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MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:15am PT
Been out of the loop for a few days. Just got caught up in the thread.

Splits' glad to see you out there
Cragman' thanks for keeping us grounded
Everyone.. Keep the discussion going. It may be becoming a long winded thread but its a continual source of ideas. For example I missed the whole Arnold thing. Sounds like the Chief took notice as well.

Good discussion on the cell phone technology. I think this is more important than people realize. Unless I missed something it 1) represents the last confirmed communication anyone had with Matt (text sent at 8:09p on 16th) and 2) represents the first verifiable change in his usual pattern of behavior (the text received at 2:53a on 17th). After that everything is conjecture.
Psilocyborg

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 06:06am PT
Larry Conn, a member of the forum High Sierra Topix disappeared last year in the Taboose Pass area. SAR did their thing and came up with nothing. A few of us at HST got together to search areas we felt were likely. The situation was different, as there was a permit pulled, but like many of us Larry didn't stick to itineraries.

Anyway, we thrashed up and down Goodale Creek, some others check Armstrong canyon and Red Lake....his body turned up....very close to Taboose Pass proper.

Point is the most likely scenario is just that. And just because some areas have been gone over doesn't mean they are clear. I couldn't even begin to guess how many professional searchers walked right by Larrys body and gear, or at least within spitting distance.

Just don't give up!




Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:14am PT
Psilocyborg.....EXACTLY!!!!

Great post!
KellyDoesntClimb

Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:14am PT
HighTraverse, thanks for the heads up on the new possibilities and reminder that someone upthread had gone down the Ken-Clyde Couloir. It took me a couple of days to get it all into the map.

Ron/Tiff, I think it will let me export to a spreadsheet. Cragman wanted experienced climbers to focus on the Ritter range, and High Traverse made suggestions for places in the Minarets. Both are for experienced climbers. There are some trails that may not be as hard on the map. Some of the trails have been traveled, but not all.

Map:https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zH95mGu2yK0M.k0POTplcpetE

I really wish I was closer.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:16am PT
^For the record, the Minarets are part of the Ritter Range.


Also, the "trails" in this area have been HEAVILY traveled during the period that Matthew has been missing.

The area that desperately needs to be searched is OFF trail....in the talus.....the terrain the Matthew would have needed to be in to access the crags. Once you leave trail in this environment, it's a whole different ballgame.

That's why I mentioned the need for people experienced in this kind of terrain.
KellyDoesntClimb

Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:18am PT
Thanks cragman! I figured the Ritter range was just Ritter/Banner, and the Minarets were separate.

Thanks I will make a note on all the trails if they are on the JMT or PCT.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
Spoke to the Detective today. He is all over getting releases for emails. Yeah! I'm so glad that ball is rolling. I agree, there could be pertinent information in the emails. I reminded him of how small our window of time is getting with the changing of the seasons.

Supermama
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
Thanks, Supermama! That's encouraging.

I appreciate your boldness and determination.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
Thanks Supermama!

I have not got much to add tonight, though we did follow up w the individual who sent that last text to Matt and he's certain he sent it the night before which confirms Matt turned his phone on at 2:53am. Doesn't help with much - maybe he checked the time, got up to use the bathroom, went back to bed, got a Start on the day...who knows. The only other thing it does tell us is that it confirms a break in his normal pattern.

We did also get confirmation that the individuals on FB were registered at the campground as stated and the detective has reached out to them. Fingers crossed.
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
Tiffany/Ron

That is somewhat good news. You have established a fact......Matt's phone was off and for some unknown reason he turned it on at 2:53 am. Hope they can find something out from the campers at Shadyrest.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 10, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
Tiffany/Ron...

Anything to help. Let's pray the detective follows through and comes up with some kind of lead.


Split Pants....welcome back!



Supermama
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
Did the garage tell Matt his car would be ready on the 17th, and what time? If they told him the 17th, would Matt be likely to hurry back and get his car before closing time, or the next morning? That might give insight to Matt's mental "timeline" for a last climb, and rule areas in or out. Apologies if this has already been asked or answered.

FYI, I read that Mammoth Lakes' city manager left, and Chief Watson is filling in....so he's got his plate full. No doubt he appreciates the search efforts. Let's hope Matt's emails provide new leads.
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 11, 2013 - 06:18am PT
When he spoke to my parents on 16th, it was supposed to be ready on 18th but the Impression he gave my parents was that he expected them to string it out longer since that'd been his experience with them (keep in mind his car was in shop since June 28).

Keep in mind he spoke to the garage AFTER that discussion too so that date could have changed. I honestly don't know what they told him that last time.

FWIW, I think the invoice for the car repair was created the following week.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 11, 2013 - 07:13am PT
Then there was no hurry to get back to the car until at least the 18th or later and his options were open...

Supermama
Chief Dan Watson

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Sep 11, 2013 - 11:13am PT
Detective Hornbeck previously spoke to the people camping on each side of Matthew. They did not converse with him. He has located contact information for Arnold Morales in Bakersfield and has left a message for him to call.

He also has checked with the Library. During July, there was only one wireless client who accessed summitpost.com. Other sites accessed include mountain project.com, climbing arc.com, and super topo.com. Unfortunately, the Library cannot determine who accessed the sites. They don't check the ID of computer users and have no way of knowing who is online at any given time.
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 11:23am PT
Supermama-He is all over getting releases for emails. Yeah! I'm so glad that ball is rolling.


YES! [/pumps fist/]
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 11:40am PT
tdg119-though we did follow up w the individual who sent that last text to Matt and he's certain he sent it the night before which confirms Matt turned his phone on at 2:53am. Doesn't help with much

This is Huge.. It does help a lot. It establishes that Matt's phone was off and not left on all night. It increases the chances that Matt followed his normal routine the evening before. You yourself has commented on how Matt's routine was like clockwork until the morning of the 17th. Unfortunately it doesn't establish that Matt turned on the phone, it could have been turned on by something or someone else.

These little details help paint a clearer picture of when Matt dropped off the grid before he was confirmed missing.

Along the lines of establishing Matt's whereabouts on the evening of the 16th. Does anyone know if there were any club events, social events or other things going on in Mammoth that Matt would have attended that night. A band that he may have wanted to see or since it was a Tuesday, perhaps a midweek restaurant special.
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 11, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Tiffany/Ron Is there any chance you can ask the person that sent the 2:53a Text for even a rough estimate of the time he sent it? it would help to bracket when Matt's Cell phone was turned off.

For example the last message Matt received on the 16th was at 8:34p PT, that would be 11:34p ET. So we know his cell phone was on at that time. If Matt's friend sent the text before midnight then we would know the Cell phone was off by 9pm PT and in line with his normal pattern.
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 11, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
Since Matt didn't expect his car to be ready until the 18th, his "timeline" would be dusk on the 17th since the gear inventory doesn't suggest an overnight. On the 17th, sunrise was 0548, sunset was 816pm, and twilight ended at 847p. There was a quarter moon so a flashlight would be required after that. Matt seems like the type who took all that into account in his plans, along with transportation back to the campground.

Something that didn't occur to me is posting to mountain biking forums. Mammoth is crawling with MTB riders during the summer (me included). MTBR.com has a national audience, and the other is So Cal Trailriders. Terrain and laws exclude MTB from the wilderness areas, but a rider may have met Matt in town, on a shuttle bus, or at the campground. I will post a link to the "find Matt" Facebook page on both. There's similar forums for the Bay Area but I don't know the MTB "scene" there...does someone subscribe to one up there or have a friend who can post?

I don't fish, but a post on the appropriate fishing forum(s) might be good...there's quite a bit more presence in the back country compared to mountain bikers.

Hoping that retrieval of Matt's emails provide clues that increase or decrease the probability of different search areas or scenarios.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 11, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Thanks, Chief Watson, for the update. Looks like I was wrong -- sounds like the Morales family has not been previously interviewed. So I hope they provide lots of useful information!

Thanks for the library information. I did have one question (maybe I or someone else here can contact Detective Hornbeck directly). You say that “there was only one wireless client who accessed summitpost.com.” Do you mean that the library has WiFi and there was only one person who accessed that site using a wireless device such as an iPhone? As far as I know, Matt’s phone did not have internet capability, (please correct me if I'm wrong) so he would have accessed the internet using the library's PCs, not through WiFi. Or do you mean that the PCs in the library connect to the internet through the library’s WiFi and that there was only one person who contacted that site, whether on a PC or through WiFi?

Edit: Apparently though the library also has WiFi, the library's workstations are connected through a wireless network, so that might have been all that was meant.

Also, is it possible to tell what dates people accessed those sites using the PCs at the library? (I had thought that info was lost, but if it's possible to tell which sites were accessed, maybe not...) We know Matt was in the library on the 16th. I think that climbing sites that were accessed in the last days before Matt disappeared, and especially on the 16th, would be of special interest. We know Matt posted something on Summitpost on the 16th, but we don’t know what other sites he looked at, which he might have used to plan his activities on the 17th. Knowing that might help narrow things down.
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