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SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
WBraun

"The phone was turned off"

In order for a phone to be really turned off it has to be actually powered off or battery removed not just the lid closed or wait for the screen to go off.

I believe we are all saying the same thing............the phone was off as in completely off short of taking the battery out.
WBraun

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
I don't need Verizon and I read the posts.

I was explaining how a phone actually works.

Some do not actually understand the difference between actual off and on regarding a digital phone.
WBraun

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
OK ..... so you are 100% sure he powered it completely off?

Thanks ......
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
WB, considering he was camping, with no way to charge his phone, to conserve battery...yes we are 100% sure. We also compared texts sent from his friends to when he received them as explained in previous post and again confirm, text sent to him show up later ( once his phone is on). -Ron
WBraun

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Yes .... I assumed the same.

Thanks again.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Just curious Is the fire currently effecting air quality in the area? - Ron
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
The wind is blowing and it seems like the smoke is thinking about moving back down to mammoth sorta like the local forecaster predicted....
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
The wind is blowing and it seems like the smoke is thinking about moving back down to mammoth sorta like the local forecaster predicted....

Oh joy:( We are leaving to head up shortly. Guess I better bring an extra inhaler:(
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
I ask because if I remember correctly there was a fire when Matt when missing. The conditions were similar where smoke filled the area. -Ron

Be safe split.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
I would just like to say that a search i was on long ago ended over a year later when we found a small chunk of a lower jaw bone. Only a little more was found. The wilderness has its ways of disposing of decomposing bodies of animals and man. In the grand scheme of things,, not a bad thing really.
But searchers should definitely pay attention to any fresh looking bones.
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Ron,

Yes I remember that fire. I heard the smoke was really bad in Mammoth.

Thanks we will :)
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
Just got caught up, having been away from the computer for the past 30 hours....I have a few observations to share from a SAR standpoint.

Many theories are being presented here regarding the various details regarding the phone being turned on early....the missing gear....assaults in campgrounds....LOTS and LOTS of speculation.

My concern with these ideas, many of which seem incredibly outlandish to me, is that they draw focus away from the few things we do know....things that point to the Ritter Range.

Endless speculating about scenarios that seem more like a CSI episode can go on and on ad nauseum, and every time someone hears one that they kinda buy into....they then add some more of THEIR ideas about that scenario....perhaps making it sound even MORE compelling.

In SAR, it's dangerous to take simply what we THINK may have happened, and try to shape it into a fact....instead of taking even the thinnest facts, and pursuing them until they are completely played out.

The search area in the Ritter Range, as I have stated on all the search threads, is VAST and COMPLICATED. Also....time is running extremely short to do more searching of that area.

My recommendation would be for experienced climbers to do ALL within their power to get together and get out in the Ritter Range while we can, rather than post theories based on extremely wild scenarios that are virtually unheard of in this area, or frankly, even impossible.

Peace,
DR
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
Ron, the numbers are correct; myself I had studied this statistics about Yosemite... not only "studied" on paper but also I had pleasure of a night time ride in a remote location in Yosemite area (towads West side), when my car broke down, with "childhood friend of Cary Stayner" and viewing his gun shown to me...yes, way out there. Yosemite Park is a special area, that attracts all kinds of scum; at least some locals feel this way. So are areas close to Meth centers (like Orovile, etc). I felt Mammoth was safer area. Also, most homicide victims in Yosemite were females (some if not most of them are suspected to have known whoever attacked them in Yosemite, in unsolved cases), as they're hunted like a prey in this "society"...Matt is a strong looking guy. And he doesn't look like a rich person who attracts thieves. So, as to statistics: still, there're people missing in Yosemite, for many years and recently, no trace and there's no telling if the lion could take them--also injured person can be prey to many animals. Perhaps I had spent too much time around big cats in the past, but they're not to be discounted as non-danger. The only possibility of foul play happening inside campground, I think if it was someone who had a personal reason, an enemy...seems like Matt isn't the kind of person who gets these.
(I don't think cat attacked him either--but saying a random campground crime of serious violent nature, against a strong-looking man especially, in super crowded summer campgrounds there, is even less likely than cats. If it was next to Sacramento, Placerville--I'd say yes, possible. Btw, personally been stalked by a large animal, a cat or bear in the dark--could see only glowing eyes and it was a big, flexible animal--alone, in Shasta area--went back to camp closer to people... been jumped by coyote or fox in the dark as well...do not buy into total safety of wild animals). If anything, the "red flag" of a phone points to him expecting contact from someone he knew, been in touch with...and that someone not coming forward as well as last person texting him not remembering a text message is really weird.

And to clarify the assumption about "Text delivered" timestamp--this should mean "message delivered to phone" not just "message delivered to Verizon user account"--in this case yes, this means phone had been powered up--as soon as you're 100% sure of the meaning. This is from discussion about Verizon SMS time stamp: "I can tell you that the time and date that a message was sent to your phone is not available to Verizon Wireless customers. We can show you when the message is delivered, whether the phone is on or off. That is available through My Verizon online under usage details." (VZ customer service reply)
CyDuke

climber
Sep 6, 2013 - 07:04am PT
Have to side with Cragman here about assault/murder scenario. Seems unlikely a random attack would occur in a campground in the middle of the night without motive. Yes, there are psychos in this world and it could happen, but what's the motive? Doesn't seem like Matt carried a whole lot of cash since he used his credit card for most purchases. Nothing but backpack with boots, crampons, ice ax is missing. His credit card was not used elsewhere. Unless he made an enemy out there, which seems very unlikely, I don't think he was the victim of assault in the campground. A ride with someone shady, now this is more possible. Still I think unlikely.

Phone coming on at that hour is definitely out of character and could be quite significant. But, I think if he turned on his phone because he was in some sort of trouble, why would he have shut the phone back off? Any calls later in the day of the 17th (and subsequent calls) were not "delivered," indicating his phone was off. Possible phone went dead, but if he was at the library that day, he probably put a pretty good charge on the phone and was careful about turning it on and off to save battery. So, if he were in trouble, why turn the phone back off?

Something I haven't seen on here (and I may have missed it) is did Matt use an alarm to wake up? Being a teacher, having to get up early, he may have maintained his school schedule and woke up each day on his own accord, by his own internal clock. But, if an alarm clock of some sort was with his belongings, wonder if the last alarm time was set just before 3am?

Seems to me finding a ride at that hour of the morning is unlikely unless the ride was going to also be his hiking partner for the day, which seems obviously unlikely since no one has came forward and reported either being with him or an accident on the hike. I believe where ever Matt went, he went alone, on foot.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:13am PT
need your opinion - would it be of any value to send up ed in the helo with a pair of immage stabalizing binoculars?


`Ron

Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:14am PT
^None whatsoever.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:15am PT
Thanks thats what i thought.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:42am PT
Further on helos....

It is VERY difficult to even spot a living subject from the vantage of a helo.

Typically, when I am bringing a helo in to my location, I guide them into my vicinity with radio communications, then set off a smoke bomb once they are close, giving them my location as well as wind direction for landing.

Another good tool is a signal mirror. (By the way, the BEST signal mirror is a CD or DVD....light, and with the hole in the center, you can keep your eye on your target as you signal.)

At any rate, even with these methods of attraction, it is STILL very challenging to see things on the ground.....finding what we are looking for in this case would be improbable, if not completely impossible.

The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:41am PT
Regarding last communications to / from Matt's phone:

What about other messaging services (gChat, Apple's iOS messaging...)?

Verizon would not have record of those, and the providers might still have the content of the messages.
KellyDoesntClimb

Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:43am PT
Map updated again with Immediate Search Needs (Ritter Range)https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zH95mGu2yK0M.k0POTplcpetE

I have been studying a lot of maps, images, etc. to try to get areas/trails into more accurate positions... For more clarification, read the descriptions in Areas Searched. When appropriate, I have included the words of the searchers.
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