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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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I say get some facts to back up the claim of plagiarism.
If he has the facts, when it comes time to get his walking papers he can point to the evidence and say "look, no teacher/professor in their right mind would allow this behavior"
also, if he can get the dean to put his demand to stand down on paper, he might even be able to take him down as well.
To be sure, he still has options, IMO
he can pass the paper, and know deep down that rich pussies get what they want in this life, and moral stands mean nothing...
or he could say the paper can be re-written, just for the cheater, in front of the entire class, just to rub the nose of the dean and the father in it (also, while he still has a job, he should go out and get a T-shirt made with a logo or saying on it to the effect of "Cheaters always lose, or only losers cheat" or something
He could ask the class what they think, or take a vote in the class to see what the youth of America think if fair...
or he can flop, turn his back on the dean, the father, waive the dumb-ass kid through the univ and keep his job
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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This is a great life story of what to do when faced with a major decision that can make you into who you want to be or just another person.
My theory: One must build a life foundation. This consists of basic beliefs that you will live by and make decisions by. These are the most important things you believe and you must adhere to, to be the person you want to be in your journey around the planet. When you create a sound life foundation you can then build a beautiful life on it. If storms come and the building crashes....you still have your solid foundation to build back upon.
I hope this makes sense. It's late and I'm tired....but this Totally Works. Peace, Love and Joy....lynnie
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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“Depending on whose version you hear, opinions about Richard Jensen range from calling him an irreplaceable intellectual and spiritual asset whose loss would be tragic, to a devastatingly divisive David Koresh-like cult leader at war with the church who needs to be terminated as soon as possib.”
This is a quote from page 12 of a back issue of Adventist Today (found by a quick google search, provoked in turn by this bizarre thread):
http://atoday.com/files/Jan-Feb%202001_1.pdf
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Morgan
Trad climber
East Coast
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Sounds like this dean is a total prick. Firing is already on his mind. So your friend gives in and lets the student slide, but then he gets fired anyway. How will he feel then?
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Prezwoodz
Big Wall climber
Anchorage
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I admire this man already. I would try to have a meeting with her father. See if he is a more reasonable man. Maybe she went home and said he just didn't like it or her so he gave her an F. Who knows the kind of lies that she may be spewing. People like her make me sick. People like the principle also make me sick. If he gives in then he will lose his integrity and perhaps will begin to wonder why he is teaching at all. It may seem small but remember that he has made it his life, not just because he wants to be in a classroom but because he wants to do something useful for society and to teach. If he can't teach one girl and two apparent adults that cheating is not the way then what good is he doing in the first place? I say stick with it.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Morgan asked:
So your friend gives in and lets the student slide, but then he gets fired anyway. How will he feel then?
It's not quite that simple. The Adventist Today article (it's a great read by the way) relates that
"the student retracted the
confession of guilt on the basis of intimidation."
The article also states that Walla Walla University has become "a deeply wounded
and divided camp" as a result of this controversy.
The professor's skills and popularity are not in doubt. He is described as brilliant, charismatic, etc.
Trivial stuff in and of itself. This is a climbing forum. But so much of climbing depends on honesty and full disclosure. There has been honesty here, but it appears full disclosure is lacking, or slow in emerging.
Are there some parallels with the WoS debate here, one asks?
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dfrost7
Social climber
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Going through this right now, myself. Different version, still having to do with Admin and teacher stuff. More than gray areas.
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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My response is; stand his ground give her the zero and to tell to her to think for herself . And expose the whole mess to the alumni the media and the world. NO FREE Pass. If you bend the rules once, you will have to bend them again and agian… and it will never stop! He is a Professor not a politician. In the end you have to live with yourself. Integrity is everything as a teacher, and in life.
Dogtown.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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If it was me I'd have had everything on
HD video from the hidden cam in my office.
The rich daughters confessing to plagiarism
and the Dean's instructions to let it slide.
with that leverage I'd be tenured for life
and if the School called my bluff the story
would be in all the papers and on the evening news
and the Dean would be out of his job and the
rich daughters family embarrassed.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Sounds like he need to call 20/20... or threaten to do so.
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crossman04
Trad climber
san diego, ca
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So what did your friend ever decide to do? (now that someone resurrected this 3 year old post)
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 28, 2009 - 10:20pm PT
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Yes, but you are inured to the oppression of Stalinist Soviet Union and the knowledge that the Gulag is the final destination for you if you object. I mean, that's what you're trip was. I read The Gulag Archipelago, and that's how you roll.
Right?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
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Ah! This old chestnut. You know this is a true life story, right? That it took place some years ago, that this thread is some years old, and that the friend is a poster here on McTopo?
Do you also know that the answer of what actually happened is later revealed in a subsequent post above? The only "urgency" in the post is that the person in question was getting libelled rather viciously simultaneously in a concurrent post.
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Lee Bow
Trad climber
wet island
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aww Pete, why clarify anything...I was having such fun watching this bizzare thread drift on the WOS thing...
By the way the whole WOS thing is my absolute favorite of all time. I have no idea what the real TRUTH is, but I've followed ever bit of it. Of course I also think driving video stock cars around in circles for five hundred laps is good fun too.
Cheers, from the'hour glass end'
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