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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 25, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
Yesterday I was told that Cheaper Than Dirt had the 325 round cartons of 40 grain premium for $200!

Thats over $.60/rd! Crazy! (even for the premium stuff)

AND THEY SOLD OUT!


I remember once reading in a survival journal about .22 becoming a form of currency, and that might be one of the reasons that I stocked up.
I'm thinking it might be a good time to sell some, but then I wonder about what it will be like when its time to buy more (and I just bought a new 22/45 Ruger Mark III).

Any horror stories from the hinterland out there?
I was gonna go to the range on jack-mormon day, but its pouring.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Yeah, right. They must be putting miniature gatling guns into hand launched drones.

(Actually, at the Browning Museum in Ogden they have a miniature (functioning!) belt fed machine gun chambered for .22lr)
perswig

climber
Aug 25, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Shouldn't this be in the Rim Fire thread?

Dale
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
The coastal redwoods
Aug 25, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Perswig, that's the first (intentional) chuckle I have had on ST in a long while
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 25, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Boise's newspaper The Idaho Statesman had an interesting article yesterday on the subject, which features interviews with Idaho-based ammo manufacturers.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/08/24/2723017/ammo-shortage-eases-as-panic-buying.html

They sure do love Obama.
mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Aug 25, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
Perswig-LOL!!


Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 25, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
I'm stocking up on slingshots and river rocks.

I figure after the gun nuts shoot their wads at the first noisy squirrel they hear them boys will be desperate for anything to fight the power.

Going rate - 100 rocks and one slingshot for your 16 year old daughter...assuming she is fertile of course.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
A woman under 30 is an egg not yet cooked, as the Frogs say.

I actually first clicked on the Rim Fire thread thinking it was about .22


Cabellas is rationing BTW.
tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Aug 25, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Everybody started buying 22 because it was cheap. Now the ammo makers want to make their money back. They could ramp up production anytime they want. It's better business to scare us about democrats and jack up the prices. This always happens, just not to .22 until now.

GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 25, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
.22 u can't get any
I just donated 50,000 rounds to a youth shooting team.
Sad when we can't even get it for the kids.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Aug 25, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
We've got tonnes of it (.22 long) up here. Stacked chest deep in two stores I was in today. My buddy from WA/MO was up for the weekend and couldn't believe that we had so many boxes/crates stacked on the floors! We then went and shot off a few boxes to make sure there weren't any duds in the bunch!
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
Huh. And to think I thought it expensive at $20/500 brick. Got a couple bricks down in the safe... Good time to sell? Been sitting on them a decade or two, as precision airguns are much, much more convenient (and cheaper to feed too).
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
Uh,.. Joe (knew you'd show), males with inadequacy issues don't shoot .22s

They don't even shoot .44 magnum any more.

They shoot .460s and .500 S&W, and .50AE, or .338 Lapua, or .50BMG. (none of which I own)
and there is no shortage if you can afford it.


Hey tooth, are they rationing?
How much they sell for?
Sounds like a potential $ opportunity,..
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
JH
No, not the same.

Adatesman, DONATE to youth programs... U/we don't need have profit from .22
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 10:16pm PT
My "solution"? I shoot .22s

Really really accurate .22s

Is it so hard for a climber to understand an activity that challenges your strength and co-ordination, and allows you to constantly work on improving your performance?
The way you incessantly dwell on the other has me convinced you are projecting.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 25, 2013 - 10:16pm PT
JH... You must be joking.
Precision marksmanship is not a penis activity.
It is a complicated and satisfying challenge.... U know, like sport climbing but not lame.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 25, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
I havn't owned a firearm in years..Owned several BITD. But my favorite was an ole .22 Ruger Mark2. Used to buy a brick of 500 for $10 and have a fun day out. Got fairly decent with a pistol that way.

jgh almost motivates me to go pick one up somewhere.. but sounds like the ammo prices are completely stupid these days.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
Time to go back to rounds easy to reload.

After shooting the Sharps with black powder I am thinking of trying some in the Schofield.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
Yeah my Suave Demeanor would be so enhanced with the presence of a peashooter on my hip...
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
Oh, what a shame.

Sounds like less lead pollution to me.


SWEET!
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:32pm PT

pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
It was much worse a couple of months ago.

My Sig Mosquito is a picky eater and only likes CCI Mini Mags so I was happy to find a good deal on bulk back then.

I'm good now but, here is the way to shop if you're in need.

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/22lr/

http://ammoseek.com/?from=resultspage&gun=rimfire&cal=90&grains=0&mfg=&ikw=&ekw=&noblanks=&sortby=cpr
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
My AMT is finicky too, but Mini Mags are 36 gr, and the premium 40gr I mentioned in the OP seem to work best.

Have you been looking at gr weight or just brand?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Boss, I wish you'd stop being so good to me.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
I tried the Remmington 40 gr and had ftf every 50 rounds or so. A few jams too.
Most High velocity rounds work but, the CCI's are consistently more reliable. 500+ rounds with no problems in the Sig.

My kid's Marlin 795 handles practically any round with few exceptions.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:17am PT
Riley
1,000 yrd positional tactical shooting comps are not lowest denominator comps.
What you find is the company in kind is very accomplished in many areas in their lives.... And they tend to NOT be dirtbags.... Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:18am PT
low end of the mastery spectrum

pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:23am PT
22's bounce off 1/4" steel plate but, 7.62x39mm gets it done at 100 yards.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 12:27am PT
Mayor Stranczek must be an excretional guy.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:24am PT
yawn.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:32am PT
JH
Please tell me you're a troll...

If ur not, trying to discuss this topic with you is a complete waste of time.

jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:59am PT
hedge there means and believes every word he says. just give up now, concede his every point, and get on about your business. it's like talking to a rock, except the rock eventually erodes, or metamorphoses, and changes.

anyway, the manufacturers are going to catch up eventually, when people start feeling like they've hoarded enough. right now, everyone in the supply chain is feeling the benefits of a panicked public willing to pay exorbitant fees for a product that still doesn't cost near as much to make as it's selling for.

why in god's name would any ammo supply-line company actually WANT to meet demand and bring the price back down?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:09am PT
JH
Please tell me you're a troll...

He isn't a troll, he's a "progressive"

(Marxist)
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:15am PT

Aug 26, 2013 - 07:05am PT
Its quite amusing to see a bunch of rambo-wannabes who rushed out to buy their favorite combat-look .22 rifles now rush out to drive the price of ammo out of the stratosphere.

Its like the housing boom all over again though you can't sleep in a box of .22 ammo. Maybe a crate, if you're into that sort of thing.

DMT

Actually it's more like the toilet paper shortage scare from the last century.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:28am PT
Hey tooth, are they rationing?
How much they sell for?
Sounds like a potential $ opportunity,..



no rationing. some guys are buying 14,000 rounds at a time while I'm in there. Undoubtedly to take back into the usa.

$20/brick 525 .22lr

One of our local stores actually has a 20% off sale on everything Remington. (figures)
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:44am PT
Adatesman, DONATE to youth programs... U/we don't need have profit from .22

Not a bad idea. Btw, was joking about selling... Seems a silly thing to do, especially when it would mean I'd have to go buy some if I end up going to the range.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Glad to hear it tooth. It'll help allay the crisis a bit.

Actually DMT, those look alike .22 "combat" rifles I call "shoot me" guns.
Except as a (not so) cheap (anymore) training tool, they are a foolish idea.
John M

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
3 cents a round in Canada versus 60 cents a round in America.

Can someone explain this? I get that Americans are hoarding. Why aren't Canadian businesses shipping to the US?

I confess to knowing nothing about the ammo business. I am certain that there are all sorts of rules, but I can't imagine that between Canada and the US there are that many restrictions for something like .22 ammo. At least not enough restrictions to keep some business from taking advantage of the price difference.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
The current run on ammo is good example of how so many people are too stupid to be allowed to own guns.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
A friend of mine took up archery because of the ammo drought. Now there will be a run on arrows!
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
The current run on ammo is good example of how so many people are too stupid to be allowed to own guns.



The House of Representatives voted late Wednesday to prohibit the Department of Homeland Security from using taxpayer dollars to buy and stockpile ammunition until they provide a “comprehensive report” to Congress on its ammunition usage, purchase history and contracting practices.

“Prior to committing taxpayer dollars for ammunition contracts, we must ensure that government agencies justify the necessity and cost to both Congress and the American people,” said Representative Mark Meadows (R.-N.C.), the amendment’s author.

The House approved the amendment to H.R. 2217, Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act of 2014, by a 234-192 vote. Notably, eighteen democrats supported the amendment and only thirteen republicans opposed. Meadows cited concerns over the current practices and purchases of the Department as justification for the proposal.

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“Earlier this year, we learned that DHS solicited bids for 1.1 billion rounds of ammunition,” Meadows said in a statement. “This is more than ten times the amount that the department purchased in fiscal year 2012. Given current inventory, DHS has nearly 4,000 rounds for each employee trained and certified in firearms use.”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/07/house-approves-amendment-to-restrict-dhs-bulk-ammo-buys/#ixzz2d6PV2j6u
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
3 cents a round in Canada versus 60 cents a round in America.

Can someone explain this? I get that Americans are hoarding. Why aren't Canadian businesses shipping to the US?

I confess to knowing nothing about the ammo business.

Yep, I'm in the same boat/have the same Qs.
I don't really beleive conspiracy theories, but I can see why people at least raise them when fundamental (perhaps overly simplistic) economic principles don't seem to remotely describe what's going on in the marketplace.
Seems like something fishy must be going on.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
Not worthy of it's own thread, but perhaps someone here could recommend what I should get for a good belay gun?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
You shooting snakes, your partner, or spectators watching you yard on pro?







Well, not to quibble, but it is closer to 4 cents, a not entirely unreasonable price, but looking on gunbot a few minutes ago I couldn't even find anybody with the maroon and black 550rd cartons of Federal 36gr (they also make blue 525rd cartons which is probably what's in Van).

The Federal Automatch 40gr cartons are going for $80-$90. Thats 25 -28 cents, but still,..

Glad I stocked up on those, the 10/22 loves 'em.
I was whining when Walmart jacked them from $14.47 to $15.49 a year ago.


I'm with those that don't see importing from Canada as a big no-no, but I'd check discretely first.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
good belay gun? probly a nautical flare gun. rugged, water resistant, cheap, effective against bears, dogs, and humans alike. no ammo shortage, no license or background check, more useful for starting a fire during those unexpected benightings, and you can even argue the point with your libby friends that it is not, in fact, a real gun. only drawback is itr single shot, though you could just double up along with the link cams.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
A flare gun is Very much a real gun, duh.
steveA

Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
Ron,

Can you or anyone else here really explain what is going on here.

The last time I bought 22 ammo was probably 30 years ago. After reading this thread, I went down to the local store, and they said it just isn't available.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
Steve, that's because I already bought it all.

Reilly, I bet that one went over their heads.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
well it does launch a projectile, but not specifically to kill or maim. flare guns are designed and intended to save lives. do you even need a background check to buy one in cali? if not then i say it aint a gun. in fact, they should call them flare markers, like the paintball designation.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
TV, nice one.

I wonder what my 22LR's cost when I was 10 and used them to shoot crows on
the farm in Wisconsin. You got 25 cents from the county when you brought
the legs in to the local store where you could also re-arm. Not that I even
came close to one crow per round, the little devils were fiendishly clever,
but I'm thinking my profit margin was at least 95%.
perswig

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
(that was Very clever, Reilly)

This guy's not worried about piddly calibers.

Dale

edit:
What about my over their heads, Dale?
Maggie's drawers here on that one, Ron!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
What about my over their heads, Dale?

.45-70 on a Maine license plate means moose on a different kind of plate.




Just back from the range and for the first time in ages no .22 plinkers. In fact nobody (for 10 minutes) and then just a couple that spent the better part of an hour firing 4, count 'em, 4 shots.

I tried out the 3 new pistols I got this month, and couldn't be more pleased, 3 home runs.
The target .22 was knocking over cans at 20m, the Sigg 938 not as accurate but surprisingly docile (and its got checkering, night sights and a 1911 style safety).

The PTR91 is a monster. I thought it would kick more, but I wasn't quite prepared for the blast.
The couple goes, "WTF!!?
The laser is worthless beyond 5m in daylight though, definitely a monster that should emerge at twilight.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Got a PTR-32 (7.62x39) a few years ago... Basically just the PTR-91 chambered in x39. With a good brake there is almost NO recoil with that heavy beast... Three round bursts are completely controllable.

Unfortunately PTR was recently driven out of our state... They're moving to South Carolina I believe. A great bunch of people too.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
The target .22 was knocking over cans at 20m

Not to quibble, but I'm not sure I'd qualify that as a "target gun". I assume it had not yet been sighted in/not yet found what it likes to shoot? My relatively cheap .22 air rifle (Benjamin NP Trail) holds 0.25" CtC at 30m, so I'm not seeing minute-of-can at 20m as being anything to brag about.

Then again, perhaps you're talking pistol? Not that I shoot it anywhere near that well, but IIRC my Pardini P10 (.177 single stroke pneumatic) was spec'd to do something like 0.1" CtC at 10m, which is well under minute-of-can. And seeing as that pistol was outmoded 20 years ago or so by more accurate designs...

:)

EDIT- Toker- Is this the one you saw me edit? Because if it is, I quite literally hit Post, then edit, added the second paragraph, posted, edited again to clarify wording, and then saved it. Took about 2 minutes in total, from beginning the post to the final save. Not sure how that runs afoul of any unspoken rules regarding editing... Mind sharing a link to the rulebook?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
I said it was a 22/45.
A semi-auto .22 pistol with a bull barrel,.. yeah it's a target gun, though I suppose it could take small game.

I should hope you can do better with a rifle.

But I was starting much closer and kept chasing multiple cans on sub-second intervals. Sheesh!


EDIT
BTW, you edited without saying so (poor form)
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
I've got a BB gun with enough BB's to put out the eyes of any jihadist between Park City and Flagstaff. PM if interested.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
Just poking in jest, Toker... Frankly I grew up chasing cans with a .22. And would still be doing it if I had the space...

Frankly this is where the airgun thing has skewed my view on things... As much fun as ricing out a 10/22 to make it somewhat accurate is, for about the same money you can pick up a used FWB CO2 air rifle. From an accuracy standpoint they're not even the same game; the FWB is orders of magnitude more accurate and will really test your abilities. The riced 10/22, not so much. Then again, no way you'll be offing the squirrels in the attic with the FWB. But it's not meant for that.

Anyway, hope I didn't offend with the "not a target gun" thing.... :)

EDIT- I apparently edited something above without saying so, and am now aware it is bad form. Sometimes my fingers hit Post Reply before my brain finished the thought. My bad. Hopefully Toker will forgive me.

EDIT x2- Just realized I'm in a SYG state. Crap.... I think Toker has the right to shoot me over this. :(
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
Scott Volquartsen sent me an email a month ago and said my rifle will be ready in a few months.

We'll see who poo-poos the .22 after it replaces my AMT.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
Volquartsen? Meh.

EDIT- to each their own, I guess.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
Is that a challenge?$$$$
Crack-N-Up

Big Wall climber
South of the Mason Dixon line
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Just bought two 50 round CCI boxes of standard velocity .22 caliber LR (three box limit per man per day) $5.50 + tax, Atlanta area. They had shelves of most common center-fire in bulk, just not much selection. They had CCI .22 WMR. They have had shot gun ammo for some time now here and seem to have various rifle ammo in stock, whereas the obscure/expensive was available for some time now.

I was told a week ago (when they were out of stock)the reason was because there were people buying out everything in .22. The reason center-fire was in stock was because the manufacturers made more profit on center fire.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
If you want to take it as such, sure! Once your Volquartsen arrives pick up something accurate, put them on a bench and see which shoots better. Sure, Volquartsen makes nice upgrades to factory guns and whatnot, but they're not exactly the pinnacle of precision and accuracy.

(Note: intending this as friendly joking around, not trolling or other ugliness. As mentioned above, the taste of Olympic-quality guns has skewed my view of what "accuracy" means. :) )

{Edit because phone hates "Volquartsen"}
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Aug 27, 2013 - 12:05am PT
Last time I was at the border I asked the Canadian guard if I could bring back ammo from the US. He said he could care less for up to 5000 rounds at a time, but if the US found out I was pulling any out of the country they would arrest me.


I think the point is that they want all guns and ammo going through their buddy's companies. Much easier to control that way.


Pretty sure you would need a business license to bring the ammo back to the US as well.

adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 27, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Toker- if you don't mind, tell me more about this Volquartsen rifle you have on order. Been ages since I looked at there stuff (think I put their trigger kit in my MKII ages and ages ago), and was pleasantly surprised to see they're making their own complete firearms now.

That said, was disappointed to see all the silly options for various fluting, stocks and whatnot. That seems to me to be capitalizing on the name rather than simply making the best gun possible. Kinda like pinstripes adding 5HP to the car. Don't get me wrong, my impression of Volquartsen has always been positive. But when talking the bleeding edge of accuracy, names like Anschutz, Feinwerkbau, Pardini and the like are the names thrown around; not Volquartzen. Of course, with Olympic shooting events tending towards air rather than firearms (seemingly to get around countries having no-private-firearms policies), the days of precision European rimfire are already past. Even so, one day I will own a Toz 35M.

Btw, it occurs to me that minute-of-can at 20m is ~11MOA. In my book, "target gun" is sub-1MOA. :)

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Aug 27, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
MOA don't mean squat diddly if you don't know how to do MOH @ combat speed;)
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Got to agree. I've heard that the "new" paradigm is not mere accuracy, but rather a combination of speed, accuracy and power.

Seems to me that it has been the paradigm since that scene near the start of 2001 with the bone.


I don't have the model # handy, but I wasn't looking for pin stripes. Of the 70+ 10/22 magazines I have more than 40 are 10 rounders for target rifles (bull barrels, bedded stocks, aftermarket triggers yada yada), so this V has one of those long thin fore-ends with a beefy mount and reciever. To me though the trigger is paramount.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 27, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
MOH?
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Aug 27, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
It's an operators term. Figuer it out... ;)
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Aug 27, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
Toker. not sure what the 2001 refrence is? Collnel Cooper came up with the speed, accuracy ,power thing a loooong time ago..

box of 40 fedral standard velocity .22lr $21.99 @ the Middway country store in Sharon VT... I bought 2 boxes there back in april for $7.99 ea. he keeps raising the price and moveing stock. says he gets it from mexico?
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 27, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
Adatesman...
I think u mean MOA
Minute Of Angle......
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Aug 27, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
No. he knows what MOA is but aparently does not know what MOH is. Typical bullseye shooter.. what do you have ? something like 10min for 10 shots in that sport?
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 27, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
I'm not a bench rest shooter.

Typical corse of fire:
3 minutes: 2 rounds prone no front support, 2 rounds kneeling weak side, 1 round standing
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 27, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
Seems as though this topic should have more properly been pursued under the 'First World Problems' thread.
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Aug 27, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
I got a question for you gun guys. Sorry for the slight thread drift but I was hoping someone might be able to tell me why. Toker villain, Ron Anderson, whoever.

short story here I was given roughly 1500 rounds .45 caliber. I have been wanting to exercise my 2nd amendment right as a U.S. citizen for quite some time, so I figured acquiring this ammo was a sign. so I purchased this bitchin 1911 .45 manufactured by Rock Island Armory



So this weekend I got to a place where I could fire the thing for the first time, it was super fun!!


But now here is the problem and I ask you guys in the know. in the below pic there are 2 different rounds. They are both .45 caliber rounds right? the one on the right will chamber into my gun no problem the round on the left will not. The gun will not chamber this round for some reason.


Besides the obvious difference, can you please educate me why?
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Aug 28, 2013 - 12:03am PT
That's exactly what is going on Ron.

Thanks for the quick reply.

About 1300 of the rounds I got are the cheap ones. any suggestions? can I sell them get what works? Is .45 ammo as hard to get these day as the .22 you guy talk about here. Man this bums me out!
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 28, 2013 - 12:17am PT
T2
Buy a Wilson Combat Magazine.
If that doesn't do it take it to a reliable gunsmith so he can inspect and polish the feed ramp.
A 1911 can typically be fine tuned to eat most ammo...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 28, 2013 - 12:24am PT
Message for Healyje.Real good grouping, son. But it's a free internet.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2013 - 12:28am PT
First to T2,
OK piece (though I'm not a big fan of ambidextrous safeties on a full size), but those wadcutters and it are a non starter.
And get yourself some extra magazines (but don't listen to Goul since Wilson plastic baseplates crack) and leather and use a better stance and presentation.

I have all the ball ammo you need, but would need a favorable exchange rate since they only work in one of my revolvers.



Now back to tradman;
Cooper may have said it loooooong ago, buttttttttttttt I was referring to a scene in a Stanley Kubrick film that, chronologically, predates him (unless he played the ape with the bone).

Country store is getting $0.55 plus tax/round?
Hell, I'll pay shipping and send you a carton of 550 rounds of Federal 36 gr for less than half that!
That's crazy!
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 28, 2013 - 12:49am PT
T2
Gun opinions (especially with the 1911) climbing opinions, people are passionate and insistent that they are right.
The Wilson mag has a real following... So do other mags.

I would suggest finding a 1911 pistol smith near u who can give it a look.

As a ref, mag issues are common
Feed ramp issues are VERY common. Odds are there are tool marks in there that should be polished out. Just have the smith do it... Cost is minimal and he can look it over for other potential causes.

Nice gun... Read up/practice ur form.

Enjoy shooting such a great gun!
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Aug 28, 2013 - 01:05am PT
thanks GhoulweJ I appreciate it as well as both Rons thanks for the input. That is a first time shooter stance haven't been shooting with anyone that can show me right from wrong yet.

What up with Riley? Is he for real? or is he joking?
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 28, 2013 - 01:09am PT
Riley,
Nobody would enjoy the images you describe. They are all tragic. Surely you have experienced them first hand.

For that matter, I don't like any bad things happening to others, especially children.


There are many tales of woe and loss. Many of which could have been prevented by an armed citizen. I do not expect to change your mind in anyway... You are clearly passionate in your position. I too will not be swayed to your view.

I wish u peace and (assuming ur a doctor?) strength to continue doing what you do.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 28, 2013 - 01:40am PT
Many of which could have been prevented by an armed citizen.

Delusional.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 28, 2013 - 03:16am PT
Delusional.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Aug 28, 2013 - 06:54am PT
Jeeze i thought we were talking about .22lr here.... Yea Reiley we know the world sucks. some of us live out in the country though and like eat what we shoot.

My bad for bringing up MOH but since we are talking .22lr here perhaps the correct anology would have been min of squirle.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Aug 28, 2013 - 10:21am PT


So how many of you GI joes have seen in real life what these rounds do to humans?

Anyone ever killed a man?

Or seen what occurs when a high powered round grazes a nose and exits at the TMJ joint. Or seen one take apart a child's skull. Or blow out a hole in a knee the size of a dinner plate. Or bounce around inside a skull. Or blow a hole in the left ventricle?

Anyone ever hug his kid in the morning while brain matter from the night before still covers his shoes?

Or try to plug the hole in a heart with your finger?

Or carry a dead child into a helicopter, while covered in his blood, and while the blood covered parents scream the makings of a million nightmares and scratch at your skin and pull at your blood covered hair?

Or gently close the eyes of a dead four year old as your stare at the tiny hole between his eyes?

How about getting sprayed with countless gallons of blood as you try to stop a persons life from gushing from them?


Lol
F*#king wannabe Rambo pussies
Stick to your fairy tale, mother goose, soldier of fortune sh#t... Enjoy that you won't have to ever know what these guns are made to do to babies, skin, lives and the joy of a lifetime.
Pretend that you are real men, instead of pathetic children, when you buy up thousands of rounds to hoard in your homes and shoot at paper objects...

Lol

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
I saw my first person shot and dying in '72.
Some people are more traumatized than others by the sight.

I can understand that Riley needs a therapeutic rant from time to time, but this is a thread about market forces and the lowly .22 round.
Perhaps the climbing anti-gun crowd could have their own get together (better make it inside a National Park). They could hold hands around a campfire, and discuss how pathetic gunners are.

Hopliphobiafest!

Better than wasting space here,..
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 28, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
Huh.
I guess I havent seen what bullets do to a human body 1st hand.

I imagine it,s exactly similar to what they do to other mamals. Elk, deer, rabbits, quail, chukar, squirrels, skunks, snakes, all blown to sh#t by a high-speed hunk of lead. Why would a human body exhibit any different physical characteristics?

Oh, I see. What mr Wyna is talking about would be the emotional impact such violent death carries with it, and the blame that more or less gets placed on the gun, and especially, it seems, upon anyone whosoever might dare to posess such inherently evil devices.

Wannabe rambo paper punchers? Dude, come down off your God-complex for a minute and realize you just can,t save everyone. Do you get just as agro about all the violent deaths from supposedly unpreventable accidents too?

Shot a squirrel with a 30-06 once. Wasn,t much left to eat. Made some pretty horrific gurglhng breaths in its death throes too. Much better to stick with the old 22lr on those.

And as to punching paper, yeah- i like to be as accurate as possible if I,m going to go kill something, so it,s as fast and painless as such a death might possibly be without wasting meat.

Rambo wannabe? With a 22lr? Not so much.

Vegan thing workin out for ya? Cool. That,s commendable. Bitching here? Not so much.

Sure do like the old Colt Woodsman, and the Sears Roebuck version of a lever action Marlim. They will never be olympic grade, nor sub MOA, but they both meet the minimum minute-of-squirrel at 50 yards with big-box ammo.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 28, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Course. at todays pricing and lack of availability i dont shoot much.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Aug 28, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
The delusional "libruls" at Harvard have finished a study which totally debunks the gun grabbers views.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/08/24/harvard-study-proves-gun-grabbers-argument-dead-wrong-82127


Summation:
"...when it comes to gun-grabbers, the whole thing can be summed up in two:

You’re. Wrong."

"The study takes up 45 pages in the spring issue of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy."


Snippit:
"what Harvard’s saying flies in the face of liberal pieties – and misconceptions and lies – about gun ownership, gun violence and gun control in the United States.

Like the recently reported CDC study about gun violence Obama commissioned himself, the message to gun grabbers is clear:

They’re wrong.

A Harvard study released in the spring – to virtually no media attention – focused on the prevalence of gun ownership in the United States versus those strict gun-control countries in Europe the left is so fond of talking about.

It was called, with disarming bluntness, “Would banning firearms reduce murder and suicide?”

Its answer was: “No.”

Looking at historical patterns in the United States from the colonial and post-colonial days, and in Europe going back to the time before guns were even invented, two Harvard researchers came to a clear conclusion:

“Nations with higher gun ownership rates … do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership.”

That’s just a fact, even in those European countries the U.S. left is so fond of citing.

Heavily armed Norwegians, where gun ownership is highest in Western Europe, have the continent’s lowest homicide rate, researchers Don Kates and Gary Mauser wrote.

Russia, where the civilian population was virtually disarmed by the communist government for 80 years, has one of the highest homicide rates in Europe – and one four times higher than in the United States."

So the question remains, who would benefit if the public was disarmed? Power hungry politicians for one. But by all means let your lack of facts and emotions continue to guide you.

adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 28, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
No. he knows what MOA is but aparently does not know what MOH is.

Nah, just disappointed that a discussion about accuracy took a turn towards puerile military fanboy fantasy land where the only thing that matters is hitting a man-sized target as quickly as possible.

Want so practice shooting people? Join the military. Other than that, it's got no place in a polite society.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 28, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
Just an opinion, but anyone shooting a 22lr at man-size targets is just doing it wrong. Its a can-size round. Its the go-to fun round to shoot, good for things like rabbits, cans, and paper. Hell, if I had more time I,d go plink a hundred rounds or so just for the hell of it.

But alas, I have to help watch my daughter after work since the prego girlfriend is on reduced activity, and the daughter,s not old enough to learn gun stuff yet. Same reason I,m not climbing much these days btw.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Aug 28, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
A Harvard Study titled "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?" looks at figures for "intentional deaths" throughout continental Europe and juxtaposes them with the U.S. to show that more gun control does not necessarily lead to lower death rates or violent crime.

Because the findings so clearly demonstrate that more gun laws may in fact increase death rates, the study says that "the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths" is wrong.

For example, when the study shows numbers for Eastern European gun ownership and corresponding murder rates, it is readily apparent that less guns to do not mean less death. In Russia, where the rate of gun ownership is 4,000 per 100,000 inhabitants, the murder rate was 20.52 per 100,000 in 2002. That same year in Finland, where the rater of gun ownership is exceedingly higher--39,000 per 100,000--the murder rate was almost nill, at 1.98 per 100,000.

Looking at Western Europe, the study shows that Norway "has far and away Western Europe's highest household gun ownership rate (32%), but also its lowest murder rate."

And when the study focuses on intentional deaths by looking at the U.S. vs Continental Europe, the findings are no less revealing. The U.S., which is so often labeled as the most violent nation in the world by gun control proponents, comes in 7th--behind Russia, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania, Belarus, and the Ukraine--in murders. America also only ranks 22nd in suicides.

The murder rate in Russia, where handguns are banned, is 30.6; the rate in the U.S. is 7.8.

The authors of the study conclude that the burden of proof rests on those who claim more guns equal more death and violent crime; such proponents should "at the very least [be able] to show a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that impose stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide)." But after intense study the authors conclude "those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared around the world."

In fact, the numbers presented in the Harvard study support the contention that among the nations studied, those with more gun control tend toward higher death rates.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Aug 29, 2013 - 12:52am PT
jghedge... U need a hug
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:16am PT
If Canada allowed handguns with barrels 2cm shorter than is now legal(but legal in the US), etc... would we have the same crime rate as in the US?


Would our crime rate go up if we adopted the US gun laws? Everyone that grew up with guns on the farm would then go use those guns for crime? Or would you propose that they would go buy the newly-legal guns and commit crimes with them instead of the ones they already have? Why would a different law cause my neighbors to decide to shoot someone? They all have guns already, but they don't act like Americans.


(the difference between the glock I shoot in the US and the one I shoot in Canada is the Canadian one has a little bit of extra barrel sticking out of the end of the gun. The difference between the AR is a pin in the magazine that keeps falling out. The difference between shotguns is nothing. The difference between Rem 700's is nothing, the difference between ammo is that I get it much cheaper and thousands of rounds in a crate for $200 that you can't get because Clinton banned it etc etc)

The Hells Angels were the last ones to shoot guns in town 3 years ago. Do you think they would do it more if they could have pistols with shorter barrels? (They already used prohibited stolen weapons)









So if adopting American laws in Canada will not make us act like Americans,


how are you so sure that adopting Canadian laws in the US will make Americans act like Canadians?











Right now you have to fill out a form to say that you aren't a felon, then they do a background check. For some purchases.

If the check doesn't match what you say, it is a felony. They don't enforce it, they just deny the purchase. Why? Because they don't have the current manpower to do anything about it they say. For the 13 instances it happened last year.


But your solution is to add more paperwork, licensing, etc? You don't enforce 13 incidences as it is....

There is a difference between idealism and reality, and jhedge is definitely living in a dream world. Drool at our lifestyle, rules, society all you want. But you will not ever re-create our crime rates with a million new copy-cat laws. Your country is full of Americans and Mexicans and you cannot change that. I'd fully agree with you if America were full of people raised in a different country with a different history and if I hadn't lived there so long and seen the difference. I challenge you, go spend a decade living in one of these countries you so earnestly try to say you are so much like... then re-visit your arguments.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:27am PT
First off, it's not a "Harvard Study" - the JLPP is a student-run conservative opinion 'journal', not a Harvard peer-reviewed research journal. And Kate and Mauser have no affiliation with Harvard of any kind. Mauser is with the libertarian Fraser Institute and Kates is an ex-Liberal-turned-libertarian who long-ago lost all bearings. Both have been on an anti-gun control rant for a long time and their tracts endlessly debunked.

If you want something from Harvard where they aren't simply talking out their asses and torturing data then I'd suggest look more in the direction of Harvard's School of Public Health and it's research and publications. Or hell, there are plenty of gems like this 2004 study where they simply followed the deaths (Medical Examiner reports) and guns (ATF):

From gunstore to smoking gun: tracking guns that kill children in North Carolina
Author: Campbell BT / Radisch DL / Phillips JD / von Allmen D
Journal of Pediatric Surgery

The authors examined the incidence of firearm deaths among all children younger than 14 years in North Carolina from January 1999 through December 2002 and estimated the time between the guns’ retail sale and their involvement in the children’s deaths, using Medical Examiner case reports and tracing data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. They found that forty children died from firearm injuries, with a mean age of 7.6 years. Handguns were responsible for the majority of deaths (59%), followed by shotguns (27%). Most deaths were homicides (67%). Most of the guns were legally purchased (76%). Many were used in crime within 3 years of their retail sale (40%).
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:43am PT
Maybe I missed the 'bias' involved with matching gun deaths of children with the associated gun sales and simply reporting the results. Those would be facts rather than bias. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of bias about on the topic, but there would be a lot more facts if it weren't for the NRA's data obfuscations and research funding obstructions.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:51am PT
but there would be a lot more facts if if weren't for the NRA's data obfuscations and research funding obstructions.

So true. I like to argue way out in the boundaries of extremes to explore all the points, but it is sad when that becomes a mantra and the truth can never surface - let alone an effective path out of the mess.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Aug 29, 2013 - 08:44am PT
So now we're badmouthing a paper because we don't like the source? I thought only the conservatives did that over in the climate change thread?

yawn

Oops... I meant we're badmouthing it because we don't like the message. My bad.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Aug 30, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Whats wrong with .08/ea for the Troy Landry Alligator killen' swamp kicken' .22 more power mega amazing stuff at Natchez?

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=CC0961&src=exrbSrch


I'll tell you whats wrong wid it, 1 box of 375 per customer per day. But it's not $200 as Ron pointed out in the first post. That is all.
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Aug 30, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
the manufacturers prolly wont make 22 being under the stress/pressure/profit making billions of rounds of higher caliber ordered by the govt.

so getcha something that fires .223 rounds

EDIT: oops, sorry, I didn't see that this thread had already devolved into a rabid ideological/political free-for-all, my bad
rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Aug 30, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
Hankster, they were carrying those at one of the local Walmarts here and I was really surprised because here in CA the Judge et all are illegal as they are considered a sawed off shotgun.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Aug 30, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Bravo. give em hell. I love pits too, but they can become bad animals quick without boundaries.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Aug 30, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Fwiw, I'm still waiting for Toker to explain how 11MOA on a rifle qualifies as a "target gun". Hell, targets for Olympic Rapid Fire Pistol are ~11MOA. And don't require pretending to shoot people...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
Sez so on the box, you gasbag troll. If you paid attention its not a rifle. Got some bucks, or just hot air?


Hankster,
if you have a Governor like mine I would recommend not using the 3" magnum loads in it since it is only a 2.5" chamber.

Indeed, those cylinders can overtravel, and for a dog at 20' I would have just used a load of #4 shot.

BTW I got screwed at Sportsman's Warehouse recently. I wanted to get a magnum Judge for 3" loads. Looked at one. Said yes. Filled out the paperwork. Paid. Clerk gets "one that is in the box in the back". Box says "Judge" and "3"".

When I get home I find a 2.5" chamber with a damn 3" barrel!!!!!!!!!
(They are replacing it, but next time I buy a gun at SW I know to say "Show me the freaking gun that you want to actually sell me, not a bait and switch!:)



Anyway, I'd still be curious to see the effects on that dog.

So pud,
that gunbot list hasn't changed since 8/21
Whats the deal?

And those Choot 'Em .22s are out of stock, couchmaster.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
I guess he's not interested in a friendly competition.




Well, the drought seems to be lessening, although prices have gone up substantially.
Today at Sportsman's Warehouse they had shelves of .22lr and no rationing (unlimited .223 @ $.60/rd too).
Federal precision target 40gr loads @ $4.99/ box 50
CCI 40 gr cartons of 325 rds @ $22.99

gunbot.net has a lot more offerings too.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 27, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
22lr in stock eh? Not around here. Cal-Ranch had a deal where if you buy any 22 you could add a bucket of Remington golden bullet 22lr (1400 count) for an additional $65. Only if you buy a gun though.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Sep 27, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
Still $22.50/box 500 Blazer here.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 27, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
Hell, I can't even find any 209 primers!
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Sep 28, 2013 - 09:14am PT
Sez so on the box, you gasbag troll. If you paid attention its not a rifle. Got some bucks, or just hot air?

Assuming I'm the gasbag troll, apologies for not seeing your response Toker. I don't go digging past the first page or two, so if the tread gets bumped I don't see it.

Also, apologies for thinking it was a rifle. I somehow must have misunderstood what you meant when you said:
Scott Volquartsen sent me an email a month ago and said my rifle will be ready in a few months.

Here: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2210833&msg=2211905#msg2211905


{edited for clarity}
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2013 - 11:02am PT
Two discussions overlapping combined with unmarked editing. WTF cares.

But I'm still up for competing handgun or rifle, although its so much easier just to blog trash talk.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Sep 28, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Unmarked edits? Whatevs. If it's within 2 minutes, no reason to get bent out of shape over changing verbiage for clarity.

Anyway, long story short: if it can't keep moa, it's not a target gun. And moh is stupid.
perswig

climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
And moh is stupid.

Unless you're the target. Then it might well be important.
YMMV.

Dale
ATS

climber
Mountain Project
Sep 28, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
The market is slowly returning. Noticing 223 and 40 S&W are finally being sold again (my calibers)
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Sep 28, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
From the down range perspective, I completely agree, Perswig. Even been there, as a kid hiking in the woods behind our house as the neighbors decided to play with their ill-gotten full-auto gear.

From the perspective of the shooter, not so much as I apparently missed the memo that explained how killing people is fun and see no reason to practice for it.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Sep 28, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
Toker- thinking on your $$$ thing a bit, I might be interested in participating in an informal postal league of sorts... Or even just a "here's my score for the week" thread since getting folks to come to a consensus on format/calibers would be problematic.

Personally, I'm currently limited to airguns at the moment due to lack of time to get to the range (hour away and filled with wackos with no care about keeping the muzzle pointed down range or shooting while people are changing targets).

How about caliber/weapon of choice, circular NRA targets scaled for proper distance? Would be nice to have a reason to get back in the habit of shooting daily again. No interest in rapid fire (would love to have a PCP Feinwerkbau field target rifle, but so far no luck with the lotto tickets) or man-shaped targets though.

Thoughts?

-Aric.
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Sep 28, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
Personally, I'm currently limited to airguns at the moment due to lack of time to get to the range (hour away and filled with wackos with no care about keeping the muzzle pointed down range or shooting while people are changing targets).



10m ok? Kitchen to back of my garage...ha ha.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Sep 28, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
Works for me! And {{DROOL}}

Seriously, if there's interest in a weekly target league I'll make time for it. Used to be I'd get home from work and do 5 or 10 sets of 10 shots. Every day. Then my mom, who now lives with us, needed somewhere to store her stuff and I lost my range. A couple months back I tried to get back into it by building a silent putty trap (and scaled the targets down to the 8m I was able to find), but spending time with our 3 year old proved more interesting than time alone in the basement punching holes in paper.

Anyway, here's a pic:


Pistol is a Pardini P10 single stroke pneumatic, backstop is a Habitat for Humanity Restore cabinet I picked up for $10 and proceeded to add a 3/4" plywood backing board to and ~50 pounds of electrical putty. Shelves have 1/8" steel barstock on them for protection and to give the neodymium magnets something to hold on to for holding the targets. The target area has ~3" of putty, which is more than enough for any of my airguns. The .22 Benji NP Trail penetrates a 3" thick phone book to the letter V, but only gets 1" into the putty no matter what pellet i use, so plenty of overkill in terms of backstop.

Oh, the best part is the putty is literally silent with airguns. Only noise you hear is the airgun and the paper getting punched. Worlds better than my old trap, which was layers of carpet in front of a phone book. That sounded like I was hitting something with a baseball bat every shot. Much happier with the current setup, especially since even the Benji is silent on impact.



(Couple edits for spelling, which seems silly to mention but in the interest of getting Toker on board with this shooting league thing I'll offer an olive branch... :) )
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 1, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
^^Nice setup^^

TokerV - $.05/ea for Remington Thunderbolt .22 lr in 500 bulk packs.

https://ammogals.com/index.php/ammo/rem-thunderbolt-22-long-rifle-40-grain-round-nose-500-round-bulk-pack.html


couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 1, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
Oh, they also have Remington 36gr HP in 525 bulk packs for under 6 cents a round. https://ammogals.com/index.php/ammo/rem-bulk-pack-22lr-36gr-hp-525pk.html

Or $28.99 for a 525PK pack



Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
When I'm down to my last 100K rds I might look into it.

;)
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 1, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
ROTF! Haha, I wish. Thought you were interpreting ammo drought to be "I need some and can't find any". Not as "I only have 100M rounds and am getting nervous". Still, like you, I have way too much damned ammo. Was reflecting on the difference between my grandfather and me. He made his own bullets, and they were precious as the raw materials, and the cost just to heat it up so as to be pouring lead, etc etc, took money and time away from other productive farm work. He would shoot a few rounds to confirm sighting in prep of hunting season, and the deer took 1 bullet almost all of the time.

We took the shotguns out after climbing a bit back, and we may have used more 12 ga ammo to simply knock some clays out the sky than my grandpa used in his life:-) Fish haul bag there, no shotgun holes in it.

Of note this trip. Took the rest of my grandpas 12 ga shells out and shot them. There were no failures in approx 30-40 shells, and that ammo was over 50 years old and had not been stored properly in the 50 years I knew about.
Big Daddy

climber
mammoth
Oct 1, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Just found it for .04 cents per round. Added to cart and saw this just before checkout.

In Stock Product Subtotal: $20.99
Postage, Handling & Insurance: $19.01
Special Handling Fee: $3.00
NRA Round-Up Contribution: $0.00
In Stock Grand Total: $43.00

LAME!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
Was that a 500 rd brick?

Still under a dime,.....


Sorry you missed the boat. The good news is that I've got a first class stateroom, with all my luggage on board. The bad news is that its the Titanic.


Couch,
when I competed with the .45-70 using black powder, the bullets were 550gr melted down tire weights!







Edit;
3 days later
Hurricane Walmart comes through;

9mm up the wazzoo

100 rd boxes of .40

150 rd boxes of American Eagle 62 gr .223
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2013 - 01:20pm PT

450 rds at less than 4 bits each!


EDIT; and that is premium 62gr rifle ammo

Yeah Frank, things are looking better.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Oct 7, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
Was stumbling around a bunch of sporting goods stores this weekend looking for some canvas repair tape and noticed all the racks were FULL of every type of gun a person would want. Racks and Racks of AR-15s, AK-47s, You name it and they have plenty. And on every floor space, Boxes and boxes of ammo. of all types including 22s, Price for basic AR was around $800 or so Pistols-A-Plenty. Most stores now have more items than before the big scare...The newspapers have plenty of Ads selling private sales for cheap most say NIB...
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Nov 27, 2013 - 12:52am PT
Hey! Just saw that your shelves are back full again of everything but .22LR in WA state now. Congrats!
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Nov 27, 2013 - 01:00am PT
you aren't buying a hundred rounds at a time are you !!?? madness !!
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Nov 27, 2013 - 08:51am PT
Here's one I see but don't understand, EMPTY CCI ammo boxes are selling for about what full boxes use to go for in the stores, on Ebay.

EMPTY plastic boxes.....wut am i missin?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:46am PT
ammo apparently
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Nov 27, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
Things are certainly looking up ammo wise.

I just purchased 1000rds of 5.56x45 for 250 bucks off some fear mongering dumbass who apparently broke the bank in the ammo scare. He was offloading about 10K, who knows how much he was actually keeping. Hate to think what he paid for all that buying here in Cali mid shortage. Check Craigslist, people are starting to offload, as I predicted they would.

I told him I had some tulips for sale, but apparently he's learned his lesson.

Anyway, thank goodness that nonsense is coming to and end. I can finally pull out the more popular chambered hardware again.
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