to examine the relationship between state levels of gun ownership and firearm homicide rates, while controlling for a range of potential state-level confounding variables, including: age, gender, race/ethnicity, urbanization, poverty, unemployment, income, education, divorce rate, alcohol use, violent crime rate, nonviolent crime rate, number of hunting licenses, age-adjusted non-firearm homicide rate, incarceration rate, and suicide rate.

The regression model predicted that each 1 percentage point increase in gun ownership increases a state’s firearm homicide rate by 0.9 percent, translating into a 12.9 percent increase in the gun homicide rate for each one standard deviation increase in gun ownership.

All other factors being equal, for example, the model predicts that if the gun ownership estimate for Mississippi were 58 percent (the average for all states), instead of 77 percent (the highest of all states), its firearm homicide rate would be 17 percent lower.

The results of the research are consistent with previous studies that have demonstrated a correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher levels of firearm homicide.

PUBLIC POLICY IMPLICATIONS?
Siegel notes that the study did not determine causation, allowing that it is theoretically possible that people are more likely to purchase guns if they live in states with higher levels of firearm homicide. But he says the issue warrants further study.

“In the wake of the tragic shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, last year, many states are considering legislation to control firearm-related deaths. This research is the strongest to date to document that states with higher levels of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.

“It suggests that measures which succeed in decreasing the overall prevalence of guns will lower firearm homicide rates,” he says.

http://www.futurity.org/shooting-deaths-states-gun-owners/
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:23pm PT
People who follow the rules can protect themselves and their families from people who don’t follow the rules,
So let's get this clear. Cowman Cliven Bundy's the rule breaker yet the "militias" were protecting him.

It means that ordinary people , who obey the law , will now be able to protect themselves in an environment where armed sociopathic lawbreakers currently hold the clear advantage.
Orwellian conclusion. Who were the armed sociopathic lawbreakers at Ranch Bundy?
No, the "militias" didn't break the law......this time......but they certainly threatened to in defiance of Federal Law. Remember Bundy is the lawbreaker.

The problem with gun controllers is that they don't trust ordinary, law.-abiding people, nor will they make the distinction between the law-abiding and the criminal.
Wrong on both counts.
I trust "ordinary law abiding people" as long as they remain law abiding. I've got plenty of good trustworthy friends who are well armed.
I am perfectly capable of distinguishing between the law-abiding and the criminal.
Too bad you aren't.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:25pm PT
HOW THE ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED
State levels of gun ownership were estimated using a well-established proxy variable: the percentage of a state’s suicides that are committed with a firearm (FS/S). Because there is no state-level survey that measures household gun ownership, researchers have widely relied upon the FS/S proxy in injury prevention research, and this proxy has been extensively validated in past studies. The proxy correlates highly with survey measures of household firearm ownership, the authors say.

What this means is that they didn't have any real numbers to prove their case so they "jimmied " some.
This type of propaganda masquerading as objective science is becoming more and more common in Washington these days.

Meanwhile the facts figures about Chicago , and other gun control fiefdoms, are clear and undisputed and begs the question :
With the strictest gun control in the nation why are these areas awash in gun violence.?
Last weekend in Chicago 8 killed and 44 wounded.


Gerg

Trad climber
Calgary
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:25pm PT
Maybe they just want more people to make bad decisions with a gun that could have been sorted without. Toss them into the walmart prisons.
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StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
The first time I went to Georgia it was legal to have a loaded gun and an open container in your car while driving. They had big barrels of "singles" floating in ice by the door in the gas stations.

We lived in Lawrenceville, GA (affectionately known as Larryville because Larry Flynt was shot and paralyzed at the courthouse there while on trial for pornography by some whacko) for a few years. There were some scary "ordinary" people there.

Under the new law you have to opt out of letting people carry in your bar, rather than vice versa. In the old days they used to ask you not to take your gun into a bar, for obvious reasons.

We are Devo, D-e-v-o
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:31pm PT

StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
Hey Marlow, is it warm?

Between Georgia and Florida they won't need cops any more. The "ordinary" citizens will be able to decide when deadly force is necessary and mete out their own justice.

Sounds like a big improvement...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:38pm PT
The correlation between gun deaths and private firearms ownership holds across nations.
Two years ago I collected international gun death data and guns/person data.

I then plotted the data. The correlation is both visually obvious and the correlation coefficient Rsquared is 0.8 which is extraordinarily high.

So let's make it even easier for your "sociopaths" to get guns. It will make you feel safer.
thebravecowboy

climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
Apr 23, 2014 - 04:38pm PT
you'z guys is like a bunch of....[Click to View YouTube Video]
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