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Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
We will never, so long as we live, see American forces of any size invade Syria. A few smart bombs - maybe. Even some drones, since we'll have a surplus of them if we ever actually clear out of Afghanistan. But there's no way to profit (no oil) from invading Syria, so we don't go.

The rest of the world will talk a good game but it's very unlikely anyone will risk their own soldiers and no way will they spend multi-billions on some place the world doesn't give jack sh#t about. With no mega resources for us to swipe, no business for us to partake in, warring factions from hell, and an Islamic culture to boot, I doubt anyone will do anything dramatic. Who would it ever be but us?

And I'm told by people in the know that Iraq was the last US invasion. Even with us boosting most of their oil, we still went bankrupt though some companies like Haliburton came out shining.

The few countries who have the dough and infrastructure to pull off an invasion would never spend their money on Muslims. Good or bad is not the point here, sad to say. It's just not something countries will do. They'll keep their own funds and the Arabs can sort out their own affairs. Or not. It's tragic that the kids have to suffer from hideous stuff like that gassing. For those doubting the gassing actually happened, look at this awful video.

Perhaps it's not serin gas, but it's not perfume either.


Aug 27, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Pud said:
"If McCain were in office, we'd have our soldiers dying on Syrian ground today."
We have no idea about that. Looks like President Obama is going with the tied and true Bush method...well, only part of it it appears.

"President Barack Obama, sure to fall short of getting explicit U.N. approval for any military strikes against Syrian strongman Bashar Assad’s forces and facing potential divisions inside NATO, has instead been assembling allies and partners in a coalition of the willing that recalls the Iraq War.

And where then-President George W. Bush at least got Congress to authorize him to use force against Saddam Hussein, Obama shows no sign of asking lawmakers to do so, preferring instead to engage in “consultations” with key players."

Time will tell. I can see this turning into a fait accompli against Iran in short order as well. Perhaps Obama will call it the "Middle Eastern 2 for 1 deal", or "like 2 peas in a rotten pod", or the much simpler "Spin the wheel, get 2 deals". It could be more likely that he'd coin it "OPERATION WORLD PEACE". Who could possibly argue against that? Only a total douchnozzel.

It will be interesting to see what extent Congress gets consulted. I'm sure that our President, AKA the "Bystander-in-chief", who is a constitutional scholar you know, would not violate the war powers act and take us to war without a congressional mandate. Right?

Where are all the haters of Israel complaining about the over 100,000 fatality's in Syria? They seem awful quiet about these serious atrocities. It's OK to bitch on Jews killing a single Palestinian kid protecting themselves, to call them all kinds of vile things, but they don't step up and say a damned thing about the terrible loss of innocent lives in Syria? Times like these I miss Fattrad being here and schooling the ST Israel haters.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Aug 27, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
The Sryian army has the rebels ... uh excuse me, the activists ... on the ropes and now the plan is to take out their air force and massively arm the rebels/activists with CIA assistance, so the war will last a few years longer, a few more tens of thousands will die, but the outcome will be the same. As Nietzsche said, "Beware of those in whom the urge to punish is strong.”
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 27, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
Any one at all who thinks America should lob bombs or send troops should go over there, personally, and do whatever they think others should do on their behalf.


Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 27, 2013 - 01:43pm PT

...Get in their Obama and finally wipe this POS out ...

...There will be no troops on the ground.
You can not let dictators gas their people ...
What kind of as#@&%e are you
Kind of guy who would watch and do nothing while woman and children are raped?

Riley beats the drums of war, and if you dare to challenge his twisted logic you're a MORON for sure.

How do you wipe out this dictator without troops on the ground? I guess you could bomb the place back to the stone age (remember that choice remark by Curtis Lemay during the Vietnam war?) How many women and children to do it your way Riley?

Haven't we seen this movie before? Next thing you know they'll be telling us that Hassad has Saddam's WMDs.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 27, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
I find it more than mildly paradoxical that Obama expresses outrage over
this and deems it worthy of a token military strike yet millions continue
to die in deepest darkest Africa to which we have sent all of a few dozen advisors.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Aug 27, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Jesus Christ - I'm not beating the drums of war I'm advocating intervention in mass murder .

And Ron is not a moron for disagreeing he is a moron for not knowing the difference between Afghanistan and Syria yet still feeling the need to comment on this subject.

Not that this same issue prevents him from commenting on any subject.

What ever the best option Obama will choose it - just like all the other times.
I've read both his books, aggressively supported him for 8 year and followed every one of his decisions.
He will take care of this ...

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 27, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
We're f*#ked. I heard they're running out of money to fight the Rim fire but there's plenty of money to buy cruise missiles. Guess everybody in D.C. owns Defense stocks.

Hope they understand more about what's going on than they did when they threw us into Iraq.

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Dave Kos

Social climber
Aug 27, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
Next thing you know they'll be telling us that Hassad has Saddam's WMDs.

"They" have been telling us this for years.

When it became clear to everyone that we were not going to find any WMDs in Iraq, an explanation we often heard from war apologists and Bush supporters is that Saddam sent the WMDs to Syria just before the US invasion.

Of course there is no evidence that this happened, but the WMDs have to be somewhere, and since we did not find them in Iraq ...

Guess everybody in D.C. owns Defense stocks.

Not quite, but many in D.C. are directly on the Defense payroll or receive campaign donations from contractors and their lobbyists.

There's a reason Fairfax county is one of the most expensive places for real estate in the U.S. You'll find more high end luxury cars in the Pentagon parking lot than you will in Silicon Valley.

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 27, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
"They" have been telling us this for years.

Yes I know. The foundation is laid...

And there was that thing about Saddam gassing the Kurds too. He had to go! Oh wait, didn't we sell him that stuff?

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 27, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
The law is well established that you cannot blame the manufacturer for
the misuse of their products.

Choke on a steak cannot sue the rancher.
Run over in a crosswalk by a silent running Volt cannot sue Chevrolet.
Saddam poisons you with nerve gas cannot sue US.


Social climber
So Cal
Aug 27, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
The manufacturer is dead.

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 27, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
The "Red Line" business came out when Obama was in Israel. Israel is happy. I guess if Israel is happy, we should be happy.

The post upthread about Sarin was spot on. Fact is, in a confined space, tear gas is fatal.

Social climber
Aug 27, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
Let’s see where have I heard or seen this before:

US say they will hit strategic targets soon but will not tell when or the time or day; mostly at night time when people are asleep. They will only hit military, government and missile sites plus they say it will be a surprise.

Assad has now been warned for weeks about this; what could be going through his mine as well as his generals:

Citizens between the ages of 60-80, children and women are being rounded up and placed in front of, around, on top of the roofs, in the buildings, cooking, dancing, singing, watching TV and reading in or at these military, government and missile sites.

Assad couldn’t that cruel could he?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 27, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
The problem is, the U.S. is being hypocritical here. We didn't give a sh#t when it was us setting fire to civilians in Vietnam. That was an "accident" so it was ok.

Obviously, Assad has had an accident. If it was on purpose, there would be thousands dead, tens of thousands, that would fill the "Red Line" bill.

So for the US to strike, we have to accept that we are hypocritical, our accidents are ok, everybody else's are not ok. This does not come to the Red Line, Obama should do nothing, he should let McCain, Pelosi and their ilk take a stock market beating.

We have drones which execute people routinely throughout the Middle East, people are labeled as "terrorists" and good night irene. The next terror strike in the US, will undoubtedly be by some sort of robot. Though in the Middle East, a kid willing to become a martyr is probably equivalent.

Social climber
Aug 27, 2013 - 04:18pm PT

Always good to turn to our last honest news source, the Onion:

WASHINGTON—In light of increased pressure on President Obama to order a military strike on Syria, leading historians and military experts on Tuesday simply pointed to the United States’ longstanding and absolutely impeccable record of successful bombing campaigns over the past 60 years. “The record clearly shows that, in every instance since the Second World War in which the U.S. government has launched strategic missile attacks on foreign soil, our military forces easily targeted enemy assailants with total precision, leaving no civilian casualties, collateral damage, or any long-term negative consequences for the affected country or region, American foreign policy, or international relations as a whole,” said Harvard University historian Dr. Michael Carmona, adding that such past U.S. bombing operations have gone particularly well in Middle Eastern countries over the last century. “Just look at the 1954 bombings in Guatemala, the 1965-to-1973 bombings in Laos and Cambodia, the 1982 bombings in Beirut, the 1986 bombings in Libya, the 1987 bombings in Iran, the 1998 bombings in Iraq, the 1998 bombings in Sudan, the 1998 bombings in Afghanistan, routine airstrikes in Pakistan since 2005, the 2007 bombings in Somalia, the 2011 bombings in Somalia, and essentially the entire American military effort in Vietnam from 1960 to 1975. Those were all executed perfectly, and led, in the long run, to the most desirable possible outcome.” All experts on the subject then agreed unanimously that, if you want to create positive and lasting change in a troubled region, change that you will one day look back on with a deep sense of confidence, pride, and assurance that you did the right thing, then bombing campaigns are almost always the way to go.

Aug 27, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
Assad didn't do it.

False flag ops (Israel & Saudis) did it to drag US into another quagmire.

Israel is completely in Washington.

They run the USA by proxy.

Americans are stooopider then all stoopid.

All useless stupid idiots just destroying everything they touch.

You should all be ashamed ......

sandstone conglomerate

sharon conglomerate central
Aug 27, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
As long as Monday night football isn't interrupted, who cares?

Aug 27, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
who cares?

If you don't care then you're in it.

Then that means you're a hypocrite and murderer of humanity by proxy ......
sandstone conglomerate

sharon conglomerate central
Aug 27, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
Sarcasm sir
The whole situation is disgusting
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