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SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 5, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
All,
This is the call/text detail I have for the 16th and 17th (Tiffany let me know if I copy/pasted something wrong).

7/16 11:12 AM EDT / 8:12 AM PDT 1 Peak -- (voicemail)
7/16 6:00 PM EDT / 3:00 PM PDT Text Sent
7/16 6:06 PM EDT / 3:06 PM PDT 24 Peak -- (parents)
From 8:12 AM to 3:06 PM cell phone registered:
Lat 37.638167 Lon -118.961611, 1601 Meridian Blvd, Mammoth Lakes, Ca.
Directly south of the library. Directly north a mile or two from where Matt was camping.

7/16 7:29 PM EDT / 4:29 PM PDT 1 Peak -- (repair shop)
7/16 7:35 PM EDT / 4:35 PM DPT 2 Peak -- (repair shop)
From 4:29 PM to 4:35 PM cell phone registered:
Lat 37.630528 Lon -119.033078, 5920 Minaret Rd, Mammoth Lakes, Ca, top of Mammoth Mtn. After examination/discussing with SAR and looking at the Azimuth (deg) per the ping, it was determined Matt "possibly" called from the Main Lodge or anywhere in that direction.

This is the last phone call from Matt’s phone (per MLPD no more pings after the 16th of July at 4:35 pm)

7/16 7:40 PM EDT / 4:40 PM PDT Text Sent
7/16 8:57 PM EDT / 5:57 PM PDT Text Received
7/16 9:13 PM EDT / 6:13 PM PDT Text Sent
7/16 10:38 PM EDT / 7:38 PM PDT Text Received
7/16 10:52 PM EDT / 7:52 PM PDT Text Received
7/16 11:09 PM EDT / 8:09 PM PDT Text Sent
7/16 11:34 PM EDT / 8:34 PM PDT Text Received

Per MLPD Verizon re: text message retrieval. Verizon only holds that information for about 3 to 4 days.
Per Verizon too much time has passed by.


July 17th (Wednesday)
07/17 5:53 AM EDT / 2:53 AM PDT Text Received

Family traced who sent that last txt message and made contact but unfortunately the individual does not remember what he'd said and it's no longer on his phone.

Per MLPD: 2:48 pm, July 17, 2013, 39 Pinecrest, Mammoth Lakes, Ca, Verizon building and tower.This address is the main Verizon building/tower in Mammoth Lakes. There is no outbound phone call activity after the 16th of July, as indicated on my Verizon emergency request re: Greene’s cell phone, his phone was turned off/powered off.
The 2:48 pm is not a ping, because there is no Lat & Lon indicated.

Per MLPD: Verizon nor any other cellular service provider ping text, it pings the telephone when the telephone is on, not turned off.

Per MLPD: There were 3 phone calls to Matt's number on this day and they reverted back to the main Verizon tower on Pinecrest.

Per MLPD: From July 17, 2013 to July 30, 2013, 39 Pinecrest, Mammoth Lakes, Ca
letterfromthesky

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
put yourself there...Its 3am, its mid-week (quite), the people to the left and right of you are gone. No one is nearby. Someone attacks him, grabs his body and gear, tring to dispose of the evidence or make it look like a hiking accident or grabing the easist thing of value.

I am going to preface this as a non-climber/non-hiker/major indoor girl, so I am well aware that anything I contribute should be taken with a salt lick. However, I've been following this thread for the better part of two weeks now, and the discussions today really hit me.

If it was a robbery, why would they even bother with Matt's phone? I have a similar, low tech phone, and there is no value to it. I don't even think it retails for 30 dollars. I wouldn't see anyone bothering with it. It is essentially worthless, and not being a smartphone, there would be no personal data (charge card numbers, bank numbers, email, ect) to steal and set up an identity fraud. This to me would rule out that it was anyone but Matt turning on the phone. I would think that a thief would leave it alone.

The same thing for the equipment. If it was a random attack, how would they know what to take to get the most value? If you put a whole bunch of hiking and camping equipment in front of me, I'd be hard pressed to pick the most valuable. I could guess what would be the most expensive, but in terms of what would be easiest to sell off for a quick buck... no clue. Between that and none of his equipment showing up any pawn/resell stores, I would rule out a random foul play situation. If it someone who knew what they were doing and was trying to set a scene, then I have no clue.

As far as the early morning text goes, if he was looking for the person who was going to be giving him a ride, wouldn't there be another text/phone call? Something along the line "Hey, I am here." or "Running late" or "See you soon." from either of the parties? Or was that not Matt's style? I am an over communicator, so it would be characteristic for me do something like that, but I don't know if it would be in line with Matt.

(Do we know who sent that last text and at what time? For instance was it really sent at 3a, or was it sent sometime the previous evening and was received when the phone was turned on? My apologies if this has been gone over a million times... I've read and read this thread, but the one time I post I'm drawing a blank!)
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Sep 5, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
Attack in such campground is very extremely unlikely...way more likely is a mountain lion. I actually lived in East Sierra campgrounds for extended periods of times. Night time attack in camp isn't happening...I worry about lions way more than about humans, as sleep alone away from and on edges of campgrounds to get away from noise. Those who say mountain lions don't touch people ....I personally been told by Yose SAR they thought lions might do things to lone hiker. Anyway, why are there signs "Lion been seen, do not hike alone", all over Sierra campgrounds? There's a reason for this. Lions often bury their prey in secure area, by the way, speaking of leaving no traces. Sorry, I worked with big cats...don't buy into idea they're 100% safe. You can't predict big cat.

Anyway, if he was somehow attacked in campground, he'd not be busy turning the cellphone on...trust me. In these situations, you resort to physical defense.

The person who texted him not remembering anything is really weird.

When you say "text message received" at 2.53am--are you sure you mean that phone was turned on? Receipt of a text message can mean different things, including message simply being "delivered" by the system. If the phone was turned on it likely results in some kind of location ping (location via triangulation on 2 tower data on that phone most likely). And yes, when you're in area (remote) where your phone can receive signal from one tower only, it can't be triangulated, so I believe no gps = no location in that particular case.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 5, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
Fact. More people have been murdered in Yosemite then killed by mt lions, bears, snakes combined.
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 5, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
Thought the family/friends would like to know that Todd went up to Mammoth. He just checked into the same campsite, space #161.

LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 5, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
SplitPants,

That's great -- Todd can get a feel for the campground, and I think he said he might hike to Agnew Meadows so he could search on the way.

(BTW, I thought Matt was in campsite #164. But even if that's so, it's right next door...)
WBraun

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
You folks are doing some great detective work.

"The phone was turned off"

In order for a phone to be really turned off it has to be actually powered off or battery removed not just the lid closed or wait for the screen to go off.

You'll know when your phone is really actually off by having to power it back up manually and you'll see it reboot into it's operating system.

Normally a phone just goes to sleep and wakes every so many milliseconds without the screen turning on to check for a a call.

tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 5, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Wb, read the previous posts or call Verizon.
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 5, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
WBraun

"The phone was turned off"

In order for a phone to be really turned off it has to be actually powered off or battery removed not just the lid closed or wait for the screen to go off.

I believe we are all saying the same thing............the phone was off as in completely off short of taking the battery out.
WBraun

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
I don't need Verizon and I read the posts.

I was explaining how a phone actually works.

Some do not actually understand the difference between actual off and on regarding a digital phone.
WBraun

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
OK ..... so you are 100% sure he powered it completely off?

Thanks ......
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 5, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
WB, considering he was camping, with no way to charge his phone, to conserve battery...yes we are 100% sure. We also compared texts sent from his friends to when he received them as explained in previous post and again confirm, text sent to him show up later ( once his phone is on). -Ron
WBraun

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Yes .... I assumed the same.

Thanks again.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 5, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
Just curious Is the fire currently effecting air quality in the area? - Ron
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 5, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
The wind is blowing and it seems like the smoke is thinking about moving back down to mammoth sorta like the local forecaster predicted....
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 5, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
The wind is blowing and it seems like the smoke is thinking about moving back down to mammoth sorta like the local forecaster predicted....

Oh joy:( We are leaving to head up shortly. Guess I better bring an extra inhaler:(
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 5, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
I ask because if I remember correctly there was a fire when Matt when missing. The conditions were similar where smoke filled the area. -Ron

Be safe split.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
I would just like to say that a search i was on long ago ended over a year later when we found a small chunk of a lower jaw bone. Only a little more was found. The wilderness has its ways of disposing of decomposing bodies of animals and man. In the grand scheme of things,, not a bad thing really.
But searchers should definitely pay attention to any fresh looking bones.
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 5, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
Ron,

Yes I remember that fire. I heard the smoke was really bad in Mammoth.

Thanks we will :)
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
Just got caught up, having been away from the computer for the past 30 hours....I have a few observations to share from a SAR standpoint.

Many theories are being presented here regarding the various details regarding the phone being turned on early....the missing gear....assaults in campgrounds....LOTS and LOTS of speculation.

My concern with these ideas, many of which seem incredibly outlandish to me, is that they draw focus away from the few things we do know....things that point to the Ritter Range.

Endless speculating about scenarios that seem more like a CSI episode can go on and on ad nauseum, and every time someone hears one that they kinda buy into....they then add some more of THEIR ideas about that scenario....perhaps making it sound even MORE compelling.

In SAR, it's dangerous to take simply what we THINK may have happened, and try to shape it into a fact....instead of taking even the thinnest facts, and pursuing them until they are completely played out.

The search area in the Ritter Range, as I have stated on all the search threads, is VAST and COMPLICATED. Also....time is running extremely short to do more searching of that area.

My recommendation would be for experienced climbers to do ALL within their power to get together and get out in the Ritter Range while we can, rather than post theories based on extremely wild scenarios that are virtually unheard of in this area, or frankly, even impossible.

Peace,
DR
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