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SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
Tiffany/Ron

That is somewhat good news. You have established a fact......Matt's phone was off and for some unknown reason he turned it on at 2:53 am. Hope they can find something out from the campers at Shadyrest.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 10, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
Tiffany/Ron...

Anything to help. Let's pray the detective follows through and comes up with some kind of lead.


Split Pants....welcome back!



Supermama
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
Did the garage tell Matt his car would be ready on the 17th, and what time? If they told him the 17th, would Matt be likely to hurry back and get his car before closing time, or the next morning? That might give insight to Matt's mental "timeline" for a last climb, and rule areas in or out. Apologies if this has already been asked or answered.

FYI, I read that Mammoth Lakes' city manager left, and Chief Watson is filling in....so he's got his plate full. No doubt he appreciates the search efforts. Let's hope Matt's emails provide new leads.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 11, 2013 - 06:18am PT
When he spoke to my parents on 16th, it was supposed to be ready on 18th but the Impression he gave my parents was that he expected them to string it out longer since that'd been his experience with them (keep in mind his car was in shop since June 28).

Keep in mind he spoke to the garage AFTER that discussion too so that date could have changed. I honestly don't know what they told him that last time.

FWIW, I think the invoice for the car repair was created the following week.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 11, 2013 - 07:13am PT
Then there was no hurry to get back to the car until at least the 18th or later and his options were open...

Supermama
Chief Dan Watson

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Sep 11, 2013 - 11:13am PT
Detective Hornbeck previously spoke to the people camping on each side of Matthew. They did not converse with him. He has located contact information for Arnold Morales in Bakersfield and has left a message for him to call.

He also has checked with the Library. During July, there was only one wireless client who accessed summitpost.com. Other sites accessed include mountain project.com, climbing arc.com, and super topo.com. Unfortunately, the Library cannot determine who accessed the sites. They don't check the ID of computer users and have no way of knowing who is online at any given time.
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 11:23am PT
Supermama-He is all over getting releases for emails. Yeah! I'm so glad that ball is rolling.


YES! [/pumps fist/]
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 11:40am PT
tdg119-though we did follow up w the individual who sent that last text to Matt and he's certain he sent it the night before which confirms Matt turned his phone on at 2:53am. Doesn't help with much

This is Huge.. It does help a lot. It establishes that Matt's phone was off and not left on all night. It increases the chances that Matt followed his normal routine the evening before. You yourself has commented on how Matt's routine was like clockwork until the morning of the 17th. Unfortunately it doesn't establish that Matt turned on the phone, it could have been turned on by something or someone else.

These little details help paint a clearer picture of when Matt dropped off the grid before he was confirmed missing.

Along the lines of establishing Matt's whereabouts on the evening of the 16th. Does anyone know if there were any club events, social events or other things going on in Mammoth that Matt would have attended that night. A band that he may have wanted to see or since it was a Tuesday, perhaps a midweek restaurant special.
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Tiffany/Ron Is there any chance you can ask the person that sent the 2:53a Text for even a rough estimate of the time he sent it? it would help to bracket when Matt's Cell phone was turned off.

For example the last message Matt received on the 16th was at 8:34p PT, that would be 11:34p ET. So we know his cell phone was on at that time. If Matt's friend sent the text before midnight then we would know the Cell phone was off by 9pm PT and in line with his normal pattern.
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 11, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
Since Matt didn't expect his car to be ready until the 18th, his "timeline" would be dusk on the 17th since the gear inventory doesn't suggest an overnight. On the 17th, sunrise was 0548, sunset was 816pm, and twilight ended at 847p. There was a quarter moon so a flashlight would be required after that. Matt seems like the type who took all that into account in his plans, along with transportation back to the campground.

Something that didn't occur to me is posting to mountain biking forums. Mammoth is crawling with MTB riders during the summer (me included). MTBR.com has a national audience, and the other is So Cal Trailriders. Terrain and laws exclude MTB from the wilderness areas, but a rider may have met Matt in town, on a shuttle bus, or at the campground. I will post a link to the "find Matt" Facebook page on both. There's similar forums for the Bay Area but I don't know the MTB "scene" there...does someone subscribe to one up there or have a friend who can post?

I don't fish, but a post on the appropriate fishing forum(s) might be good...there's quite a bit more presence in the back country compared to mountain bikers.

Hoping that retrieval of Matt's emails provide clues that increase or decrease the probability of different search areas or scenarios.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 11, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Thanks, Chief Watson, for the update. Looks like I was wrong -- sounds like the Morales family has not been previously interviewed. So I hope they provide lots of useful information!

Thanks for the library information. I did have one question (maybe I or someone else here can contact Detective Hornbeck directly). You say that ďthere was only one wireless client who accessed summitpost.com.Ē Do you mean that the library has WiFi and there was only one person who accessed that site using a wireless device such as an iPhone? As far as I know, Mattís phone did not have internet capability, (please correct me if I'm wrong) so he would have accessed the internet using the library's PCs, not through WiFi. Or do you mean that the PCs in the library connect to the internet through the libraryís WiFi and that there was only one person who contacted that site, whether on a PC or through WiFi?

Edit: Apparently though the library also has WiFi, the library's workstations are connected through a wireless network, so that might have been all that was meant.

Also, is it possible to tell what dates people accessed those sites using the PCs at the library? (I had thought that info was lost, but if it's possible to tell which sites were accessed, maybe not...) We know Matt was in the library on the 16th. I think that climbing sites that were accessed in the last days before Matt disappeared, and especially on the 16th, would be of special interest. We know Matt posted something on Summitpost on the 16th, but we donít know what other sites he looked at, which he might have used to plan his activities on the 17th. Knowing that might help narrow things down.
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
The last person to text Matt either no longer has that phone and/or is no longer using that cell phone provider.. that is what I recall. But yes it makes me scratch my head as well. I used to be with Verizon and once I ported my number away from them I no longer had access into my acct on their website.
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
@Kenish those would be good groups to follow up with... I agree.

I don't know what you mean by "his 'timeline'"? Matt's last confirm-able known interaction with anything was the text message that he sent at 8:09pm on the 16th of July. There was no communication from anything that was associated with him after 2:53a on the 17th of July.
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
Tioga-Text message data table contains "time sent" field, so this is possible to determine for even old text messages on the receiver side
That is correct, but we are operating with information that has not been acquired through a subpoena. And we may never be privy to that information. It would sure be nice to know though. It would be another piece of the puzzle.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 11, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
MGuzzy, I agree that itís important to know that Matt (or someone) turned his phone on at 2:53am on the 17th, and it would be great to know exactly when the text was sent so we know when Matt's phone was off or unreachable.

Looking at Matt's movements on the 16th: According to the phone records, Matt was in town during mid-afternoon (spoke for 24 minutes with his parents, apparently saying the car would be ready on the 18th but that the garage might string it out later).

Then his last communication for which we have a location was on the afternoon of the 16th, when he called the repair shop at 4:29pm (1 minute) and 4:35pm (2 minutes), from the direction of Mammoth Mountain (perhaps from near the main lodge). I wonder what they told him in those brief calls, and whether the person who answered the call could even answer his question. (Maybe to confirm it would be ready on the 18th, or to see if it might actually be done sooner?)

After those calls on the 16th, Matt sent and received texts intermittently between 4:40pm and 8:34pm, apparently with friends in Pennsylvania, and according to Tiffany, everything seemed fine. I had assumed that the final couple of texts sent/received were from his tent, but youíre right that he could have been elsewhere. (Doesnít seem the type to be into night life, however.)

Finally, while it looks like Matt turned his phone off within a certain range of times each night, our evidence on when he typically turned it on is less clear. As Iíve said before, the only reason we know his phone was on at 2:53am that morning is because it received a text from the night before, which registered at that time. On many other days, the only evidence we have of the phone being on is from late afternoon, yet Matt may well have turned on the phone earlier in the day, or even in the wee hours of the morning. Unless he made or received a call or text, we canít tell whether his phone was on or off. (Maybe Verizon has more info about this, but we can't tell it from the log we have.)
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
If I recall they will comply completely with LE.. so we'll need to be patient while LE does their job. There was a some discussion of the procedures and avenues LE has upthread. The family would need to file a subpoena if they wanted to proceed independently of LE.
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
LAHiker.. that is exactly it. If we get a time that text was sent, then we know it was waiting to be received by a phone that was not on (connected to the cell network) during that time frame.

Tioga- We are in agreement, Yes that information is there somewhere and with access to Verizon Logs it would be obvious. So for now all we can do is ask the person involved about their recollection.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 11, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
Tioga,

Thanks. Yes, I'd feared that the phone's on/off info would no longer be available.

I have a question regarding the library records. Chief Watson says that Detective Hornbeck checked with the library and found the following:

During July, there was only one wireless client who accessed summitpost.com. Other sites accessed include mountain project.com, climbing arc.com, and super topo.com. Unfortunately, the Library cannot determine who accessed the sites. They don't check the ID of computer users and have no way of knowing who is online at any given time.

What do you think is meant by "wireless client"? Would this mean a library patron using a wireless device such as an iPhone, or do you think it would include access to the internet using the PCs in the library as well as WiFi? Or is it not clear what was meant?

The reason I ask is that as far as I know, Matt's phone didn't have internet access and he was in the library to use the PCs...
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
LAhiker- I read that to mean the Library's network of workstation clients are connected wirelessly.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 11, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Thanks, MGuzzy! I just called the library to confirm (and also to find out whether the library has WiFi, for my own info if I go to Mammoth Lakes).

The patient, overworked woman said that the library does have WiFi and confirmed that the PCs are connected by some kind of non-commercially available wireless network, though she implied that wasn't her area.

Because I'd explained why I was calling, she also volunteered that someone had called to try to see if Matt might have printed anything out, but that thousands of people print things out there, so that info would not be easy to find.

She wished us luck.
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