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pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 9, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Todd, Ditto!

Thank you for your searching, speaking with people, putting up posters, and for sharing what you learned!

MelissaSimock

climber
Los Angeles
Sep 9, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
Does anyone know if Matt happens to have rescue insurance. There are a few places to purchase it from, such as American Alpine Club membership, Global Rescue Inc., or GEOS Alliance. It would be used to cover SAR costs. Considering how much he climbed, I thought it might be a possibility.
mattyj

Mountain climber
Truckee
Sep 9, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
At this point, there's nothing that rescue insurance would do. The agencies officially responsible for searching for Matt do not bill for their efforts. Rescue insurance isn't going to pay unofficial 3rd parties to ground pound the wilderness in an open-ended search for Matt, as 1) this isn't what it's intended for and 2) an open-ended, paid search would likely spell financial ruin for such funds. Even if there were money available to pay searchers, anyone doing so would have to go through much of the same red tape that guiding companies do, since they'd also be running a high-liability commercial enterprise on public land.
MelissaSimock

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 9, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
Ok, good to know. Thanks!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 9, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Todd...did you attend self high...?
Todd Quinn

Trad climber
Oceanside, CA
Sep 9, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Thank you everyone. Cragman the testimony Scott gave me was helpful because thatís what local climbers do. They get there the night before. As long as you agree it is Agnew trail as the start? For all to agree?

crankster, the gear has bothered me from day one. Every climber has secondary gear I would rather not debate this, because it goes no where with non climbers. One example is the Black Diamond Alpine harness Matt is wearing in a picture. He had two harnesses.

10b4me, sorry let me explain. At the start at Agnew trail there is no bulletin board. Hikers leave paper notes on top of bigger rocks to notify where they went or if they took the shuttle back.

Wade Icey, Once again sorry. Local climbers hang their gear in the trees to keep squirrels from destroying gear. I wasnít thinking this way until I heard a local talk about it.

HighTraverse thank you, AAC Jeff Deikis got back to me. He has put the call out to members to be on the lookout Matt. Very cool, he further explained AAC member benefits do not cover missing hikers. Even if Matt was a Member they would be limited on what they could do?

Mattyj, I fly under The Good Samaritan Law. Volunteers, industry, community, Alpine schools, anyone willing to help should be encouraged to. But I do get your point. Anyone is free to PM me.

tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 9, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Thanks Todd!

I've posted a Plea to Facebook for locals and/or hikers/climbers to help us look before snow falls. I've gotten a few responses but I could use some help directing them WHERE to search.

So far, people that could do a couple miles in and that's it. Hey, I'll take it. Please help me determine some easier routes to cross off our map.

If possible, establishing maybe some easy, middle, and tougher/longer routes would help as volunteers come forward.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 9, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
Todd...

Thank you from the east coast! You have no idea how much it means to everyone here who can not get to Yosemite to help.

Everyone...

Our school has suffered another tragic loss today. A 46 year old middle school teacher died yesterday, leaving behind 3 children and her husband. Our community is in a state of shock. The students are still hopeful Matt will return and are mourning the loss of one of their favorite middle school teachers.

Anything anyone can do means so much:) All of you are our only hope in finding Matt.

Supermama
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 9, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
So sorry Supermama; had not seen nothing on the news. So sad; will say a prayer for the family.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 9, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
Does the Appalachian Mountain Club have any connections or people in Mammoth Lakes? Have they been contacted? Maybe because Matt grew up in the shadows of the Appalachians....(Blue Mountains my father used to call them) they would help.

Also - was Anderson Cooper ever contacted?

Can the Bethlehem PA police help expedite the search process?

And, my last idea of the day, has Robert Redford been contacted??

SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 9, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Tiffany/Ron,
Perhaps some of the groups that can help search are those listed on page 34 of the Secor book. I "think" I may have emailed you these pages, if not let me know and I can scan and send.

HighTraverse/Cragman/All
Anyway to come up with a list and label by effort?

tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 9, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Did not reach out o Applalachian club. can certainly give it a go.

Don't think we tried Anderson Cooper; hounded Nancy Grace to no avail.

I'm in process of opening the official missing persons case in PA; should know hotly what they can/cannot do for us.

No on Robert Redford.
mattyj

Mountain climber
Truckee
Sep 9, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
Todd, I'm sorry and don't want to sound argumentative but your post is full of misleading information that feels like it's presented more as fact than "this is what some dude shopping at Mammoth Mountaineering told me".

thatís what local climbers do. They get there the night before.

It's a 20 minute drive from town; the only point of bivvying would be if someone needed an alpine start and couldn't bum a ride. Starting at 7AM and making it back before nightfall isn't something most people could do, but it's hardly unheard of. Also while June Lake is up the road a little from Mammoth, people like Cragman probably still have a good idea what "local" climbers are up to.

Hikers leave paper notes on top of bigger rocks to notify where they went or if they took the shuttle back.

For a friend, maybe, but not as a generic heads-up on their trip itinerary in case they don't return.

Local climbers hang their gear in the trees to keep squirrels from destroying gear.

At the base of a multipitch route? Sure. At a trailhead like Agnew it makes no sense.

I fly under The Good Samaritan Law

Which would be relevant if you provided medical care to someone and they later tried to sue you, but doesn't really apply in this context.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 9, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
Tiffany and Ron,

Thank you for your words of sympathy. It's been really hard on all of us, but especially the students. Here is the link:

http://nazareth.patch.com/groups/schools/p/nazareth-area-middle-school-teacher-dies

I forwarded all of the information to Dan about the last people that we know of to speak with Matt. Also told him about the problem you were having getting into Matt's web mail at home and school. He said he was turning it all over to his detective to handle and will be away for the week. Just wanted to let you know in case you were not informed. I hope this helps in some way!

Supermama
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 9, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
High Traverse....in regards to the snowfields on Banner's northeast face, I'd add 2 to 3 hours of time. One would likely continue up the River Trail to the Garnet drainage, and head to the peak from there, then descend via the Notch route between the peaks.






Anyway...time for me to take a deep breath and say this.....

This thread, in my opinion, has become a cluster of hypotheticals and opinions by unqualified sources that only lead to diversion from reality.

One cannot walk into a retail store and assume they are going to get the gospel truth from a sales person.....and chasing every damn hypothetical that gets posited here is really getting annoying.

Since NO other information is coming forward regarding the information we would all LOVE..i.e. where, when, and from what trailhead did Matt go, we need to do one thing.....STOP all the friggin wordfest and re-hashing ad nauseum.... and get BOOTS on the TALUS where the evidence likely lies!!!

Too many hypothetical Chiefs.....not enough trail pounding warriors.....and time is running out....
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 9, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
Scragman...Scott is Dave's brother...Doh....!
10b4me

Ice climber
Soon 2B in Arizona
Sep 9, 2013 - 10:19pm PT

Anyway...time for me to take a deep breath and say this.....

This thread, in my opinion, has become a cluster of hypotheticals and opinions by unqualified sources that only lead to diversion from reality.

One cannot walk into a retail store and assume they are going to get the gospel truth from some pinheaded sales person.....and chasing every damn hypothetical that gets posited here is really getting annoying.

Since NO other information is coming forward regarding the information we would all LOVE..i.e. where, when, and from what trailhead did Matt go, we need to do one thing.....STOP all the friggin wordfest and re-hashing ad nauseum.... and get BOOTS on the TALUS where the evidence likely lies!!!

Too many hypothetical Chiefs.....not enough trail pounding warriors.....and time is running out....

I agree one hundred percent.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 9, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Split
welcome back
If you look back you see I've added a few more possibilities to the South Notch area.
You should also note that someone posted they had descended the Ken-Clyde couloir so this can be marked as searched.

Yes. I can re-work the word doc I sent you but not till tomorrow night at the earliest
Leaving town 0-dark00 tomorrow
I'll see if I can do it on the return flight tomorrow night.

Cragman.
I'm doing my best to get my client satisfied for a few days running and make time to get out this weekend.
Now back to my regularly scheduled byte bashing
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 9, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
Hightraverse

Thanks and will do....first I have to get caught up from the past two weeks:). Have lots of posts I need to read through.

Safe travels and lets catch up when we both have time......
Todd Quinn

Trad climber
Oceanside, CA
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Well taken everyone. Respectfully I did not misquote anybody. I make friends in retail stores because I work in a climbing retail store. You have a way in bashing people that have put in the time searching for Matt. Simple I reported on what I experienced and the people I talked with. I believe Scott can be a tremendous value because of his endurance and knowledge. So yeah Cragman go buy him a beer.
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