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Dan Watson

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Sep 21, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
There's been mostly rain in town with a minor dusting of snow, at least at my house which is at 8100 feet. It's snowing at the higher elevations, but accumulations are minor. It's supposed to be clear and sunny through Tuesay with a chance of rain on Wednesday and Thursday. The small amount of snow at higher elevations should not impact access.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 21, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Thank you Dan Watson for contacting Paul Dostie.

What did Paul Dostie say about helping with the search?

I, as LA Hiker, am curious to know if he has any suggestions, insights....even if not able to search difficult areas with his dog.

I facebooked about 20 hiking and nature groups yesterday, in the west coast, east coast , international.....with the Matt Greene missing poster. I will let you know if I get any responses, besides David who is on his way up there.

Tiffany, Supermama,
I haven't given up hope.
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 22, 2013 - 12:06am PT
Matt is still very much on the forefront of my thoughts. I've heard I should let it go, but I just can't yet. Too many raw emotions at the moment to say much more, but please all accept my heartfelt gratitude for sticking with me through this.
PS, just saw on a webcam it's snowing on Mammoth Mountain. :(
(excellent post ^^) I was coming back from a drive north on 395 this evening, and saw the snow level while going by June lake Loop around 6:30 PM. The storm was plenty potent. No doubt there's some epics being dealt with up in the high country as we speak.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 22, 2013 - 12:13am PT
The lake on the back side of South Notch and the Clyde/Ken/Kerhlein Minarets is properly called Amphitheater Lake.
yes, it should be searched.
I'm still swamped with my project, hope to have some time tomorrow to help Split Pants update the list of places looked at / and to be looked at.

This weekend's snow is minor and I would expect it to melt within a few days even in the Minarets. No sense in taking a hike just for the purpose of looking until it melts. A lot of the likely spots such as clefts between boulders and bases of couloirs will be partially obscured (and easy enough to fall into). We SHOULD have several more weeks of decent weather although the past two years' weather has definitely been out of the normal. New Years' Ice skating on the High Sierra lakes and streams with not a snow patch on the ground?

Odd history bits: When Walter Starr Jr died on the Michael Minaret in 1933 there were Lower and Upper Iceberg Lakes. Now the upper Iceberg is Cecile Lake. However Amphitheater Lake was called Amphitheater Lake in '33. Amphitheater Chute was named by the first ascenders in the '60s.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 22, 2013 - 02:33am PT
HighTraverse - from David Husted:

11:23pm
that Amphitheater lake is very remote and a good place to look. I didn't have the time to explore it. The glacier at the north end of the lake would be a good starting point. There are very few clues of the few people that visit this lake from the south notch.

11:27pm
David will not be doing this hike - he says: Something tells me in my gut that his goal was to get to the top of some minaret peak by means of glacier travel. Those boots he had are some serious mountaineering footwear.

11:37pm
This week: Twin Island Lakes, Rodgers peak, and Electra Peak. Western approach via the Isberg Pass Trail.

Here's the map: http://hikenhi.smugmug.com/Davids-Hiking-and/Rodgers-Peak-the-North-fork-of
Dan Watson

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Sep 22, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
I forwarded an e-mail from Split Pants that contains a summary of the areas searched and other relevant information to Dostie. He was going to review it last night and then determine what assistance he could possibly provide.
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 22, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
A climber suggested that Matt or his equipment could have fallen and come to rest down the west side of a crest or peak. Several climbers agreed it's plausible. The search map looks like the western slopes are unsearched for the most part. Has the area been searched? Or is glassing unlikely to get results and a ground search impractical and too risky? I'm sure there's a good reason...I know very little about the "other side of the mountain". Thought I'd bring it up since the weather window is starting to close.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Sep 23, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
Not sure if this was posted here but someone found a campsite that was abandoned:

http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=66256
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Is this(Discovery Pinnacle) anywhere near discussed and agreed upon possible destinations of Matt's?

Could he have hooked up with another hiker and this gear belong to the other person?
10b4me

Ice climber
Soon 2B Flagstaff
Sep 23, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
Discovery Pinnacle is in the Whitney area.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 23, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
Yes, I see that now.....about 50? 100 miles away?
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 23, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
Discovery Pinnacle is 80-100 miles south of Mammoth, very near Mt. Whitney. I'd urge the person who found the abandoned camp to report it to SAR or the sheriff. It's either in Inyo or Tulare County...but might get more attention thru Inyo County. It may be connected to a known rescue/recovery where the camp was abandoned or never found, or less likely to a still-missing person or even the subject of an active search (like Matt). No matter what, that much gear isn't simply lost or casually left behind. The owner wouldn't be able to continue much longer without it.

I'd reply on Summitpost myself, but I'm not registered. Best to err on the side of the worst-case...and hopefully free stuff to the finder if SAR or LEO can't connect it to anyone (I'd personally feel creeped out or ghoulish getting gear found under that circumstance).
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Sep 24, 2013 - 12:11am PT
As has been mentioned many times on this thread: Matt had been ticking off many classic climbs in the Sierra. He had already been on Mammoth Crest once if not twice. He had already done one of the main Minarets. He had one last full day in the area. His only gear missing was for a long day on snow possibly hard/approximating ice. Most likely destination still points to Ritter/Banner as it fits the most mountaineering objective given what is known.

As also mentioned. I'm sure I'm not the only who wants to save a battery charge and turns off phone camping and then wakes up easily tent camping due to restless excitement about an early mornng adventure and turns on the phone near 3am to see what time it is only to go back to sleep for a couple more hours. A little coffee and wait for some pre dawn light for more favorable hitch hiking from early birds either employees or those like myself driving over Minaret Summit super early to avoid the shuttle to Agnew Meadow.

Talus and scree, snowfields and glaciers have many hidden places that can be overlooked even with a few careful search parties. It may not be this season but I think (as does cragman and others) that focusing on the Ritter/Banner area, particularly southeast to northeast is still the most fruitful place to search. My sincere condolences to Matt's family and friends as they seek closure to this mystery.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 24, 2013 - 03:43am PT
I look forward to hearing what HighTransverse and Split Pants have come up with re a list of what still needs to be searched.

I also am looking forward to hearing Paul Dostie's thoughts.
jeg

Social climber
center valley,Pa
Sep 25, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
We spoke with the gentleman(Arnold), who spoke with Matt the Friday before he went missing. We had 2 separate conversation with him.
1st conversation....He remembers Matt showing him pictures
of climbs he had done and climbs he wanted to do. He thought there were 2 climbs Matt wanted to do before leaving Mammoth, one being in Yosemite. I asked him if Ritter, Banner, iron mountain rang a bell and he said no but he thought one did start with a B. He also said Mt Lyell did ring a bell. He did recall matt talking about climbing in the minarets and getting into some dicey situations. He said he would look through some pages on line from the Secor book before our next conversation.

2nd conversation.... He was looking through the pages in Secor's SECOND edition online. Matt had the 3rd edition.
He is 100 percent sure Matt showed him the pages 395 and 371 and that Banner and Laurel rang a bell.
He also showed him page 404(cathedral peak).
Matt spoke to him about climbs he did and climbs he wanted to do but Arnold isn't sure which were the 2 he wanted to do. We did inform him that he may have showed him cathedral because he climbed it the previous year.

Arnold truly tried his best to remember that night. We need to remember that it was 2 months ago and Arnold is a NON climber.
He really kept talking about page 371 in the second edition. He was 100% sure matt showed him this page.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 25, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Credit: tdg119

This is the photo that Amazon is showing me in the preview for Page 371 of the Secor THIRD edition book. Based on your description it sounds like a match.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Sep 25, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Sounds like Laurel Mountain would be a good one-day solo destination from Mammoth Lakes:

http://www.summitpost.org/laurel-mountain/151761

Except how would Matt get to Convict Lake without wheels?
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 25, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Tiffany,

As far as I know, if you "look inside this book" for the THIRD edition of Secor, Amazon shows you pages from the SECOND edition. Look for a notice along the top of the page for the Amazon "search inside this book" results.

So that's why it's an exact match. I'm pretty sure the pagination for the 3rd edition is different (at some point managed to pull up an index for the 3rd edition somewhere).

But I assume Jill is saying that Arnold Morales said that Matt showed him the pictures that were on page 371 (Mts. Banner, Ritter, Halfdome and Clark in distance) and on page 395 (Mts. Lyell and McClure) in the second edition, not that Matt showed him pages with those numbers.

So we haven't confirmed yet that pages with those pictures are in the 3rd edition. But I bet they are -- they look kind of classic...

Bruce -- Interesting, though I assumed Jill meant Lyell when she wrote Laurel. Edit: Apparently he did mention Laurel (among other things).
jeg

Social climber
center valley,Pa
Sep 25, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
Yes, LA HIKER, Pag 371 in the second edition is the same picture as page 390 in the third edition. Tiffany your picture is correct. This is the picture Arnold remembers Matt showing him. He was 100 percent positive.

He remebered the name Laurel but he also remebered the pictures on those pages.
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 25, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
Sounds like Laurel Mountain would be a good one-day solo destination from Mammoth Lakes:

Except how would Matt get to Convict Lake without wheels?
There is regular bus service southbound 395, and the bus stop is right across the street from shady rest. The route would seem to have seen traffic in the last couple months tho, and noone has reported anything unusual.
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