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kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 11, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
FYI the library has 24 internal computers and public access WiFi. As posted before, presumably Matt would have used their computer since he didn't have his own device. On July 16, a Tuesday, the library was open until 9pm.

http://www.monocolibraries.org/branches/mammoth-lakes

I agree that mining the individual library computers for browsing history is a dead end that's been discussed several times. If the library has a consolidated log of internet traffic or if the various websites make their logs available to family or MLPD, it could contain clues....but "boots on the ground" searches by back country expert volunteers shouldn't wait on that.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 12, 2013 - 12:09am PT
SplitPants, thanks for the update re the library -- sounds promising, knock on wood.

Kenish and MGuzzy, thanks for the info and explanation. It would be great if the router log contains useful info for us...

Cyduke, thanks for the link to the pictures and videos, and thanks for checking them over carefully. Even if there weren't any noticeable clues, the pictures give a good sense of the area and conditions. Some are so detailed, it's almost like being there.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 12, 2013 - 12:57am PT
Stzzo ---

Couple of odd things about summitpost...

The MattGreene profile page says "Last Active: Sep 11, 2013".
There's a user "MG13" who joined on Jul 16 and has posted only one post: http://www.summitpost.org/users/mg13/107266, http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/post929627.html#p929627
re:


I looked at post by MG13 (could be mountain goat or matt greene?)

Could this be helpful info for the search?

Re: Wind River Conditions? ~ Fremont Peak

Postby MG13 Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:40 pm

Just wondering how your Gannett attempt went and what the snow looked like through the Titcomb/Booney Pass/Gannett area.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 12, 2013 - 01:14am PT
Emailed Matt's poster to every place in my area I could think of including

Dear Wendy,
We shared it with our 10k+ members. We hope it helps.
Sincerely,
Escondido Downtown Business Association

Is there a similar group in Mammoth Lakes to send Matt's poster to?

Could someone send Matt's poster to horse riding groups who may have seen something or may in the near future?
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 12, 2013 - 03:06am PT
Pacarockhound,

Thanks for asking. I think the mattgreene Summitpost account continues to be active because the Summitpost admin people keep poking around in it looking for clues. That's why the Summitpost Admin put a note on Matt's user page saying that his last real login was on July 16th.

Regarding the MG13 account, I bet it does stand for mountain goat, as you suggest, because that's what's in the picture. The MG13 account continues to be active and hence could not have been Matt (though I guess admin people could have been poking around in that account too). Also, Matt already had a Summitpost account -- why would he have created another one? In any event, because the post refers to areas in Wyoming, I suspect it's a coincidence and not relevant to the current search.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 12, 2013 - 03:09am PT
http://www.summitpost.org/southwest-couloir/859557"

Found this post about Wind river and Gannett peak etc. Looks beautiful but not very friendly.....

Has this area been searched?
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 12, 2013 - 03:12am PT
LA Hiker - it looks like there is Gannett Peak and Wind River at Mammoth, no? Or am I reading the link I posted wrong?
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 12, 2013 - 03:13am PT
Pacarockhound,

I think we posted at the same time. It looks like there's a Mammoth Glacier on Gannett Peak, but Gannett Peak is part of the Wind River Range, which is in Wyoming. :(
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 12, 2013 - 03:20am PT
Joe Kelsey, in Climbing and Hiking in the Wind River Mountains (2nd ed., 1994, Chockstone Press, p. 124), mentions the "West Face/South Ridge" as follows: "From Mammoth Glacier several routes have been used to reach the South Ridge near its junction with Gooseneck Ridge. Apparently both prominent couloirs have been ascended. One climb was by 17-year-old Yvon Chouinard, on his first mountain."

This is from the bottom of link I have attached 3 posts earlier. Isn't Mammoth Glacier in Mammoth Lake?
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 12, 2013 - 03:22am PT
Pacarockhound,

No, oddly enough. While there are many glaciers in the Ritter Range near Mammoth Lakes, the only U.S. glacier called "Mammoth Glacier" is in Wyoming, as are all the other places mentioned in MG13's post. Try Googling "Mammoth glacier" -- you'll see what I mean. :)

And now I must turn in for the evening.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 12, 2013 - 03:29am PT
Okay LA Hiker, I stand corrected.....:)
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 12, 2013 - 03:59am PT
Last thought for the night


On the summit.org forum if you go to Matt's profile there is a list of "people who hike the same trails". There are 100 people listed. Make any sense to reach out to them?
KellyDoesntClimb

Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:45am PT
CyDuke, thanks for the link to the photos! Stunning! It helps me in my quest to perfect the maps...
Ikat

Social climber
Carson City
Sep 12, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
CYDude

Extremely gorgeous and comprehensive photos. Should be of use to potential searchers.
CyDuke

climber
Sep 12, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Kelly: Glad it will help out with the maps.

Ikat: Agree. Gorgeous and Comprehensive.

LAHiker: I almost felt like I was there too. Made me wish I was.
WBraun

climber
Sep 12, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
To sum up almost 2000 posts in a nutshell.

You have nothing.

Except a complete mystery and tons of speculations .....
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
Actually Werner, there is ONE possible ,, that Morales guy that may have talked with Matt about his plans. He needs to be contacted which Chief Watson was on a few pages back. Other than that,, its a huge guessing game.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Sep 12, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
I haven't read all the posts, but to be fair, I believe there is the outline of a good (proper?) strategy presented by Cragman.


Many theories are being presented here regarding the various details regarding the phone being turned on early....the missing gear....assaults in campgrounds....LOTS and LOTS of speculation.

My concern with these ideas, many of which seem incredibly outlandish to me, is that they draw focus away from the few things we do know....things that point to the Ritter Range.

Endless speculating about scenarios that seem more like a CSI episode can go on and on ad nauseum, and every time someone hears one that they kinda buy into....they then add some more of THEIR ideas about that scenario....perhaps making it sound even MORE compelling.

In SAR, it's dangerous to take simply what we THINK may have happened, and try to shape it into a fact....instead of taking even the thinnest facts, and pursuing them until they are completely played out.

The search area in the Ritter Range, as I have stated on all the search threads, is VAST and COMPLICATED. Also....time is running extremely short to do more searching of that area.

My recommendation would be for experienced climbers to do ALL within their power to get together and get out in the Ritter Range while we can, rather than post theories based on extremely wild scenarios that are virtually unheard of in this area, or frankly, even impossible.

Peace,
DR
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 12, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
Tioga,

thank you for clarification. I think your list is invaluable, especially at this juncture.

I agree that brainstorming - and this is the beauty of social media - with so many people is what ultimately gets results.

Is there any way to post this thread at the top of forum???
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 12, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Tioga +100

Pacarockhound, the thread naturally rises in the forum when we comment. But I don't think we should comment just to bump it up. The more useful people's posts are, the more others will have the patience to wade through this very long thread, get up to speed, and make a contribution either here or by searching.
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