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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 27, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
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"There are no "good guys" in this quarrel.
Plenty of innocents caught in the middle for sure.
They will be slaughtered no mater which side prevails."
Holy shite....I'm having a flashback....
But it's wrong...all wrong....it's not Iraq anymore...
This time, it's a Repug trying to be the 'voice of reason' in the face of an(other) impending invasion...
You kill me, TGT. Not in a good way.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:42am PT
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Assad didn't gas his own civilians when he was already winning AND the day before UN chemical experts were arriving....
Stop listening to US news. It's poison for your brain.
Think.
The good 'ol USSA most likely prepped the 'rebels' with the materials and rudimentary training. That's right. The real terrorists are in D.C.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:47am PT
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Regardless of whether Assad actually ordered the attack or not it does seem wise to put anyone who could in the future be held responsible for a WMD usage on notice that their lives are forfeit. Dictators especially should know that they will be held accountable with their lives for even the mistaken unauthorized use of WMDs by their nation. This should help them realize that even possesing WMDs is not in their best interest in case something they didn't order happens.
I wouldn't go after military targets, I wouldn't try to influence this war much as it is not clear that there are any "good guys"
I would simply bomb anyplace he has ever called home and let him know that he is a target until he is dead or in custody. If it took 10 years.
I hope we have great intel on his position.
No more war..lets just take it to the top and kill him and anyone shown to be responsible who doesn't turn themselves in. Patience if needed..
Please no big "shock and awe". I hope it goes the way I'm describing.
Certainly something is going to happen. I pray only those responsible are harmed. Such a doubtful scenario.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:54am PT
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Ron O or Ron A is my goD?
It matters.
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cassondra long
Trad climber
las vegas
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:55am PT
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btw, Syria does have oil, just not developed like Iraq. I consider most news
media to be propaganda. No governments want to help the helpless for purely altruistic reasons.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:56am PT
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Agreed Ron. Get out of there and simply kill/harrass leaders who screw up.
Assassination is much more moral than war.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 28, 2013 - 01:01am PT
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I was hanging with my homie a couple of weeks ago. He is the #3 dude at an
embassy in the neighborhood and I don't mean Mr Roger's. He was highly
impressed with the Frenchies' effort in Mali. When I brought up Syria he
just rolled his eyes and muttered something to the effect of 'a bottomless
pit of quicksand'.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 28, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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100,000+ in Syria killed the old fashioned way, and nobody gave a damn. Now, a relative few are gassed, and the outrage goes all the way up to The White House.
It's not lives Obama cares about, but the method of the killing. Makes no sense.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2013 - 01:06am PT
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It does a bit. WMDs are too easily transportable to our shores. Large scale warfare is not.
WMD usage has fairly strong worldwide comdemnation against it. Thus it has the realistic ability to be abolished or at the very least severely curtailed. Infact it's usage is extremely rare. Enforcing this seems possibly worthwhile.
Sadly regular warfare does not at this time.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 28, 2013 - 01:10am PT
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The more they expend on domestic pacification, the less they can export here.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2013 - 01:24am PT
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What I sadly suspect will occur is some rediculus shock and awe attack..Does some damage to tactical targets.. kills some decent folks just trying to live their lives in tough times.. and nobody actually responsible pays any price they wouldn't consider as a fairly cheap purchase.
Simple easy way out that pretends to show our "resolve" on some damn red line.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 28, 2013 - 01:29am PT
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Those working in the Syrian Baby Milk factory need to watch their asses until Obama gets the war drum beating out of his system.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2013 - 01:35am PT
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No argument Ron.
I just think it's not a bad idea to lob lethal force at ASSad anytime he pokes his head up. Good target practice.
Use of WMDS seems like a good reason to assassinate someone. The rest of the crap should be left alone to sort itself out.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 28, 2013 - 01:41am PT
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Firing artillery into civilian areas is more than enough reason, if you ask me. Assad has been doing that for a couple years now. I don't understand the sudden outrage.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 28, 2013 - 09:47am PT
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From what came out this morning it looks more conclusively that it was Assad that did the gassing.
Chemical weapons are portable and concealable. Accelerating Assad's removal may only place them in the hands of Al-Qaeda, etc. sooner rather than later.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 28, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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I'm not so sure what we think we're seeing in Syria is what's really happening.
Both sides - and especially the Free Syrian Army - are very media savvy, and have extensive p.r. efforts designed to slant public opinion to their side.
You can tell by the quality of many of the videos being produced that they are using somewhat sophisticated equipment, such as Steady-Cam technology and advanced editing techniques.
When Madison Avenue meets the Middle East, you need to be very careful of what you assume to be facts.
Don't get me wrong, I still believe tyrants around the world deserve to meet a bad violent end. But I don't like the idea of being duped into action by a bunch of goat-herders with Steady-Cams.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
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Chaz...
DMT...
+1
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
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When Madison Avenue meets the Middle East, you need to be very careful of what you assume to be facts.
Amen.
Don't get me wrong, I still believe tyrants around the world deserve to meet a bad violent end.
I agree - but is there any reason that our country has to do the "ending?" I'm not an isolationist, but I don't see why we have to pay for "policing" the whole damn world. Let Turkey "fix" this one. Or just leave them alone to do what they do; 300 killed by gas is an outrage compared to 100,000 killed by "more comfortable means?"
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Aug 28, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
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'you want a war? YOU GO FIGHT IT - PERSONALLY. NOW!!!!'
And then tell them to put out their own house file, or arrest the local thugs, because we have no fire department or police force either.
Rational, intelligent, people don't need to go fight wars personally in order to be making good decisions about them. It is only the idiots and war-mongers that might need to learn a lesson or two before they send off someone else to fight their wars.
You seem like a smart guy who would not need to have served to make good decisions about wars.
I have never served but I can still have an opinion. I can still vote. I can still want our military to go fight when the time comes. Does one need to have served to be part of the country? A citizen? Do I need to have been a fireman to then want firemen to put out fires?
It's strange that the "you can't want a war if you have never served" opinion is tolerated. It is irrational, at best. Does it apply to people who want to NOT have a war? They can't have an opinion if they never served?
Weird stuff comes from even the most intelligent types around here.
Dave
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