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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 7, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
For most that I know, vegetarianism is an ethical issue first and foremost. I still eat meat, I actually ate red meat for the first time in two months today. Not the best experience, though I was craving it and it tasted great.

We are omnivores, but when science and understanding of health progresses to a point where we don't need meat to maintain a healthy, balanced diet, I'm left wondering why I even dabble in meat.

Yeah, it tastes great when prepared well. But, so do so many other things that weren't mammals before they were consumed.

I'll continue to eat meat on a rare occasion for the time being, but savory delicious food can be found from plants just as easily as it can from animals.


I'm pretty sure that it's cultural conditioning. Try a veggie diet for a week and check back. Legumes, grains, veggies, there are so many amazing flavors to show your palate. You may miss chewing on a piece of meat, but like I said, it's cultural conditioning.
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
it's cultural conditioning.

Archaeologists and evolutionary biologists would disagree.
Science!
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121004093508.htm
karen roseme

Mountain climber
Bishop
Aug 8, 2014 - 01:21pm PT
No Animal should live like this!

Credit: karen roseme

How could any animal living in these conditions be healthy for you to eat?
jammer

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
^^^

I could not agree more, and the "grain as an inefficient use" argument is a good one to use against such facilities from a purely economic standpoint.

It is in no way, however, a coherent argument for not sustainably raising livestock for human consumption, especially places like NFS and BLM land, since it assumes that somehow all the land currently being used to raise food could all be converted to diverse agricultural food production with no apparent drawbacks.

That being said, I am all for getting rid of factory farmed meat and using the agricultural land used to grow the factory animals food for raising crops for direct human consumption instead. The meat produced by those animals in those circumstances is downright unhealthy anyway. For economic reasons, those animals don't eat the right food for them, so the meat and fat which constitutes them is not the normal stuff for those animals. Plus they have to load them with anti-biotics to keep them from getting sick in those close quarters with their weakened immune systems brought about by eating an unhealthy diet. Then there is the raw pollution brought about by the animal waste (no plumbing there), which the animals essentially live in.....

I personally eat meat generally once a day, usually 1/4-1/3 of a pound of grass fed beef or other meat from animals that lived a life that effectively mimicked the natural environment with me and other people as the expressed and explicit "predators". I get the rest of my protein from eggs, dairy, and vegetable sources.
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Aug 8, 2014 - 02:50pm PT
Excellent resource for finding local grass fed meat,eggs and dairy with sustainable farming practices.

http://www.eatwild.com/
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Aug 8, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
No Animal should live like this!

Looks like California.



karen roseme

Mountain climber
Bishop
Aug 8, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
Nice link Goatboy

Credit: karen roseme

These are veal crates.
Most of these calves will stay in these crates their entire lives until they are slaughtered to make veal



Credit: karen roseme

Indications are that calves confined in crates experience "chronic stress" & require more medication than calves living in more spacious conditions, thereby making veal the most likely meat to contain drug residues

Credit: karen roseme

Credit: karen roseme
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Aug 8, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
I don't know anyone that eats veal. What's your point Karen?
Are you only capable of seeing black and white in this discussion?

The past 100 years of agriculture cattle, chicken and pig farming is abhorrent, no one is arguing that fact. You are lumping all meat eaters into some moral low ground category, trying to guilt and shame us that eating meat is wrong while ignoring the abundant options of sustainable and healthy practices.

You will win more people over to your line of thought if you realize the human race will never stop eating meat. You're just going to have to deal with that fact. If you want to help, you can educate folks on supporting farmers that provide an alternative to the cruelty caused by the corporate meat industry.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 8, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
karen roseme

Mountain climber
Bishop
Aug 14, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
well Put khanom,

I guess I'll say it again:

You have choices when you buy food. You can buy vegetables grown by industrial operations -- conventional or organic, which are unsustainable and cause massive environmental damage. Or you can buy them from a source you know and are capable of assessing as sustainable and causing minimal environmental impact. You can buy vegetables that are grown thousands of miles away or you can buy them from a local farm.

What is true for your veggies is also true for your meat.


ANYTHING you buy in a grocery store, be it Vons or Whole Paycheck, is produced unsustainably on an industrial scale. Period.

My point Goatboy is that people should know how the animal lived that they are eating.
How can any animal that has suffered so much be good for anyone?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 14, 2014 - 04:40pm PT
My mother thought that eating a steak for breakfast would help me in an upcoming swimming competition in high school days.
A John Morrel Product from the fifties.
A John Morrel Product from the fifties.
Credit: mouse from merced
I liked the thought and it was a really good steak, broiled with onions.

It doesn't matter what the nutritional dynamics are at 17 years old because you are a voracious appetite on two legs that eats anything put in front of you.

And swimming worked it all off, yet still I had spare energy.

The truth about old guys reminiscing: "I have never eaten goat meat and don't intend to do so.". --GBS
Captain...or Skully

climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
Aug 14, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
I have a butcher in Boise, that I go to. Everything is local AND real. No grocery store meat in MY freezer.
lars johansen

Trad climber
West Marin, CA
Aug 14, 2014 - 04:52pm PT
The forbidden fruit in the garden of eden was not an apple. It was BACON!
lars
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 14, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
"How did the bacon get in the tree?"

"It's a Jewish bible, isn't it? Bacon's not allowed. What's up with that?"

"And if the Devil isn't Jewish, what is he?"

I want the truth, Mommie.

Captain...or Skully

climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
Aug 14, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
Meat ain't about that shizz, dude. It's like mixing metaphors.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 14, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
Funny how opinions shift over 50 some odd years.

When I was but a ween living in one of our original states many of our neighbors and schoolmates routinely ate squirrels sustainably shot from local backyard trees.

However, as a societal class, "squirrel eaters" were barely one step above "possum munchers" and awful damn close to "roadkill rustlers" as far the food chain was concerned. Scorn was abundant.

Five decades later all of the Kool Kids' now spout about "local this", "free range that", "farm to table" and organic organic organic.

I feel redeemed by this shift in attitude.

Now I can finally talk with pride to my youngers about growing up on the front line of "tree to plate" and "road to roasting pan".

Thank you FoodTV.















Captain...or Skully

climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
Aug 14, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
I'll eat tree squirrel. I hafta be seriously hungry to eat ground squirrels.
coastal_climber

Trad climber
BC
Aug 14, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
Celery screams when it's ripped out of the ground. I kill animals and eat them. Go order a venti mochafrappachino.
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