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mattyj

Mountain climber
Truckee
Sep 9, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
Todd, I'm sorry and don't want to sound argumentative but your post is full of misleading information that feels like it's presented more as fact than "this is what some dude shopping at Mammoth Mountaineering told me".

thats what local climbers do. They get there the night before.

It's a 20 minute drive from town; the only point of bivvying would be if someone needed an alpine start and couldn't bum a ride. Starting at 7AM and making it back before nightfall isn't something most people could do, but it's hardly unheard of. Also while June Lake is up the road a little from Mammoth, people like Cragman probably still have a good idea what "local" climbers are up to.

Hikers leave paper notes on top of bigger rocks to notify where they went or if they took the shuttle back.

For a friend, maybe, but not as a generic heads-up on their trip itinerary in case they don't return.

Local climbers hang their gear in the trees to keep squirrels from destroying gear.

At the base of a multipitch route? Sure. At a trailhead like Agnew it makes no sense.

I fly under The Good Samaritan Law

Which would be relevant if you provided medical care to someone and they later tried to sue you, but doesn't really apply in this context.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 9, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
Tiffany and Ron,

Thank you for your words of sympathy. It's been really hard on all of us, but especially the students. Here is the link:

http://nazareth.patch.com/groups/schools/p/nazareth-area-middle-school-teacher-dies

I forwarded all of the information to Dan about the last people that we know of to speak with Matt. Also told him about the problem you were having getting into Matt's web mail at home and school. He said he was turning it all over to his detective to handle and will be away for the week. Just wanted to let you know in case you were not informed. I hope this helps in some way!

Supermama
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 9, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
High Traverse....in regards to the snowfields on Banner's northeast face, I'd add 2 to 3 hours of time. One would likely continue up the River Trail to the Garnet drainage, and head to the peak from there, then descend via the Notch route between the peaks.






Anyway...time for me to take a deep breath and say this.....

This thread, in my opinion, has become a cluster of hypotheticals and opinions by unqualified sources that only lead to diversion from reality.

One cannot walk into a retail store and assume they are going to get the gospel truth from a sales person.....and chasing every damn hypothetical that gets posited here is really getting annoying.

Since NO other information is coming forward regarding the information we would all LOVE..i.e. where, when, and from what trailhead did Matt go, we need to do one thing.....STOP all the friggin wordfest and re-hashing ad nauseum.... and get BOOTS on the TALUS where the evidence likely lies!!!

Too many hypothetical Chiefs.....not enough trail pounding warriors.....and time is running out....
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 9, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
Scragman...Scott is Dave's brother...Doh....!
10b4me

Ice climber
Soon 2B in Arizona
Sep 9, 2013 - 07:19pm PT

Anyway...time for me to take a deep breath and say this.....

This thread, in my opinion, has become a cluster of hypotheticals and opinions by unqualified sources that only lead to diversion from reality.

One cannot walk into a retail store and assume they are going to get the gospel truth from some pinheaded sales person.....and chasing every damn hypothetical that gets posited here is really getting annoying.

Since NO other information is coming forward regarding the information we would all LOVE..i.e. where, when, and from what trailhead did Matt go, we need to do one thing.....STOP all the friggin wordfest and re-hashing ad nauseum.... and get BOOTS on the TALUS where the evidence likely lies!!!

Too many hypothetical Chiefs.....not enough trail pounding warriors.....and time is running out....

I agree one hundred percent.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 9, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
Split
welcome back
If you look back you see I've added a few more possibilities to the South Notch area.
You should also note that someone posted they had descended the Ken-Clyde couloir so this can be marked as searched.

Yes. I can re-work the word doc I sent you but not till tomorrow night at the earliest
Leaving town 0-dark00 tomorrow
I'll see if I can do it on the return flight tomorrow night.

Cragman.
I'm doing my best to get my client satisfied for a few days running and make time to get out this weekend.
Now back to my regularly scheduled byte bashing
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 9, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Hightraverse

Thanks and will do....first I have to get caught up from the past two weeks:). Have lots of posts I need to read through.

Safe travels and lets catch up when we both have time......
Todd Quinn

Trad climber
Oceanside, CA
Sep 9, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
Well taken everyone. Respectfully I did not misquote anybody. I make friends in retail stores because I work in a climbing retail store. You have a way in bashing people that have put in the time searching for Matt. Simple I reported on what I experienced and the people I talked with. I believe Scott can be a tremendous value because of his endurance and knowledge. So yeah Cragman go buy him a beer.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 9, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
Todd...no "bashing" intended or implied.

We just need to be clear on things that were said....good information is what SAR is all about.

Cheers.
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 9, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
I was sittin' in McDonalds looking across the street (203) at Shady Rest, trying to put myself in his shoes. If you had to start your outing from there with no car - hitching a ride seems a little over-the-top/ desperate. There is a regular shuttle to the lakes basin's trails and Mammoth Pass etc, but nothing that alluring up there name-wise which he seemed to be after. From Shady Rest Campground you'd be looking to get up the hill (free shuttle via 203/ Main St), then transfer to another (pay) shuttle down into the middle fork of the San Joaquin, caught at Mammoth Mountain Inn. As far as physically searching, I only cruised the base of Horseshoe Slabs yesterday (high traffic area) and saw nothing unusual.
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 9, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
Been out of the loop for a few days. Just got caught up in the thread.

Splits' glad to see you out there
Cragman' thanks for keeping us grounded
Everyone.. Keep the discussion going. It may be becoming a long winded thread but its a continual source of ideas. For example I missed the whole Arnold thing. Sounds like the Chief took notice as well.

Good discussion on the cell phone technology. I think this is more important than people realize. Unless I missed something it 1) represents the last confirmed communication anyone had with Matt (text sent at 8:09p on 16th) and 2) represents the first verifiable change in his usual pattern of behavior (the text received at 2:53a on 17th). After that everything is conjecture.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Sep 9, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
Aside from phone records, hotmail account could provide some "real" info, like an email about his plans.
One, I lost access to my old yahoo email, and it wouldn't accept response to my security question, nor my password...I contacted them and stated that it was me and I needed to access my account asap "because I was suffering monetary damages" (this helps). The asked me to tell what I thought was the answer to my security question--in case there was a typo when I put it in. The also asked me to tell what one of my older passwords could have been. Then, they just emailed me the link to restore access, to another email account I provided. If you initiate a ticket (customer service request to restore account), it all depends on which representative it ends up with...the outcome can be 180 degrees different, so one may just keep trying. One rep will deny access, another will grant (of course, they would only grant access to the account owner, or if they believe you are account owner). And with entering the security question answer--the system will lock you out for some time, but then one can come back and keep trying new answers...I think the lock out happens for 24 or 48 hours only.
Psilocyborg

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 03:06am PT
Larry Conn, a member of the forum High Sierra Topix disappeared last year in the Taboose Pass area. SAR did their thing and came up with nothing. A few of us at HST got together to search areas we felt were likely. The situation was different, as there was a permit pulled, but like many of us Larry didn't stick to itineraries.

Anyway, we thrashed up and down Goodale Creek, some others check Armstrong canyon and Red Lake....his body turned up....very close to Taboose Pass proper.

Point is the most likely scenario is just that. And just because some areas have been gone over doesn't mean they are clear. I couldn't even begin to guess how many professional searchers walked right by Larrys body and gear, or at least within spitting distance.

Just don't give up!




Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 10, 2013 - 06:14am PT
Psilocyborg.....EXACTLY!!!!

Great post!
KellyDoesntClimb

Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
Sep 10, 2013 - 06:14am PT
HighTraverse, thanks for the heads up on the new possibilities and reminder that someone upthread had gone down the Ken-Clyde Couloir. It took me a couple of days to get it all into the map.

Ron/Tiff, I think it will let me export to a spreadsheet. Cragman wanted experienced climbers to focus on the Ritter range, and High Traverse made suggestions for places in the Minarets. Both are for experienced climbers. There are some trails that may not be as hard on the map. Some of the trails have been traveled, but not all.

Map:https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zH95mGu2yK0M.k0POTplcpetE

I really wish I was closer.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 10, 2013 - 06:16am PT
^For the record, the Minarets are part of the Ritter Range.


Also, the "trails" in this area have been HEAVILY traveled during the period that Matthew has been missing.

The area that desperately needs to be searched is OFF trail....in the talus.....the terrain the Matthew would have needed to be in to access the crags. Once you leave trail in this environment, it's a whole different ballgame.

That's why I mentioned the need for people experienced in this kind of terrain.
KellyDoesntClimb

Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
Sep 10, 2013 - 06:18am PT
Thanks cragman! I figured the Ritter range was just Ritter/Banner, and the Minarets were separate.

Thanks I will make a note on all the trails if they are on the JMT or PCT.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 10, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Spoke to the Detective today. He is all over getting releases for emails. Yeah! I'm so glad that ball is rolling. I agree, there could be pertinent information in the emails. I reminded him of how small our window of time is getting with the changing of the seasons.

Supermama
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 10, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
Thanks, Supermama! That's encouraging.

I appreciate your boldness and determination.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 10, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
Thanks Supermama!

I have not got much to add tonight, though we did follow up w the individual who sent that last text to Matt and he's certain he sent it the night before which confirms Matt turned his phone on at 2:53am. Doesn't help with much - maybe he checked the time, got up to use the bathroom, went back to bed, got a Start on the day...who knows. The only other thing it does tell us is that it confirms a break in his normal pattern.

We did also get confirmation that the individuals on FB were registered at the campground as stated and the detective has reached out to them. Fingers crossed.
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