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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Jun 20, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
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Now that my hip has totally degenerated (yay replacement surgery soon!), my knee is acting up. I concur with the weak hip, jacked knee theory. CS and GS did nothing for me and turmeric is a double edged sword, my joints like it, my gut says FUQ. Fish oil works too. Gonna have to try this MSM stuff. Yoga and the therapy pool are really helpful. Last resort, Vitamin Vic.
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OR
Trad climber
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Jun 20, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
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Truth about the gut thing^^^^ Good god, I almost went to the emergency room thinking I had some some serious issue like an ulcer untill my friend told me to quit the GS. awful for me.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 20, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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Joint issues/pain subside completely at one's passing.....hang tough!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 20, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
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In 2006 the NIH funded a 12.5 million dollar, multicenter study. They found NO significant difference between those taking glucosamine and those taking a placebo.
Never trust anecdotal evidence from friends.
Careful.
Placebos commonly produce a significant response about 30% of the time, compared with doing nothing.
So if a treatment is equivalent to placebo, that does not make an argument for doing nothing, which has a response rate of ZERO.
Another issue: Physical therapy done well for such problems is not a process where the PT brings you in and does stuff, commonly referred to as Passive Physical Therapy. The good stuff is where they evaluate your mechanics and show you how to do things better, teach you the right exercises for the problem........and you do them ON YOUR OWN, not in their offices.
After all, you aren't going to live your life at the PT office. You will be in the real world, and you need real world activities to make your life better.
PT doesn't always work, and there are situations where special equipment is necessary to do the work, but for the most part, good PT regimens evaluate, design a program, teach the program, and get you out the door.
You actually have to do the work.
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sween345
climber
back east
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Jun 20, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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donini,
Are you speaking from personal experience or are you offering us hearsay testimony?
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wicoxfreedom
Sport climber
Anoka, MN
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As others have mentioned, I noticed a BIG effectiveness gap between the cheapo, generic, bulk, box store brands of Glucosamine as compared to a more "top-of-the-line" specialist brand. It rings of the whole, you get what you pay for.
But true, I am no scientist, so take it for what its worth.
WD40-for-Joints
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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My wife has made the effort more than once to get me started on Glucosamine.
For one thing it is expensive, and I have known for years that extensive test have revealed little or NO value, but she continues to harp on the subject.
I'm going to save the link to your article and have her read it.
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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I hear viagra helps...what? Oh sorry...wrong forum.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Tarbuster:
I have tight illio tibial bands (outside hip to knee area), which cause poor patellar tracking thus patellar tendinitis. Which hurts.
I have a styrofoam foam roller which works wonders.
I'm in the same boat. Caused by lots of skiing maybe?
Another thing that helps for patellar tracking is strengthening the inside head of the quadriceps, the teardrop shaped part. Doing leg presses or squats in a duck stance (toes out) works 'em.
For creaky knees my doc told me that's often from beating on your knee caps. You can't fix them but can try to keep them from getting worse. He said stay off them, e.g. don't go installing a hard wood floor on them.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Nov 22, 2016 - 09:14am PT
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I'm on board. I'll take the placebo effect, if that's all it is.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Nov 22, 2016 - 10:45am PT
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Several orthopedic surgeons have told me that it might help and certainly won't hurt.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Nov 22, 2016 - 11:10am PT
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You actually have to do the work.
Ken M is right on and it is the only way..
I have a separated left shoulder, no ACL in my right knee(I am a coper) and shoulder issues stemming (pun intended) from climbing and MTB/Moto accidents. I visited a very good PT here in town in the 2000 for my knee and again in 2015 for a new knee injury and shoulder issues. I do PT 4-5 times a week at the gym and and at home. I have an old kids jungle gym in the yard that is awesome for all things: static, hangs, angled hangs and stretching.
Edit: I forgot to add..
I do take TissueRejuvinator from Hammer and have Indian food a couple times a week. I don't do the pain killer stuff for anything chronic, unless it's chronic...
Most of my PT exercises focus on my hips and feet/ankles. I still do hella squats cuz I love the buzz and appetite I get from a good sesh.
You also have to be consistent with your WO's. This summer I got stressed at work and commuted by bike less as well as only hitting the gym 3-4 times a month for 3 months...damn, that was stupid! I am still trying to get back some of my knee health and strength. My knees will creak a bit here and there and given that ski season is right around the corner, I'll probably just do the Nordy route till 2017. I hear West Y. is shaping up nicely!
Clode reminded me of something...I had a neighbor who had a dog with crappy joints and the vet Rx'd his dog glucosamine and chondroitin and he said that after his dog began the Rx it had began to run and play more and was obviously exhibiting signs of relief, so he started taking his dogs pills and they seemed to work for him as well. Anyway, the dog obviously had no clue that it was taking something for it's joints...
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clode
Trad climber
portland, or
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Nov 22, 2016 - 11:16am PT
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After decades of tennis, bicycling, backpacking, climbing, etc., my knees are the joints most prone to discomfort after a workout. I started taking glucosamine with chondroitin decades ago. I started with three capsules a day for a month, then I tapered back to a maintenance dose of one per day. When I stop taking them, the very next day I notice knee pain right away. It works for me, and without any apparent side effects.
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