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Crack-N-Up
Big Wall climber
South of the Mason Dixon line
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
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Just bought two 50 round CCI boxes of standard velocity .22 caliber LR (three box limit per man per day) $5.50 + tax, Atlanta area. They had shelves of most common center-fire in bulk, just not much selection. They had CCI .22 WMR. They have had shot gun ammo for some time now here and seem to have various rifle ammo in stock, whereas the obscure/expensive was available for some time now.
I was told a week ago (when they were out of stock)the reason was because there were people buying out everything in .22. The reason center-fire was in stock was because the manufacturers made more profit on center fire.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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If you want to take it as such, sure! Once your Volquartsen arrives pick up something accurate, put them on a bench and see which shoots better. Sure, Volquartsen makes nice upgrades to factory guns and whatnot, but they're not exactly the pinnacle of precision and accuracy.
(Note: intending this as friendly joking around, not trolling or other ugliness. As mentioned above, the taste of Olympic-quality guns has skewed my view of what "accuracy" means. :) )
{Edit because phone hates "Volquartsen"}
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Aug 27, 2013 - 12:05am PT
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Last time I was at the border I asked the Canadian guard if I could bring back ammo from the US. He said he could care less for up to 5000 rounds at a time, but if the US found out I was pulling any out of the country they would arrest me.
I think the point is that they want all guns and ammo going through their buddy's companies. Much easier to control that way.
Pretty sure you would need a business license to bring the ammo back to the US as well.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Aug 27, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
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Toker- if you don't mind, tell me more about this Volquartsen rifle you have on order. Been ages since I looked at there stuff (think I put their trigger kit in my MKII ages and ages ago), and was pleasantly surprised to see they're making their own complete firearms now.
That said, was disappointed to see all the silly options for various fluting, stocks and whatnot. That seems to me to be capitalizing on the name rather than simply making the best gun possible. Kinda like pinstripes adding 5HP to the car. Don't get me wrong, my impression of Volquartsen has always been positive. But when talking the bleeding edge of accuracy, names like Anschutz, Feinwerkbau, Pardini and the like are the names thrown around; not Volquartzen. Of course, with Olympic shooting events tending towards air rather than firearms (seemingly to get around countries having no-private-firearms policies), the days of precision European rimfire are already past. Even so, one day I will own a Toz 35M.
Btw, it occurs to me that minute-of-can at 20m is ~11MOA. In my book, "target gun" is sub-1MOA. :)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 27, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
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MOA don't mean squat diddly if you don't know how to do MOH @ combat speed;)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
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Got to agree. I've heard that the "new" paradigm is not mere accuracy, but rather a combination of speed, accuracy and power.
Seems to me that it has been the paradigm since that scene near the start of 2001 with the bone.
I don't have the model # handy, but I wasn't looking for pin stripes. Of the 70+ 10/22 magazines I have more than 40 are 10 rounders for target rifles (bull barrels, bedded stocks, aftermarket triggers yada yada), so this V has one of those long thin fore-ends with a beefy mount and reciever. To me though the trigger is paramount.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Aug 27, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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MOH?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 27, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
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It's an operators term. Figuer it out... ;)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 27, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
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Toker. not sure what the 2001 refrence is? Collnel Cooper came up with the speed, accuracy ,power thing a loooong time ago..
box of 40 fedral standard velocity .22lr $21.99 @ the Middway country store in Sharon VT... I bought 2 boxes there back in april for $7.99 ea. he keeps raising the price and moveing stock. says he gets it from mexico?
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Aug 27, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
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Adatesman...
I think u mean MOA
Minute Of Angle......
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 27, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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No. he knows what MOA is but aparently does not know what MOH is. Typical bullseye shooter.. what do you have ? something like 10min for 10 shots in that sport?
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Aug 27, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
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I'm not a bench rest shooter.
Typical corse of fire:
3 minutes: 2 rounds prone no front support, 2 rounds kneeling weak side, 1 round standing
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 27, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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Seems as though this topic should have more properly been pursued under the 'First World Problems' thread.
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 27, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
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I got a question for you gun guys. Sorry for the slight thread drift but I was hoping someone might be able to tell me why. Toker villain, Ron Anderson, whoever.
short story here I was given roughly 1500 rounds .45 caliber. I have been wanting to exercise my 2nd amendment right as a U.S. citizen for quite some time, so I figured acquiring this ammo was a sign. so I purchased this bitchin 1911 .45 manufactured by Rock Island Armory
So this weekend I got to a place where I could fire the thing for the first time, it was super fun!!
But now here is the problem and I ask you guys in the know. in the below pic there are 2 different rounds. They are both .45 caliber rounds right? the one on the right will chamber into my gun no problem the round on the left will not. The gun will not chamber this round for some reason.
Besides the obvious difference, can you please educate me why?
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:03am PT
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That's exactly what is going on Ron.
Thanks for the quick reply.
About 1300 of the rounds I got are the cheap ones. any suggestions? can I sell them get what works? Is .45 ammo as hard to get these day as the .22 you guy talk about here. Man this bums me out!
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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T2
Buy a Wilson Combat Magazine.
If that doesn't do it take it to a reliable gunsmith so he can inspect and polish the feed ramp.
A 1911 can typically be fine tuned to eat most ammo...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:24am PT
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Message for Healyje.Real good grouping, son. But it's a free internet.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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First to T2,
OK piece (though I'm not a big fan of ambidextrous safeties on a full size), but those wadcutters and it are a non starter.
And get yourself some extra magazines (but don't listen to Goul since Wilson plastic baseplates crack) and leather and use a better stance and presentation.
I have all the ball ammo you need, but would need a favorable exchange rate since they only work in one of my revolvers.
Now back to tradman;
Cooper may have said it loooooong ago, buttttttttttttt I was referring to a scene in a Stanley Kubrick film that, chronologically, predates him (unless he played the ape with the bone).
Country store is getting $0.55 plus tax/round?
Hell, I'll pay shipping and send you a carton of 550 rounds of Federal 36 gr for less than half that!
That's crazy!
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:49am PT
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T2
Gun opinions (especially with the 1911) climbing opinions, people are passionate and insistent that they are right.
The Wilson mag has a real following... So do other mags.
I would suggest finding a 1911 pistol smith near u who can give it a look.
As a ref, mag issues are common
Feed ramp issues are VERY common. Odds are there are tool marks in there that should be polished out. Just have the smith do it... Cost is minimal and he can look it over for other potential causes.
Nice gun... Read up/practice ur form.
Enjoy shooting such a great gun!
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 28, 2013 - 01:05am PT
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thanks GhoulweJ I appreciate it as well as both Rons thanks for the input. That is a first time shooter stance haven't been shooting with anyone that can show me right from wrong yet.
What up with Riley? Is he for real? or is he joking?
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