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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 8, 2017 - 08:14am PT
My Grandmother called it "typical June weather".

It could be 110* - or hailing - it's typical June weather.

Rained good here in Petaluma overnight.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 8, 2017 - 04:03pm PT
July and August is when we normally see the Lamb Hass (my principal crop). My neighbor was picking his Hass crop when I left town last week. Normally those come in around the middle or end of winter, like around the Super Bowl.

We had a very hot June last year that pretty much ruined the season for Lamb Hass. Temps are seasonal - for now - so it looks like we might be back on track, once the Hass trees figure it out.

No more Petaluma weather reports from me. I'm at the Point Arena Lighthouse tonight. High winds and clouds here. Looks like it rained last night.

http://www.northcoastaviation.com/pt_arena/point_arena_west_full.htm
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 16, 2017 - 09:27am PT
I agree, DMT.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 16, 2017 - 02:50pm PT
Geez...the temperature here is 79 and I'm hiding in the shade.
John M

climber
Jun 16, 2017 - 07:05pm PT
We have an excessive heat warning until June 22.


...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 11 AM PDT /11 AM
MST/ SATURDAY TO 11 PM PDT /11 PM MST/ THURSDAY...



June 23 is predicted to be 117

guess that doesn't qualify as excessive here.


LOL..

today was 111. Not excessive either. heh heh
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 20, 2017 - 07:57am PT
It's supposed to hit the low 80s in Seattle this weekend.

WHEN'S IT GOING TO END???

L.A. TV News has been bitching about *June Gloom* all month. Now, the same people are bitching about the heat.
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Jun 20, 2017 - 09:06am PT
I always love June Gloom but you always know that when it ends the first heat wave is gonna get you. Besides 100 in the SFV isn't that bad. It doesn't really suck until it gets over 105.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 20, 2017 - 09:12am PT
They get the same thing in Seattle - morning clouds turning to afternoon sunshine. Their TV Weatherman doesn't call it June Gloom. He says it's nature's air conditioner.

On L.A. TV, it's "when is this June Gloom going to end?" FIRE SEASON! That's when. You want that? Nobody ever died of June Gloom, unless they were pushed to suicide by popular media too stupid to count their goddamn blessings.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 7, 2017 - 09:02pm PT
Download full report at:

https://law.ucla.edu/centers/environmental-law/emmett-institute-on-climate-change-and-the-environment/publications/surface-water-storage/


While there has been a great deal of research and debate over the environmental impacts and cost effectiveness of surface water storage projects, there has been little consideration of the more fundamental question of their practical feasibility—in particular, the time required from project initiation to completion. This is critically important, for it will determine when and if these projects actually make a difference to water users. This report fills that gap, detailing the time commitment associated with designing, analyzing, and implementing recent major surface water storage projects.

Our key finding is that most major surface water storage projects seriously considered since 2000 have not been completed and may never be.

Among the eight projects evaluated in California since 2000, only two have been completed. Both of those expanded already existing storage facilities and still required about twelve years for permitting, approvals, and planning, followed by about two years for project construction. Including the other CALFED projects still under consideration, recent major surface storage projects have required almost fifteen years (and counting) for the permitting and analysis phase. No new major surface storage facility has been constructed in the state during this timeframe, despite millions spent on feasibility studies and environmental documentation.

These long project timelines reflect the multiple assessments and permitting requirements necessary to ensure the feasibility, safety, and financial viability of the storage facilities. Many different laws and political/financial concerns contribute to the long timelines, meaning that there is no silver bullet for shortening schedules. And it would be inadvisable for other reasons to remove any of these requirements.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Jul 8, 2017 - 05:53am PT
Looks like the permitting/studying industry is extremely lucrative. We're GREAT at producing those--and not much else. Good grief!

BAd
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 13, 2017 - 09:41pm PT
https://www.ioes.ucla.edu/article/getting-bottom-l-s-future-water-supply/?utm_source=UCLA+Institute+of+the+Environment+and+Sustainability&utm_campaign=77837d97da-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_07_13&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_01b64019e5-77837d97da-231153301&mc_cid=77837d97da&mc_eid=903582cf86

**
Getting to the bottom of L.A.’s future water supply**
UCLA researchers created a comprehensive model to find out how L.A. County can reduce its reliance on imported water.
Carbo

Trad climber
Too far south
Jul 14, 2017 - 02:42pm PT
They should get used to using less water if Owens valley gets their way

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-owens-valley-eminent-domain-20170712-story.html
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 14, 2017 - 05:07pm PT
This would be the death of Owens Valley.

They get vast amounts of support from LA. The shortage of water has been the primary retardant on massive scale development on the Eastside.

When the rents double and triple, where are the current residents going to live?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2017 - 06:03pm PT
This would be the death of Owens Valley.
Independence, and Big Pine are already looking pretty bleak, and I believe that Bishop is losing population.

They get vast amounts of support from LA.

How so?

The shortage of water has been the primary retardant on massive scale development on the Eastside.

Not true.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 15, 2017 - 09:12am PT
DWP has an army of lawyers and the full resources to drag any case on forever...Good luck Inyo..
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2017 - 09:47pm PT
How so?

I think LA has spent over a billion $ on dust mitigation on Owens Lake, including areas that were never underwater. That supported a LOT of jobs in the region.

LADWP employs significant people in the Owens valley.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2017 - 09:52pm PT
I think I posted this link before, but here is a new posting. This is from an anonymous person who works in the State water bureaucracy. They give an "insiders view" of things.

https://onthepublicrecord.org/author/onthepublicrecord/

Watching a progressive water platform for the San Joaquin Valley take shape.


I am seeing more local newspaper op-eds opposing the San Joaquin Valley water dogma than I ever have before. Part of it is about replacing Nunes, but it also opens the door for new ways of thinking about water If this is the work of the local resistance, you guys are doing a great job. They are feeling the pressure.

The longstanding water dogma of the San Joaquin Valley has been narrow. The premise is that farmers need more (extracted from the environment), and the only other lens for water policy is farmworker jobs. I don’t pay as much attention to the water quality news stories, but I don’t remember many of them from the Valley before 2011-2016 drought, even during the 2006-2009 drought. Post drought, I’m seeing a few topics emerge:

Drinking water supply in rural Valley towns. (Related: longstanding racism, paying for ongoing O&M for water treatment, nitrates in the groundwater, arsenic standards, special district consolidations). This is getting well-deserved attention, primarily because of the local organizing done over the past several years.

Urban water quality in Fresno, particularly fear of lead poisoning.

SGMA implementation, including the formation of water markets and who will have access when Groundwater Sustainability Plans are being written.

Having living rivers in the region, with access for everybody.

These are all relatively undeveloped issues, from a statewide policy perspective.

I am sure locals have been aware and working on these for decades, but at my remove, I haven’t heard anything on water policy out of the San Joaquin Valley besides the standard clichés.

Further, these issues are tremendously susceptible to the wonder powers of the progressive left: community organizing, developing policy based on science, and throwing money at problems.

Imagine if Nunes and Valdao had spent any effort on these or had brought home any money towards these objectives? The few issues they have harped on for years are deadlocked; the discussion around them played to exhaustion.

I am inspired by the new themes emerge in the Fresno Bee, the Visalia Times-Delta, the Hanford Sentinel. I greatly admire Lois Henry’s work at Bakersfield.com.

The local community organizing on drinking water done during the drought is bearing fruit now.

There are concrete bills and proposals that California can implement (imagine if the State had constructive local Congressmembers to work with). The Resistance to Trump is opening new arenas for progressive work on Valley water. I love to see it. Please let me know if I can help.

There are a number of hyperlinks in the actual article at that website.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 23, 2017 - 11:02am PT
Long foreseeable.

Three weeks after the tunnels received a crucial green light from federal environmental regulators, the $17.1 billion project got a cool reception from nearly 100 growers who farm in the powerful Westlands Water District. Provided with detailed financial projections at a Westlands board meeting for the first time, the farmers suggested they aren’t ready to sign onto the plan.

Investment bankers from Goldman Sachs & Co. said debt repayment could balloon farmers’ water costs to as much as $495 an acre-foot under the most expensive scenario, or about triple what Westlands growers currently pay. …

“My initial thought, right off the bat, is no way this will work,” the tomato and almond farmer said in an interview. “Those numbers might work for a city, Metropolitan and them. For a farmer, none of the crops that I grow can support these numbers.”

I am sorry these farmers are only hearing about these estimates now. The cost range for this water has been available knowledge for half a decade now. We’ve known for years that tunnel water wouldn’t be agricultural water.

This is another illustration of how dedication to ideology over reality is penalizing the conservative farmers of the San Joaquin Valley. The rough price range for water out of the Delta tunnels has been known for almost a decade. Wise district managers should have relayed this reality to their farmers. Messrs. Neve and Bourdeau should not be learning about this now.

Instead, the leadership at Westlands continued to pander to the fantasy of additional new low cost water. Over the years they’ve paid millions into the BDCP planning effort. (In the end, that may end up being a subsidy for the cities that can take water from a small tunnel alternative.) I don’t know why Westlands management didn’t explain to their farmers years ago that it was time to cut their losses. One unflattering possibility is that they were more willing to throw their growers’ money at a project that wasn’t going to deliver ag water than they were to challenge the conservative water management philosophy of the region. Another unflattering possibility is that the district managers and lobbyists enjoy the lifestyle that their growers support, and aren’t going to tell them unpleasant truths until they absolutely must. Either would explain bringing in outsiders from Goldman Sachs to explain the real costs of the Delta tunnels. In either explanation, the management and leadership at Westlands aren’t working in their growers’ best interests. Even if their growers demand it, perpetuating the fantasy of additional low cost water will not give them the knowledge they need to plan for their farms in the long term.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 5, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
regarding the issue of dams (surface water storage):

https://law.ucla.edu/centers/environmental-law/emmett-institute-on-climate-change-and-the-environment/publications/surface-water-storage/?utm_source=Fall+2017+Newsletter+&utm_campaign=Fall+2016+Newsletter&utm_medium=email

Dams MAY be a solution, but they are certainly not a quick solution.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 9, 2018 - 06:37pm PT
State missed problems that led to Oroville Dam near-disaster, report finds

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/State-missed-problems-that-led-to-Oroville-Dam-12476316.php
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