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kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 16, 2013 - 12:04am PT
++ to crankster!! ^^^^

A thought about Matt's nighttime phone pattern. Where would Matt charge his phone? He probably left it somewhere to charge since I assume there were no outlets in a secure place at the campground. He may have asked neighboring campers to charge it in their car or RV. Did Matt's belongings include an AC charger, a car charger (cigarette lighter), or both? The other thought is he charged it in his car at the garage.

His nighttime pattern may have been different on the 16/17th simply because he had no place to charge the phone...no neighboring campers, or his car was locked up in the service bay for final repairs. So he kept it with him in the tent.

I know this is low-value conjecture but it could be a very simple answer to "what was different on the last night?"
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 16, 2013 - 02:51am PT
Tiffany,

I hope the Morales family provides some useful info. It's good that you opened that missing person case in Bethlehem. I hope that either the Bethlehem police or Detective Hornbeck can help get access to Matt's email accounts. I also hope that SplitPants has some luck with the Mammoth Lakes library network admin.

Maybe one or more of these avenues will provide a break in the case or at least help narrow things down.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 16, 2013 - 02:59am PT
Agreed!
ctadlock

Mountain climber
Mammoth Lakes
Sep 16, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Trip Report: Red's Meadow - Iron Mt

Summary: We did not find any sign of Matt. We searched the area from Reds Meadow to Fern Lake, then up to the crest via the main ridge, up to the first major peak, then down the crest, then down the chute back to Fern Lake. We were unable to summit; not enough time. We did not see any other hikers on the trail. From the crest we used binoculars to scan a very large area. Our group included myself, my girlfriend and my golden lab (Odie); we are acclimated to the altitude (we live here), experienced in the mountains and moved fairly quickly. I paid special attention to Odie sniffing things, but all he found was animal tracks.

Notes: This is an extremely rugged hike. While there is a trail up to Fern Lake, beyond that there is not a defined trail nor is there an obvious route that you would take up. I'd say there are 4-5 main routes up spanning a 2 mile wide area of the crest; we only checked 3. Any snow on the mountain at that time might totally change the route up. This makes it very difficult to know which area to search. The terrain is very, very loose granite chunks. It would be very easy to slip due to a rock sliding out or cause a rock slide; we had both happen several times. Beyond the crest, to the summit which we did not reach looked hazardous as well due to the rocks and the often high-wind gusts. Winds in that area can be very severe. We left Reds at 7am and returned at 5:30pm. From the crest I guesstimate it would have taken another 2 hours to the summit; that would put the total trip time at 14-15 hrs for an out and back. To go down the other side, and do the full loop would add some time as well. This area has a lot of animal activity; lots of deer, bear, ground rodents, birds and possible coyote (not sure how high they go up).

Opinion: I do not think that any hiker acting in a responsible manner would attempt this hike in one day while alone; doing so would be very risky. Even if Matt was a very fast hiker this is still a 20 mile, 14 hr hike on difficult terrain. One thing to note, he would have needed alternate transportation to Reds Meadow. The public buses and shuttle do not run until 8-9AM (depending on which one). If he took that it would delay the start ~2 hrs to about 9am. At that point an expected return time would be very late at night, and again there wouldn't be public transportation back to Shady. There is no chance he walked from Shady to Reds. Due to the animal activity, any remains would be scattered over a large area quickly. To get to the summit register, would require either an overnight hike or a small group of very fast hikers singularly focused on getting to the summit, and they would need an alpine start.

UPDATE 1:

Here is a map of the area we had good visibility to search for.
Credit: ctadlock


UPDATE 2:

This has probably been done.. but the trail to Fern Lake is a regular mule pack trail (lots of manure on the trail). The pack outfits should be contacted.

We did find a small button on the south shore of Fern lake.
Credit: ctadlock

UPDATE 3:

Here are some photos of the terrain, to give you an idea.
looking up at the main ridge from fern lake
looking up at the main ridge from fern lake
Credit: ctadlock
look up at the chute we came down from into fern lake
look up at the chute we came down from into fern lake
Credit: ctadlock
looking north at the ridge above anona lake
looking north at the ridge above anona lake
Credit: ctadlock
looking at the minarets past anona lake
looking at the minarets past anona lake
Credit: ctadlock
looking at the ridge leading to iron mt above anona lake
looking at the ridge leading to iron mt above anona lake
Credit: ctadlock
500+ft of loose granite scree
500+ft of loose granite scree
Credit: ctadlock
looking down the chute; we are past the steep section
looking down the chute; we are past the steep section
Credit: ctadlock
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Sep 16, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Does anyone know how many cellphone towers there are in the Mammoth area?

Is there a good map? What I found so far doesn't get down to the detail level neeeded.

Getting warmer.

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitestart.asp?sourcepagename=reportviewer2&prevsessionidnum=525400415&prevordernum=
1&previtemnum=1§ionname=towerreview&pagename=towerreview&pagenum=
1&cmdrequest=pagehandler


kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 16, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
@ctadlock- Great search effort which everyone appreciates...everything helps but physical searches are the most valuable since they're ultimately how Matt will be found. Note the button you found uses British/Canadian/Aussie spelling, not the American spelling.

@zBrown- Discussed before, the Verizon logs included 3 sites in the Mammoth area...by the library, near Norco (auto service center), and by the top chalet on top of the mountain. The exact lat/lon provided were confirmed on Google satellite and street views and incidental photos of the top chalet. The "antenna finder" site is the wrong context for your investigation and the map only shows 1 of the 3 Verizon sites (it shows tower structures only and not the many different "tenants" on a typical tower). Hope this helps, send me a message if you need the exact lat/lon.

zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Sep 16, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
On the same site, the antennas map shows 90 within 4 miles of 96 Beaver Ct., while 5 towers are shown on the tower map. It even breaks down antennas as to single or multiple. It's an interesting site. Trying to see if the 4 mile range can be expanded.

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitestart.asp?sourcepagename=reportviewer2&prevsessionidnum=525400415&prevordernum=
1&previtemnum=1§ionname=txreview&pagename=txreview&pagenum=
1&cmdrequest=pagehandler

EDIT: URL's have had carriage returns inserted to stop stretching the page.
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 16, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
^^zBrown- That's way better! On the map and list, #1, #12, and #52 are the 3 locations of Verizon sites. FYI, anything in the 450 or 800MHz band is CDMA to/from phone handsets. Other Verizon frequencies are for their internal infrastructure.

A cell site is 9-15 antennas arranged in a triangle; each one covers a 20-40 degree slice. The approximate direction from the cell site can be figured out by knowing which antenna(s) a phone "hit". I seem to recall that Verizon won't research it without law enforcement involvement.

From personal experience, Verizon coverage west of Minaret Summit is spotty at best and usually zero. There may be coverage higher up the east slope of Ritter and the Minarets (cell signals are mostly line-of-sight) if the site on Mammoth Mtn is set up for a 360 degree signal. Coverage at Lake Mary is good...terrain is the big thing.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
I've been away for several days. Had my head buried in work including a trip to Seattle.
CyDuke posted a very good link a few days ago.
http://hikenhi.smugmug.com/Davids-Hiking-and/Mount-Ritter-July-2013
"David" spent several days in the Minarets/Ritter/Banner area alone and with a friend in mid August this year
The 2nd photo on the site is his topo map.

His base camp was at the site above Ediza.
Besides the excellent high definition photos of several aspects of the range there is useful information.
Routes he/they covered
First: Solo Ediza->Iceberg->Cecile
then ascended South Notch. Climbed NW ridge of Kehrlein Minaret. He has many photos of Amphitheater Lake (which he thinks is un-named and calls "alpine" lake) and East face of Adams, back side of Ken and return via South Notch. The ruggedness of the area, especially the E Face of Adams is clear (Secor has no routes listed for E Face of Adams)

We can consider South Notch east side and NW route on Kerhlein covered. Note that he needed his crampons on the South Notch glacier.

His second outing was with friend and they climbed Ritter via SE Glacier. He also has a photo of another climber descending the glacier.
We can consider Ritter SE glacier covered.

Third trip, also with friend, was a round trip around Nydiver lakes towards NE side of Banner. A lot of XC travel but no climbing.

His fourth, also solo: Attempted the Central Chute on Clyde Minaret. Approached via Cecile Lake and climbed about 4 pitches before retreating from a 5th class section.
We can consider the traverse from Cecile Lake to beneath the N Face of Clyde Minaret covered. There's still a considerable distance from there to Cragman's furthest south excursion along the same giant ledge system.

This helps us eliminate (at least for the first pass) a lot of difficult ground. His notes contain a lot of detail and we can assume they didn't come across anything suspicious.

These are excellent reference photos, especially for the snow/ice conditions a month after Matt's disappearance.
He might be contacted to see if he can be of any help with information about Matt

F
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 16, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
CTadlock --- thank you!!!
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 16, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
High Traverse - thank you for reposting that link to photos. What a great reference they are!

Cyduke - thank you for posting that link.

Will someone be contacting the photographer to see if he noticed anything unusual?
Dan Watson

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Sep 17, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
Here's an update on the Mammoth Lakes missing person investigation. I just got back after being out of town for over one week. Detective Hornbeck finally located Morales. He didn't have any valuable information, but believed that if he reviewed the missing pages, that could trigger his memory. This information has been provided to Jill and Tiffany who will follow-up with Morales.

Detective Hornbeck has been in contact with the Bethlehem Sergeant who is handling their missing person investigation. All of our reports and files have been sent to him. They will be exchanging any information they discover.

Hornbeck was also able to access Matt's work e-mails. Nothing of value was there. It was all work related.



LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 17, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
Thanks for the update, Chief Watson! I'm glad Tiffany and Jill will be able to follow up with Morales.

It's great that your department and the Bethlehem police department will be sharing all info in their respective missing persons cases.

Regarding Matt's email accounts, I hope his Hotmail account proves more fruitful.

I also hope that details of Matt's work emails can be provided to the family. Because Matt didn't have a smartphone and apparently send all email from the Mammoth library, even the timing of the emails he sent can contribute to a detailed picture of his habits while in Mammoth and especially to an understanding of what he did in the last few days before July 17th.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 17, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
ctadlock....Thank you for all of your efforts and report! This will definitely close in the search area.

High Traverse...Thank you for the photos and deductive reasoning. I agree the family should try to contact the photographer.

Dan Watson...thank you for your follow through! Knowing that every rock has been turned over and every effort to find Matt has been made will bring peace to those who are missing him.

The community is holding a fund raiser to help in the search efforts. We haven't given up hope. Please know that all of the searchers' time, energy and knowledge of climbing and teamwork have not gone unnoticed. You all are an amazing group of people. Thank you for trying!

Supermama
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
Sorry I have been gone a while. I got way behind in my personal and business life.

I came across this in the mammoth mountain forum tonight and thought I would share:
http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=16544

http://www.highsierratopix.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10010
I like this and the idea behind the form. We will use it I am sure.

At some point down the line maybe we can figure out a way to get the word out on this. Maybe a non profit or something?



kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 18, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Matt is very likely in the backcountry and that's where the physical search is focused. There's a collection of scenarios in this thread that place Matt elsewhere. All are agreed to be very unlikely, but added together there's a greater (but still very small) probability that Matt isn't in the backcountry.

Has family formally entered Matt onto various US and Canadian databases in case law enforcement, a hospital, or the public recognizes him? I think some are run by law enforcement and others as private websites. Now that Bethlehem PD and MLPD have missing person reports, it may be easier to obtain a database entry. Just a thought...
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 18, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
Split Pants...great form! At least something good can come of Matt's disappearance.

Kenish...if we only had more of a clue as to where he was heading. It's a shame Morales' couldn't remember anything.

The school email didn't have any information, so lets hope authorities are trying to get into the Hotmail account. That is all we have left from the technology point of view.

There is a t-shirt fund raiser, along with others, to help with search and rescue efforts. Since SAR is all volunteer work, maybe the family could contact a group that would work for pay to search for Matt. Does one even exist? Time is of the essence. (Sorry if this was already discussed)

Supermama
maverick01

climber
Sep 18, 2013 - 06:38pm PT

Hi SplitPants,

This forum was the first place I posted it after finishing it
but unfortunately no one noticed it and went down the list every fast.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2228290/ReConn-Form
I am hoping a Supertopo Moderator would place it somewhere on
this site so folks can access it, we have it pinned for the
moment on HST but it will be in our "Announcements" section
permanently for all members and non members to download it.
Hopefully we will be able to avoid situations like Larry's and
Matthew's in the future or at the least bring a quicker resolution
to all involved.
Please take advantage of it!

Maverick

PS I am aware of my misspelling and that the number 2 is
missing off the Yosemite Dispatches Phone Number, but we
are having some technical difficulties which makes correcting
these not possible at this moment.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 19, 2013 - 12:02am PT
Supermama,

How about using some of t-shirt fundraiser money to hire the retired detective from Mammoth who works with his dog, Paul Dostie......mentioned in visions and dreams thread.....

Also - I sent Find Matt Greene poster to 3 Chambers of Commerce and got this reply today:
**
**//Mammoth Lakes Chamber of Commerce

Yes, I will include it in our weekly email blast which reaches 1,000 people.//

I haven't received a reply from Mariposa Chamber (Yosemite) or Minden, NV.
Any other suggestions of places to send it? I mentioned that we (you) are looking for someone who may have spoken to Matt close to July 16th that might have an idea where he went on the 17th.
-------------------------------------------------------


I contacted Harv Galic from Stanford who wrote about the Rettenbachers, a couple who died climbing Banner Mtn in the 1930s, and who were buried near by.....part of his response as follows:

Wendy, I am painfully aware of Matt's disappearance. I came back from
the Sierra yesterday, and I can tell you that the 'missing' posters
are everywhere: at trailheads, national park's enter/exit stations,
forest service ranger station, etc. Actually, I was climbing in the
Minarets (which would be an area of high interest to Matt, and close
to his last known location) in the last week of July. At that time
Matt's disappearance was not yet known, but I didn't see anything
suspicious. However, that means nothing. Even if hundreds of people
were to comb the Minarets, they could still easily miss finding any
clues.


For the sake of family and friends, I wish there is a closure to
Matthew's case, and soon. However, the first snow may come to the
Ritter Range and nearby high mountains as soon as this weekend.

-Harv


Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 19, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Pacarockhound...Thank you for your suggestions. Matt's family, who checks in with this forum, would need to decide how they want to spend the money. I'm sure they will see this, so thank you.

Great job sending out the flyers to everyone! The more people who know, the better! Perhaps someone else from the area could suggest other places to send the flyer. I am not from the area.

Please send Harv a big thank you for his report and words of wisdom. I realize the odds are against Matt. All we can do is pray for a miracle!

If anyone else has any other suggestions, please chime in.

Will anyone be hiking in the area this weekend?
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