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Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Sep 6, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Obama is just trying to enforce a principle at best, or trying to save some face at worst.

saving face is a great reason to shoot some missiles at another country, especially for a nobel peace prize winner. (f*#kin cant be serious can you?)
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 6, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
it sounds crazy that Iraq sent WMD to Iran

Keep in mind his own generals were selling him out and stashing a fortune out of the country at the time.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
If Syria's WMDs didn't come from Iraq, then they came from Russia. Obama was over in Russia just this morning, making nice with Putin. It appears Obama's outrage toward Syria is misdirected.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 6, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
If Syria's WMDs didn't come from Iraq, then they came from Russia.

Why don't you think they just made them themselves?
Syria isn't know for high tech anything, to my knowledge, but this is just 100 year old (or more) chemistry--it's a decent sized country and I don't see any reason to assume they need outside help to produce stuff invented a long, long time ago.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
"Why don't you think they just made them themselves?"


Because Syria doesn't make the rifles, the helmets, or even the belt buckles for their own army. They get them from Russia.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
In WW2, the U.S. went to war against Germany. ( a nation )

Obama's beating the war drums hoping to start a war against a tactic. ( chemical gas )

See the distinction?

Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Sep 6, 2013 - 04:11pm PT

Kind of like a war against terrorism?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
Yup.

Another war without an end.

Just what we need. ( ...to take our minds off the economy, Benghazi, IRS scandal, NSA domestic spying, Obamacare, etc. )
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Sep 6, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
Gassing 1400 civilians to death in public streets, 400 of them children, sounds like a pretty valid issue to take a principled stand against.

Just me though I guess.

Taking a stand? How so, if you don't mind my asking...

DMT
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Sep 6, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
Credit: dirt claud
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Sep 6, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
dirt claud - yup that nails it perfectly.



Credit: command error
Syria rebels with portable launcher for what looks like a
small poison gas tipped rocket? Note wires for remote triggering
and unstable launch erector likely to fall over because of
no sand bag weights to hold it firm. Typical of hit and run tactics
where speed means survival yet clear thinking is at a minimum: guy on crutches will not be running very fast to clear the area.


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Hedge,

Your falling for the emotion of it. That's the sell and how you know you're being dealt bullshite. How are 1400 Syrians any more important than the 100,000's of dead in Somalia and Darfur where the righteous US did absolutely nothing?

Let's say this is an alternative universe and Assad really did just lose his mind the day before UN weapons inspectors were about to arrive and said "You know what, I'm going to gas a bunch of women and kids today. Why not?"

It wouldn't make any sense, but let's say he did that.

Let's say he stood up and admitted it. Let's say he tweeted it and put it on his Facebook page with a body counter app.

Explain to me just how, in a civil war as complex as theirs, with a population as dense as it is, what possible "good" could we accomplish with 1,000 pound explosive-tipped missles fired from hundreds of miles away?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
Now you've really fallen off the deep end.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
Actually it does make sense.

Seriously?

This makes more sense - Assad is not in control of his own government and military forces.

Which is not to say that someone else is.

This makes more sense too - a rebel faction used the situation to kill some enemies and their families and easily pass off blame on the government.

Your scenario, that Assad ordered the gassing the day before the visit to appease internal factions?

No.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Hehe, ok dude, run with it.

DMT
WBraun

climber
Sep 6, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
You're toast Hedge ....... :-)


Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 6, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Obama is now going to reap the repercussions of weakening our nation when he first took office.....since then, even the smallest of countries do not respect us, and they seized on Obama's "Red Line" stance....and are now making him look like the idiot he is.

Now we are ALL in the position that Obama has put the nation in....whatever he does, this will not end well for America.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 6, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Will somebody tell me why if this is so important Congress can't be bothered
to come back from vacation to deal with it?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Sep 6, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Now we are ALL in the position that Obama has put the nation in....whatever he does, this will not end well for America.

That is just nonsense.

they seized on Obama's "Red Line" stance....and are now making him look like the idiot he is

More nonsense. Get real.

Obama can speak in terms of a red line, change his mind as circumstances unfold, and this country will be as strong as it was before this Syrian fiasco.

Passing on the red line in this case does not bind Obama or the country one iota. Not one. (Despite what Repub talking points say.)
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