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Sanskara

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 11:45pm PT
Not to mention if that Dem happen be African American..

Oh yes this has nothing to do with guns rac or anything else of the sort.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/03/11/rush-limbaugh-admits-republicans-refuse-work-obama-black.html

All you right wingers have flown off your rockers the last six years making your voice so loud as you are all threatened. Threatened simply by the color of a mans skin. In your simple misguided little minds you feel you for some reason are supposed be better than if simply and if only on account of the pigmentation off your stupid skin and because your sick ass parents probably raised you up such a way.


Gene

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 11:46pm PT
Something to do with an agreement that was made back in the the early 1900's with the state & federal govt and the "The Stock-Raising Homestead Act of 1916". The original family consisted of over 46 families in the Bundy clan that settled the area in the late 1880's when it was all "open range".

Wiki says:
The Stock-Raising Homestead Act of 1916 provided settlers 640 acres (260 ha) of public land—a full section or its equivalent—for ranching purposes. Unlike the Homestead Act of 1862 or the Enlarged Homestead Act of 1909, land homesteaded under the 1916 act separated surface rights from subsurface rights, resulting in what later became known as split estates.[1] The subsurface rights, also known as mineral rights, are the foundation of recent oil and gas law in the United States.[1]
Under the act no cultivation of lands was required, but some range improvements were mandated as necessary.[citation needed]

OK. The 600,000 acres in controversy are 937.5 sections or squares. 20 square miles per family in the clan. Cool. If the rancher and his clan acquired clear title to the land through the Stock-Raising Homestead Act of 1916, why is it now BLM land? How’d that happen? Did BLM acquire it through eminent domain? That would have required ’just compensation’ as mandated by the Constitution. Did BLM shred the docs? Did the rancher and clan ever get fee title?

Rancher hasn’t paid rent since when, 1993? What was the arrangement prior to that? Not being argumentative, just trying to understand the story behind the hysteria.

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climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 11, 2014 - 11:56pm PT
Agreed Cheif

for once.

The BLM is on very shaky legal ground in the first place. Those grazing rights were granted under FDR. It's still in court and the BLM is jumping the gun bigtime.. it's happened before.

But this time I think it's gonna cost them.

The media is doing a terrible job explaining the ranchers rights.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 11, 2014 - 11:56pm PT
Both incidents were declared total failures by the ensuing investigations on the part of the Federal agencies involved that handled them the way they did.

Psst also declared total failure by the idiots that got their asses handed to them and fu ckin died for their delusional beliefs and batsh*t crazy behavior
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 11, 2014 - 11:59pm PT
What happened in the election of '94?
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:04am PT
Ruby Ridge/Waco; code for "I'm an extremist nut job".
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:06am PT
You guys forget how quickly the feds coordinated the shutdown nationwide of the occupy movement. here for a few months and then GONE in a few days.. hmm..Once the decision was made and peices in place..boom.. lotta heads got beat pretty fast in that one.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:10am PT
Lock up the crazy rancher and any nut job militia wacko who gets in the way.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:14am PT
sick of hearing about 'Waco' and 'Ruby'

what about this this sh*t f*#kers?


yeah that's what I thought...
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:14am PT
While I am no fan of the ridiculous political support the right wing militia types give to republicons.. I am in admiration of one thing they have gotten correct.

America is no longer the land of the free. It's not even in the top 100. It is a police state on par with China or Russia.

Its sad they have no idea why this is but I admire their determination to stand up.

Wanna know why his nation is a mess.

It's a corporate state that only represents the interest of wealth. Our politicians have more sponsors than NASCAR.

Your vote means nothing as the deck is stacked long before you go to the polls.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:26am PT
Basically Bundy is insisting that the Feds honor their contract.

There is some other legal stuff involved from the FDR administration too Cheif..Basically Bundy has a lot of legal ground to stand on.. and the BLM has circumvented the court system as I understand it. They seem to figure that if they act first and destroy him then it's harder for the courts to reverse the siuation since what is done is done.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:31am PT
McVeigh, an American militia movement sympathizer who was a Gulf War veteran, had detonated an explosive-filled Ryder rental truck parked in front of the building. McVeigh's co-conspirator, Terry Nichols, had assisted in the bomb preparation. Motivated by his hatred of the federal government and angered by what he perceived as its mishandling of the 1993 Waco siege and the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992, McVeigh timed his attack to coincide with the second anniversary of the deadly fire that ended the siege at Waco.

Siding with terrorists...you disgust me.

Oh but all those innocent victims totally deserved it for what the faultless Branch Davidians and the poor misunderstood white supremacist gun nuts endured at the hands of the evil law enforcement agencies.

Fu ck off KYS
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:32am PT
Yep we better shut down Vegas..According to BLM logic.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:40am PT
Once again, let me show what a wonderful steward of the public land, the lying old tax-cheater has been.



Here's a summary of this tax-cheater's right-wing history: https://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/in-nevada-delicate-20-year-standoff-with-blm-ends-in-a-tense-roundup


It was the tortoise that kicked off the saga in 1993, when the BLM modified the terms of Bundy’s Bunkerville grazing allotment to protect the animal after it was listed as threatened under the Endangered Species Act.

Bundy refused to comply with the new terms, so the BLM cancelled his permit to no effect.

In 1997, Clark County purchased all active grazing permits in the area in accordance with the new federal Desert Tortoise Recovery Plan and the county’s own Desert Conservation Program, offering Bundy compensation for water rights and range improvements on his former allotment.

Bundy rejected the offer.

In 1999, the Nevada District Court permanently banned Bundy from grazing cattle in the area, ordering him to remove them or face a $200 penalty per cow per day. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction.

Between 2008 and 2011, the BLM cancelled Bundy’s remaining range improvement authorizations.

In 2011 Bundy ignored several court orders, including a notice of impoundment. Over the next two years, the BLM aerially counted first 903, then 729, then 600, then 750 head of cattle, nearly all suspected to belong to Bundy, on land closed to grazing.

Sigh.

The shisthead Mormon Rancher is still likely going to get away with all this, but no-one I respect is supporting him.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:45am PT
Bundy rejected the offer.

Thus no contract was entered and bundy maintains his original contract rights.

crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:46am PT
Lock him up.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:46am PT
The government should just sell that land, Fritz. Then it would be someone else's problem. What use does the government have with all that scrub desert?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:52am PT
So what we have here is a truly complex legal issue and the BLM jumping the gun before any final court decisions.

It's almost like some corporate executive is running the BLM.. ie lets do this action, then once it's screwed up too far to fix we let the courts decide. Plus it's not like we will get fined for taking action against Bundy.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:59am PT
Yeah: Great land there for Chaz & The Chief!

Maybe you could buy it on "the cheap" when the Republicans sell off all those illegal Federal lands, and then you could starve some more cattle on it, like your new hero Bundy.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 12, 2014 - 01:15am PT
Not paying rent isn't a felony. It's not even a misdemeanor.

It's a civil matter. Not a criminal case.
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