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Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Credit: Ward Trotter


Or blame it on an obscure dude making an anti-Islamic video somewhere in California.
Betelnut

Mountain climber
So. California
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
Wingnuts. Gonna be so much fun to watch them lost another election. What could go wrong with Rong on your side? How can you go wrong?

Credit: Betelnut
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
After 560 or so posts, what is the general consensus per what to do in Syria, and why, and what are the specific goals of doing anything, and what evidence is there are overwhelmingly large odds that said goals can be perfectly met because we all know that whatever we do, people will die, and execution by remote control is chickshit and in my book needs to be justified a million ways, by the UN and Congress on down, to be viable.

JL
Betelnut

Mountain climber
So. California
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
Read Tom.

[quote]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/04/opinion/friedman-arm-and-shame.html?hp[/quote]
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
Hedge, you at least usually make me laugh.

Here's a good little video without any blue/red team nonsense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
After 560 or so posts, what is the general consensus per what to do in Syria

 It's obvious that the community wishes to have the Syrian Government brought to the UN for some investigations and possible trials for crimes against humanity…

How about checking here for at least one unanswered question not mentioned on this thread (unless I'm wrong)

http://truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria

It's a lengthy article, but loaded with reason and fact (as far as I know)

Secretary of State John Kerry assured the public that the Obama administration's summary of the intelligence on which it is basing the case for military action to punish the Assad regime for an alleged use of chemical weapons was put together with an acute awareness of the fiasco of the 2002 Iraq WMD intelligence estimate.
Nevertheless, the unclassified summary of the intelligence assessment made public August 30, 2013, utilizes misleading language evocative of the infamous Iraq estimate's deceptive phrasing. The summary cites signals, geospatial and human source intelligence that purportedly show that the Syrian government prepared, carried out and "confirmed" a chemical weapons attack on August 21. And it claims visual evidence "consistent with" a nerve gas attack.
But a careful examination of those claims reveals a series of convolutedly worded characterizations of the intelligence that don't really mean what they appear to say at first glance.
The document displays multiple indications that the integrity of the assessment process was seriously compromised by using language that distorted the intelligence in ways that would justify an attack on Syria.


I've called my Congress people and Senators… Can't wait to not vote for those who vote for war!!

Cheers all
jghedge

climber
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:36pm PT

"After 560 or so posts, what is the general consensus per what to do in Syria..."

For me it's just about not allowing chem weapons to become an acceptable weapon like guns, bombs missiles etc, which is what will happen if this is allowed to slide. Like Kerry said, they've only been used 3 times since WW1, by Hitler Saddam and now Assad - hardly a precedent that should be allowed to stand.

Bear in mind also that Syria borders Israel...I think a country that borders Israel using poison gas on children might make them justifiably nervous...just a hunch
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
what is the general consensus per what to do in Syria, and why

I don't know or care about a consensus, i can only speak for myself , and I don't trust the Washington establishment nor the Obama administration. He has lied repeatedly in the past and has not earned nor deserves my support in this case. I don't trust his competence ,his experience , or judgement in these matters.

As horrible as the events in Syria are , the case for intervention has not been made. We have not been assured with clear explanations or detailed assurances that lobbing cruise missiles into Syria is going to achieve anything more than additional mass destruction and unintended consequences.

The moral case for intervention is not credible. We would be mere players in a proxy war that would ultimately see us on the losing side were we not allowed to play the evil game of war in the only way that would lead to us achieving our aims,and that is total victory by boots on the ground.This is the lesson of history in these matters.
The Obama Administration has been lulled into a naive false confidence, for political expediency, in regards to surgical strikes with cruise missiles, and perhaps fighter planes ,because they have been of great utility in nailing a couple of poop-shoot terrorists on their way to work in a Toyota.

Syria and the proxy war going on there is not the same thing . It is a complex situation and a full blown war.
Anything we do there will only exacerbate an already hideous situation.
Obama is a fool listening to another egotistical fool, Kerry , and they are interested in only one thing: strutting themselves across the world stage, bloviating ad nauseum, sticking their chests out and overcoming whatever political problems they think they have here at home.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
"for me its about chemical weapons not being acceptable"




BAAAAAAAAAAAHhahahahahahahahahaha








Well then LEAVE THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW,, because we ARE THE KINGS of chemical weapons usage world wide.
Betelnut

Mountain climber
So. California
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
^^^^^^ can someone interpret? I don't speak Ron.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
certainly..
WW1 mustard gas used by the USA

WW11, Americas official offensive chemical weapons program instigated by Franklin D Roosevelt. Mustard gas also used in WW11.
Laos
Cambodia
N Vietnam
S Vietnam
400K dead, 500K maimed and or birth defects. AGENT ORANGE

Iraq/Iran war Gassing of Iranians with white phosphorous mixtures, condoned by the USA..




My next to oldest brother now suffers from AGENT ORANGE exposure in Nam.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Largo: Jon Stewart nailed it last night as to why.

http://www.thedailyshow.com
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
The Assad Bunker complexes should be a favorite target for dozens
of bunker busters.

A bunker buster falling from high enough packs a wallop.
Deep penetration combined with targeting the same craters over and over,
has a good chance of breaking up the protective layers.

Drilling down deeper and deeper until one breaks through.




jghedge

climber
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:34pm PT


"^^^^^^ can someone interpret? I don't speak Ron."

You're not alone, hahahaha

Teabonics not being the most effective way of communicating
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
"We have to bomb Syria because we're in 7th Grade" - Jon Stewart
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
^^^^ Good post WARd!!
Jus play'in. ^^^

SO THE FUK WHAT ABOUT CHEMICAL WEAPONS!!!!

Murder is Murder! Be'it bullets, bombs, or chemicals. Why is it all of a sudden the term chemical becomes the trigger? Is it because in the little circle of warmongers they set up trip words (red lines) when crossed their entitled to proceed with their devised agenda? Jus quess'in
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 4, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
were bombing Syria because Syrians are fighting Syrians, and by bombing Syrians we will be right.


Good damm thing we had our civil war before chemical weapons eh? Otherwise some sob country around the globe would have decided to bomb Americans to help Americans.


nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Sep 4, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
I'm sort of leaning towards thinking that what our president decides to do isn't based on just what's going on in Syria. He's much brighter than that. I think he's setting up the repugnicants to look even more like the asshats they are (by "supporting" him).

This could be really fun to watch. Idiots like rong flailing about and getting their panties all bunched up about actions that might never take place and spewing as to why.

The only "tactile" missile that might fall will be in boehner's chamber.
jghedge

climber
Sep 4, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
"This could be really fun to watch. Idiots like rong flailing about and getting their panties all bunched up about actions that might never take place and spewing as to why."


Hahaha, in a few years his kind will be just as embarrassed about opposing Syria as they already are about supporting Iraq. Funny thing about conservatives, they always end up supporting what they were too stupid not to support in the first place. Always.

We just have to keep teaching them the same lesson over and over again.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 4, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
Nature: Very strong and purely fact-based video from somebody right there on the ground.

JL
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