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abrams

Sport climber
Sep 6, 2013 - 02:02am PT
Git some!
(could be a true statement on multiple levels for the pipelines)

Credit: abrams



Jolly Roger

Trad climber
here and there
Sep 6, 2013 - 09:37am PT
Reality

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2378683
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:01am PT
We need to remember one thing: Saddam Hussein moved all of his WMDs to Syria before we invaded, according to The Shrub and Dick. (That's why we didn't find any.) So they are sitting on a vast stockpile of nucular weapons. Could be big trouble

Heard it from those that were there. There were vast convoys headed north and east during northern and southern watch for months before the invasion.

Not interdicting them was a big mistake.

The nuclear research materials went to Iran. Chemicals went north.

Saddam was never that close to possessing a nuke. So that isn't a worry, but the documents, instruments and prototype centrifuges etc. do seem to have helped jump start Iran's program.

It came out afterwards that the freebooting was done by underlings without Saddam's knowledge. That explains Baghdad Bob's bluster and Saddam's obstinacy right until the bitter end.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:51am PT
Arguing over previous "evidence"

Russia's Foreign Ministry, meanwhile, has reportedly handed its own 100-page report to the United Nations on a previous alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria. Russia said in July that tests conducted by Russian scientists on samples from the northern town of Khan al-Assal following an alleged March 19 chemical attack showed that rebel fighters were most likely to blame.

According to information posted this week to the Foreign Ministry's website, tests carried out by the Russian scientists on samples from Khan al-Assal showed the missile used to deliver the chemical agent was "not a regular munition of the Syrian army," but rather a "artisan-type" device which they concluded was likely built by the rebels. The report also says the explosives used in the projectile, and the chemical agents themselves, were not typical of the materials used by militaries in such weapons.

According to the Foreign ministry website, the nerve agents found in soil samples at Khan al-Assal, which it said named as sarin and diisopropyl fluorophosphate, did not appear to have been concocted in "an industrial environment."

The March 19 attack in Khan al-Assal was one of two alleged chemical attacks that the Obama administration first furtively confirmed -- and pinned "with some degree of varying confidence" on the Assad regime.

Shortly after letters from the White House to U.S. senators leveling that initial charge against the Syrian government were made public in April, Secretary of State John Kerry said on Capitol Hill that there were two instances of chemical weapons use -- the one in Khan al-Assal and another near Damascus.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:52am PT
Heard it from those that were there. There were vast convoys headed north and east during northern and southern watch for months before the invasion.

Yes indeedy. If my country was about to be invaded, my top priority would be getting rid of my most effective means of defense.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Credit: Reilly
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:58am PT
the Senate foreign relations committee has NARROWLY approved the strike is Syria.

Please remember that in the next election cycle. The SENATE has IGNORED the people,, of whom they work FOR,, again....
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:04am PT
Heard it from those that were there.

Wow, that's so cool! You know people on the inside!


BTW, where exactly is "there" - the vantage point from which "those" were able to observe the contents of these "vast convoys?"

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:23am PT
The nuclear research materials went to Iran. Chemicals went north.

Iraq sent nuclear research materials to IRAN???!!!!

Lol. Right.

That's whack.

DMT
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:31am PT
He sent most of his air force to Iran, the theory being Iran was the only country the coalition wouldn't strike.

Hussein figured he was in for another limited strike, like in the previous Gulf War.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Sep 6, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Iraq sent nuclear tech to Iran? That's about the most stupid thing posted on this thread--and that's no small feat.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 6, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
He sent most of his air force to Iran

So, since he was about to be attacked, he decided the best move was to give his air force to his other enemy. That's some brilliant strategic thinking right there.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 6, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
My reaction also was that it sounds crazy that Iraq sent WMD to Iran, but I had some recollection that it did send military equip to Iran to avoid destruction.
All I saw from quick Googling was that happened during the first Gulf war:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/fogofwar/archive/post012991_2.htm
I don't know if it happened during the second.

If Saddam sent his air force to Iran in the first war, it doesn't seem so unbelievable that he sent WMD there during the second.
The ME is a strange place of course, with constantly shifting alliances. A good analysis may be difficult even for the ST foreign policy brain trust.
All the more reason not to get involved, IMO.
GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Sep 6, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" We hammered Sunni's at the onset of the Iraq war, later aligned with them to settle down the sectarian violence and push back Al-Qaeda in Irag, now they're back to forcing the Sunni-Shia conflict. Iran hates the Iraq Sunnis, but they hate us more. Even with the front page animosity between Israel and the "Arab" Middle East, behind the scene cooperation exist when it's mutually beneficial. The Middle East can be very buisness-like between Governments to obtain a mutual goal, but all bets are off once that goal has been met and you never acknowledge to your public that you deviated from your long term Political rhetoric.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Sep 6, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Obama is just trying to enforce a principle at best, or trying to save some face at worst.

saving face is a great reason to shoot some missiles at another country, especially for a nobel peace prize winner. (f*#kin cant be serious can you?)
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 6, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
it sounds crazy that Iraq sent WMD to Iran

Keep in mind his own generals were selling him out and stashing a fortune out of the country at the time.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
If Syria's WMDs didn't come from Iraq, then they came from Russia. Obama was over in Russia just this morning, making nice with Putin. It appears Obama's outrage toward Syria is misdirected.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 6, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
If Syria's WMDs didn't come from Iraq, then they came from Russia.

Why don't you think they just made them themselves?
Syria isn't know for high tech anything, to my knowledge, but this is just 100 year old (or more) chemistry--it's a decent sized country and I don't see any reason to assume they need outside help to produce stuff invented a long, long time ago.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
"Why don't you think they just made them themselves?"


Because Syria doesn't make the rifles, the helmets, or even the belt buckles for their own army. They get them from Russia.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
In WW2, the U.S. went to war against Germany. ( a nation )

Obama's beating the war drums hoping to start a war against a tactic. ( chemical gas )

See the distinction?

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