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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 23, 2017 - 11:54am PT

Monica Almeida/The New York Times

Last week, the State Senate leader, Kevin de León, quietly introduced legislation that would require California to get all of its electricity from solar, wind and other renewable sources by 2045.

The proposal significantly raises the bar set in 2015 when Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation that aims for 50 percent use of renewables by 2030.

We asked a few energy experts for their reactions to the plan.

• Is the timeline plausible?
It’s “ambitious,” said Felix Mormann, a faculty fellow at Stanford’s Steyer–Taylor Center for Energy Policy and Finance. “But not implausible.”
“Last year, Germany was able to briefly meet 95 percent of the country’s electricity demand with renewables,” Mr. Mormann said. “But such peak events are still a long way from weaning an entire energy economy off all nonrenewable energy on a permanent basis.”

• What are the biggest challenges?
Cost is one, said Ethan Elkind, director of the climate program at U.C. Berkeley’s Center for Law, Energy and the Environment.
“Prices are coming down in all these technologies,” he said. “But we wouldn’t know how much it would cost. We also presumably would have to retire some existing power plants, so the ratepayer impacts are unknown.”
Another challenge is energy storage.
A total reliance on renewable energy would require a major expansion of storage capacity for those times when the wind dies down and the sun fades, said Sadrul Ula, managing director of U.C. Riverside’s Winston Chung Global Energy Center.
“Lithium batteries offer good potential,” he said. “But they’re still not there.”

• Is Mr. de León’s legislation encouraging?
Yes, said Dr. Ula, because it would essentially set the table for innovation.
“Without that, we don’t discuss it. We don’t have a target,” he added. “Resources and development don’t get channeled unless there is a goal post.”
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 23, 2017 - 11:57am PT

On Catalina, the Drought Is Far From Over

By MIKE MCPHATE

Catalina’s Wrigley Reservoir sat empty. To conserve water officials have been relying almost entirely on desalination plants.
Catalina’s Wrigley Reservoir sat empty. To conserve water officials have been relying almost entirely on desalination plants.

For many Californians, the drought now feels long gone.
According to the latest figures from the United States Drought Monitor, just 24 percent of the state remains under “moderate drought” conditions or worse. This time last year, it was about 95 percent.

But not everyone is rejoicing.

On Catalina Island, just off the Southern California coast, water scarcity is so severe that residents still rely almost entirely on a pair of desalination plants.

Catalina is home to population of 4,000 or so people and a beach playground for roughly a million annual visitors. Residents and businesses have had to contend with mandatory water rationing since 2013.

Surrounded by ocean, the island has a major disadvantage to the rest of California: It can’t tap the melting Sierra Nevada snow that sustains mainland farms and cities during the warm months.

That’s why officials have tightly restricted the use of Catalina’s main water source: an aquifer connected to the interior Middle Ranch Reservoir. The drumbeat of winter storms has helped to replenish the reservoir, but as of last week it was still only roughly a quarter full — and summer is looming.


Residents have taken creative measures to conserve water, such as washing dishes in the shower.

A herd of American bison, introduced to the island during the filming of a movie in the 1920s, has been hit by the drought. Conservationists added water troughs for the animals.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 23, 2017 - 12:03pm PT
Photo essay on Catalina:

https://www.newsdeeply.com/water/articles/2017/02/13/photo-essay-california-island-and-tourist-hotspot-copes-with-drought
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 23, 2017 - 12:33pm PT
You had to go offshore to find alarmist news about the permanent cali drought. What's next Ken? Are you going to find it under water next?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 24, 2017 - 07:43pm PT
Scores of northeastern U.S. cities just had their warmest February ever recorded

Seems like that was the yardstick you used to measure change, and because there were not new records, there was nothing to worry about.


Oooops!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 24, 2017 - 07:55pm PT
Give it a break Ken M.
EdBannister

Mountain climber
13,000 feet
Feb 24, 2017 - 08:15pm PT
Rick, do not expect reason or logic from Ken M, much less fairness, or even less likely an acknowledgement of truth.

they are so committed to their religion they cannot admit that 23,000 CFS does not equal 10,000 CFS have a look at the Yosemite to flood thread. and they also could not admit that when the prediction was 23.3 feet and i said less than 17, both four days prior, they could not admit that it was wrong....
some even still insisted it was correct!!!! yes after the fact!! failure to see the facts.

Notice without a blink Ken went from precipitation, the subject by the way, to temperature on the far side of the continent. Weather is Variable that is why it has a different name than climate.
So, highs and lows must exist, but he takes the highs and tenders them as if it were climate..


So back to reality, Catalina has not recovered yet, but the state now enjoys mostly full reservoirs and 200%+ normal snowpack. and, the leftists in Sacramento will not declare the "emergency" over because it would mean a return to normal legislative process instead of emergency powers.

and i repeat:
8.9% of the state's water budget is urban use, that is residential and commercial other than agriculture.
52% of the state's water use is agricultural.

If urban use is cut 20% it still totals only 2% of the state's water...
Ask Diane Feinstein what percent of the state's water is wasted to preserve a smelt, that is not native to the state! It totals more than all the conservation efforts! Or ask her, if we want to do a Ken, how her husband's train company is doing since he somehow got a contract for a fast train in the less irrigated central valley...
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Feb 24, 2017 - 09:48pm PT
Drove by Owens Lake the other day, and was pleasantly surprised to see it indeed look like a lake (water, shores etc etc).
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:08am PT
TGT wrote on 2/24/2017:
The NE will return to normal frigidity tomorrow.

but in keeping with his reluctance to understand any of the science behind weather or climate, he missed his prediction...
...we can actually check...
of course he didn't provide a range of possible temps, of course, nor define "NE," or maybe that his SoCal existence defines "normal frigidity" as 57ºF, which I am totally willing to accept in his defense.

I won't address rick sumner's criticism of the validity of NOAA data.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:19am PT
a good read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_California

brings up many questions to the various points raised by the few contentious posters to this thread, and provides links to additional resources
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:26am PT
in addition to the subsides received by the agricultural sector for water use (they pay far less for water than anyone else in the state) there is the support by the rate-payers to provide adequate energy infrastructure for pumping ground water.

the energy required to pump water can be as much as 20% of the state's annual energy consumption in dry years. to meet this demand, the energy suppliers have to either provide capacity, or find the energy on the market. It is not clear how the CA energy rate structure amortizes the cost of supplying this energy.

one would expect, in a wet year like this one is going to be, that the demand for that energy will be greatly reduced, and that the cost of energy in the state will be considerably less. my suspicion is that this will not happen...

finally, when addressing the "end of the drought" one has to consider the drawing down of the ground water supply... while the most visible indication of the end of drought may be the flooded plains north of Sacramento (so much for federal flood control), and the over filled reservoir system, the unseen indication is the greatly depleted underground water.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:35am PT
If demand for electricity goes down, rates are going up.

You saw what just happened when we cut our water use through conservation: Water rates went up.

Why not? If you're making water flow uphill you may as well reverse the laws of supply and demand while you're at it.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:35am PT
weather is Variable, that is why it has a different name than climate

newflash: over time, climate varies
monolith

climber
state of being
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:50am PT
newsflash: scope and scale matter

The forcings that man is having on climate are much larger than natural forcings such as Milankovitch cycles.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:41am PT
Seems difficult to observe climate variances when you're inside watching Fox news 24/7...?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 25, 2017 - 01:19pm PT
Slow day, eh Ed? Not like you to troll for arguments.

Relax, the weather will eventually stabilize closer to the california pattern you've grown to depend on. In the meantime go find an indoor plastic offwidth.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Apr 19, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
hey there say, dingus... thanks for the link... :)
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Apr 20, 2017 - 10:26am PT
Thanks Dingus- that's a great website, new to me.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Apr 20, 2017 - 04:11pm PT
DMT, very interesting article, the first I've seen addressing restoration of aquifer loss....and an interesting site.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Apr 20, 2017 - 06:42pm PT
DMT rocks...The west side ambassador...
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