.22 long rifle ammo drought

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pud

climber

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia

Aug 26, 2013 - 02:48pm PT

The current run on ammo is good example of how so many people are too stupid to be allowed to own guns.

The House of Representatives voted late Wednesday to prohibit the Department of Homeland Security from using taxpayer dollars to buy and stockpile ammunition until they provide a “comprehensive report” to Congress on its ammunition usage, purchase history and contracting practices.

“Prior to committing taxpayer dollars for ammunition contracts, we must ensure that government agencies justify the necessity and cost to both Congress and the American people,” said Representative Mark Meadows (R.-N.C.), the amendment’s author.

The House approved the amendment to H.R. 2217, Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act of 2014, by a 234-192 vote. Notably, eighteen democrats supported the amendment and only thirteen republicans opposed. Meadows cited concerns over the current practices and purchases of the Department as justification for the proposal.

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“Earlier this year, we learned that DHS solicited bids for 1.1 billion rounds of ammunition,” Meadows said in a statement. “This is more than ten times the amount that the department purchased in fiscal year 2012. Given current inventory, DHS has nearly 4,000 rounds for each employee trained and certified in firearms use.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/07/house-approves-amendment-to-restrict-dhs-bulk-ammo-buys/#ixzz2d6PV2j6u

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Aug 26, 2013 - 02:48pm PT

3 cents a round in Canada versus 60 cents a round in America.

Can someone explain this? I get that Americans are hoarding. Why aren't Canadian businesses shipping to the US?

I confess to knowing nothing about the ammo business.

Yep, I'm in the same boat/have the same Qs.
I don't really beleive conspiracy theories, but I can see why people at least raise them when fundamental (perhaps overly simplistic) economic principles don't seem to remotely describe what's going on in the marketplace.
Seems like something fishy must be going on.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Aug 26, 2013 - 02:59pm PT

Not worthy of it's own thread, but perhaps someone here could recommend what I should get for a good belay gun?

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 03:08pm PT

You shooting snakes, your partner, or spectators watching you yard on pro?

Well, not to quibble, but it is closer to 4 cents, a not entirely unreasonable price, but looking on gunbot a few minutes ago I couldn't even find anybody with the maroon and black 550rd cartons of Federal 36gr (they also make blue 525rd cartons which is probably what's in Van).

The Federal Automatch 40gr cartons are going for $80-$90. Thats 25 -28 cents, but still,..

Glad I stocked up on those, the 10/22 loves 'em.
I was whining when Walmart jacked them from $14.47 to $15.49 a year ago.

I'm with those that don't see importing from Canada as a big no-no, but I'd check discretely first.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Aug 26, 2013 - 03:34pm PT

good belay gun? probly a nautical flare gun. rugged, water resistant, cheap, effective against bears, dogs, and humans alike. no ammo shortage, no license or background check, more useful for starting a fire during those unexpected benightings, and you can even argue the point with your libby friends that it is not, in fact, a real gun. only drawback is itr single shot, though you could just double up along with the link cams.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Aug 26, 2013 - 03:38pm PT

A flare gun is Very much a real gun, duh.

steveA

Trad climber

Wolfeboro, NH

Aug 26, 2013 - 03:46pm PT

Ron,

Can you or anyone else here really explain what is going on here.

The last time I bought 22 ammo was probably 30 years ago. After reading this thread, I went down to the local store, and they said it just isn't available.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 03:47pm PT

Steve, that's because I already bought it all.

Reilly, I bet that one went over their heads.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Aug 26, 2013 - 03:51pm PT

well it does launch a projectile, but not specifically to kill or maim. flare guns are designed and intended to save lives. do you even need a background check to buy one in cali? if not then i say it aint a gun. in fact, they should call them flare markers, like the paintball designation.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Aug 26, 2013 - 04:00pm PT

TV, nice one.

I wonder what my 22LR's cost when I was 10 and used them to shoot crows on
the farm in Wisconsin. You got 25 cents from the county when you brought
the legs in to the local store where you could also re-arm. Not that I even
came close to one crow per round, the little devils were fiendishly clever,
but I'm thinking my profit margin was at least 95%.

perswig

climber

Aug 26, 2013 - 05:58pm PT

(that was Very clever, Reilly)

This guy's not worried about piddly calibers.

Dale

edit:

What about my over their heads, Dale?

Maggie's drawers here on that one, Ron!

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 06:59pm PT

What about my over their heads, Dale?

.45-70 on a Maine license plate means moose on a different kind of plate.

Just back from the range and for the first time in ages no .22 plinkers. In fact nobody (for 10 minutes) and then just a couple that spent the better part of an hour firing 4, count 'em, 4 shots.

I tried out the 3 new pistols I got this month, and couldn't be more pleased, 3 home runs.
The target .22 was knocking over cans at 20m, the Sigg 938 not as accurate but surprisingly docile (and its got checkering, night sights and a 1911 style safety).

The PTR91 is a monster. I thought it would kick more, but I wasn't quite prepared for the blast.
The couple goes, "WTF!!?
The laser is worthless beyond 5m in daylight though, definitely a monster that should emerge at twilight.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Aug 26, 2013 - 08:46pm PT

Got a PTR-32 (7.62x39) a few years ago... Basically just the PTR-91 chambered in x39. With a good brake there is almost NO recoil with that heavy beast... Three round bursts are completely controllable.

Unfortunately PTR was recently driven out of our state... They're moving to South Carolina I believe. A great bunch of people too.

adatesman

climber

philadelphia, pa

Aug 26, 2013 - 10:45pm PT

The target .22 was knocking over cans at 20m

Not to quibble, but I'm not sure I'd qualify that as a "target gun". I assume it had not yet been sighted in/not yet found what it likes to shoot? My relatively cheap .22 air rifle (Benjamin NP Trail) holds 0.25" CtC at 30m, so I'm not seeing minute-of-can at 20m as being anything to brag about.

Then again, perhaps you're talking pistol? Not that I shoot it anywhere near that well, but IIRC my Pardini P10 (.177 single stroke pneumatic) was spec'd to do something like 0.1" CtC at 10m, which is well under minute-of-can. And seeing as that pistol was outmoded 20 years ago or so by more accurate designs...

:)

EDIT- Toker- Is this the one you saw me edit? Because if it is, I quite literally hit Post, then edit, added the second paragraph, posted, edited again to clarify wording, and then saved it. Took about 2 minutes in total, from beginning the post to the final save. Not sure how that runs afoul of any unspoken rules regarding editing... Mind sharing a link to the rulebook?

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 10:56pm PT

I said it was a 22/45.
A semi-auto .22 pistol with a bull barrel,.. yeah it's a target gun, though I suppose it could take small game.

I should hope you can do better with a rifle.

But I was starting much closer and kept chasing multiple cans on sub-second intervals. Sheesh!

EDIT
BTW, you edited without saying so (poor form)

ms55401

Trad climber

minneapolis, mn

Aug 26, 2013 - 10:59pm PT

I've got a BB gun with enough BB's to put out the eyes of any jihadist between Park City and Flagstaff. PM if interested.

adatesman

climber

philadelphia, pa

Aug 26, 2013 - 11:14pm PT

Just poking in jest, Toker... Frankly I grew up chasing cans with a .22. And would still be doing it if I had the space...

Frankly this is where the airgun thing has skewed my view on things... As much fun as ricing out a 10/22 to make it somewhat accurate is, for about the same money you can pick up a used FWB CO2 air rifle. From an accuracy standpoint they're not even the same game; the FWB is orders of magnitude more accurate and will really test your abilities. The riced 10/22, not so much. Then again, no way you'll be offing the squirrels in the attic with the FWB. But it's not meant for that.

Anyway, hope I didn't offend with the "not a target gun" thing.... :)

EDIT- I apparently edited something above without saying so, and am now aware it is bad form. Sometimes my fingers hit Post Reply before my brain finished the thought. My bad. Hopefully Toker will forgive me.

EDIT x2- Just realized I'm in a SYG state. Crap.... I think Toker has the right to shoot me over this. :(

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 11:20pm PT

Scott Volquartsen sent me an email a month ago and said my rifle will be ready in a few months.

We'll see who poo-poos the .22 after it replaces my AMT.