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LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 8, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Tiffany and Ron,

I’m sorry it's been so hard to contact Arnold and his mother Connie! While Supermama is right that it’s important not to scare them away, OutdoorGal says that she can still see Arnold’s posts – apparently he didn’t delete them after all, but Facebook changed their order. (Which “Find Matthew Greene” post did Morales post under, again?) By the way, I sent you two PMs -- the second more useful than the first -- looks like yet another member of the Morales family also posted on the FB site a couple of weeks ago.

So maybe they aren’t so skittish after all? Hard to tell. I do know it’s easy to overlook messages in your Facebook “other” folder, or even in your regular folder. (For a while you could get to someone’s regular folder by paying $1, but it looks like FB has discontinued that.) The Mammoth Lakes police are very understaffed – I wonder when their part-time detective will get to this.

OutdoorGal points out that because Jeannie Morales and Connie Silva both “liked” the site, a message posted there might appear in their feeds. But that’s only if they left “notifications” on.

On another front, I’m also wondering whether things have moved forward regarding getting into Matt’s email accounts. I know that your attempts to change his password resulted in your getting locked out of his account. (Did you try filling out the questionnaire under “I can’t use any of these options"?) If that didn't work, would it be possible to quickly get a search warrant or subpoena to get into his accounts? (I'm not sure how this works.)

Thinking about Matt, his family, friends, and community on this day...
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:13pm PT

Rock Mandala Meditation
Saturday, Sept 14th, around 7pm I will be leading a rock mandala creation/meditation in the Heritage Park, across from the Escondido (CA) Art Partnership Gallery at Juniper and Grand. All are welcome to participate and bring a favorite stone, rock, feather, flower, etc. to send healing energy to loved ones or lost ones. I will be focusing on Matt, as well as my dog of 15 years. This is part of the Art & Science Exhibit at the gallery, so there will be visual and spatial exploration, as well as meditation.
Matt, I never met you but feel that I know you. The stones I will be bringing will combine the beauty of Lehigh Valley, PA where we are both from, and California. Happy Birthday!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s403x403/1003389_10201393038642130_2123865993_n.jpg///photo of mini rock mandala
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
sooo has anyone directly contacted "chief Watson" about the "arnold" guy?


That seems to be the first "doable" thing in about 900 posts here.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
This fellow's flicker account has some excellent photos of east sides of Minarets, Ritter and Banner. Especially Ritter and Banner. The end of his journey shows Rim Fire smoke in Tuolumne so we know his trip is after Aug 17. At that time there were still very large snowfields beneath Clyde/Eichorn and on Ritter and Banner.
Pertinent photos are on days 2 and 3. Their camp 2 was below Ediza. Many of the photos are with a very good telephoto.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dpe4/sets/72157635426781801/
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
Beautiful!
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Thanks again for everyone's efforts.

I am going to write a formal letter tomorrow requesting search warrants for a few things (Phone, email, etc). I am going to try and even research & draft something to save work for the understaffed PD.

Just an FYI, we Rec'd a statement from Matt's bank that showed his ATM transactions. Not sure which ATM he used in Mammoth Lakes (think the bank could easily answer that; his bank has no branch out there; my mom has access to this account but don't think tracking down video of 2 days prior would do any good). In any case, he withdrew $200 every 6 days like clockwork. His last withdrawal was on the 15th, so at most he'd probably have $150-175 on him; maybe less considering he stayed in town on the 16th.

LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 8, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
Tiffany,

I'm really glad you're going to request search warrants! One more thought re the Morales family, which probably has occurred to you already:

Could they have been interviewed by the police already? The police said they interviewed a family that was staying in the sites next to Matt's, who I think left on Monday. I think that at least two Morales brothers and their families were staying at the campground and apparently interacted with Matt, and that some left earlier and others left on Monday. So maybe they were the ones who were interviewed? If so, they may feel that they've said it all and not realize they can help a lot by answering a few more questions.

While I'm sure the police found out useful things from whoever they interviewed, they may have focused on other issues than those that now concern us. Whether members of the Morales family were interviewed before or not, it would be great if they could be interviewed now by someone who was very concerned about finding Matt, a good detective, tactful, good at drawing people out, and familiar with Mammoth Lakes, Secor, and climbs in the area -- sort of like you, Sherlock Holmes, SplitPants, Todd, and HighTraverse or Cragman (or others here) all blended into one.

Perhaps some climbers can assist the detective, or maybe the police can encourage Morales family members to talk with private citizens such as yourself, Jill or John, and some other climbers familiar with the area?
jeg

Social climber
center valley,Pa
Sep 8, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
I tried to contact Connie/Arnold three times via PM on facebook. I have asked them to call me but have not heard from them. Jill
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
Regarding law enforcement.....

Mammoth PD has the jurisdiction here, since the last place Matthew was known to have been was within the Town limits.

If he DID go into the Ritter Range, as I believe, he is NOT in Mono County, but in Madera County....subsequently, it is likely Mono County Sheriff will have no input as far as further investigation, and would refer all inquiries back to Chief Watson.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
Cragman...The irony...Last i heard the Mono County Sheriff's were patrolling Mammoth Lakes on the night shift because of the austerity measures incurred by the Mammoth bankruptcy...? Whatever..!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
RJ...it doesn't matter as far as YOU go.....you're being arrested by whichever agency sees you first, just for being you!

: )
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
It's a coin toss Cragman...I don't care who throws the cuffs on me as long as i can spend more time in bridgeport with 3 square meals...RJ
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
It's all based on IQ, RJ....so you're going to the Juvenile Detention Facility.....

....but I digress....


...back on topic...
CyDuke

climber
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Not sure if this link will work. May have to be copied and pasted into browser. It's a .pdf document.

lib.post.ca.gov/Publications/missing.pdf

Interesting stuff about "jurisdiction" in state of California. According to this document, jurisdiction would be assigned both to police/sheriff at Matt's last known location and also to the police/sheriff of Matt's residential address. Possible you can get some help with the warrants, etc through Bethlehem, PA.
OutdoorGal

Social climber
Lehigh Valley, PA
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
I just went on FB and was able to see every one of the original posts from Arnold and Connie. They have not been deleted. As I mentioned earlier, they are ordered in a screwy way. The posts appear to be out of date order, even if you sort by "recent activity" rather than "top comments." I can't figure it out. So it's hard to follow, but all the posts appear to be there. Here is just one example from Connie that I cut and pasted just now:

Connie Silva Yes Sunday before he disappeared he talked to my son Arnold and showed him in the book where he planned on going . He was waiting for his car to b fixed he said they were giving him the run around
Like · Reply · 4 · August 26 at 10:12am via mobile

LAHiker, you asked which thread: It is the one from August 24, where Matt is pictured wearing the white dress shirt, diamond-pattern tie, and glasses.

Supermama, I agree the police (and/or immediate family) should be handling contact with the witnesses, which is why I forwarded all the info I noticed on FB to Chief Watson back around Aug. 27 at the request of another forum member. He had said he was going to forward it to Detective Hornbeck.

I think SplitPants said recently that she asked Det. Hornbeck about the status of reaching Connie and Arnold, and he was going to get back to her. I think her guess was that he wanted to cross-check his notes to see if they were among the people he had already questioned from the campground. Split, did he ever get back to you on this?



Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 8, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
Thanks Outdoorgirl...

With it being an ongoing investigation I'm not sure what we are aloud to do or not, so I was just erring on the side of caution. That had been suggested early on in the thread. It is very frustrating to not be able to jump in and help. When I referred to the deleted messages, I meant on Connie's wall. When you go to her wall, they are not there, yet you can see some of the messages Arnold sent on his wall. It could just be a setting. I'm not sure.

The main thing we have to focus on is getting the police to investigate. One of the brothers could have been Carmelo Morales. He is on her friends list on Facebook. Another Morales on Carmelo's friends list is Anthony Morales. They are all friends with Connie and Arnold and all live in Bakersfield, Ca. Definitely worth looking into. Here is Arnold Morale's link to a picture of his camper:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=473980482668646&set=pb.100001700940476.-2207520000.1378689963.&type=3&theater

Someone in the area may remember them if they see a picture of the camper. They had just purchased it this past winter, according to Arnold's info on Facebook.

CyDuke...thanks for the info. Ron and Tiffany should look into this and see if Bethlehem can help. It can't hurt. They have a much larger police force.

Supermama

OutdoorGal

Social climber
Lehigh Valley, PA
Sep 8, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
Supermama, not sure what you mean about the wall on facebook...do you mean timeline? I post comments all the time on people's threads, and they do not appear on my own timeline as far as I know.

Good work on uncovering the names on the other potential Morales family members via the friends' lists.

And yes, so important to get the police investigating the Silva/Morales family if they haven't already. Time is wasting...

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Sep 8, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
http://news.yahoo.com/uruguayan-found-alive-four-months-lost-andes-argentine-214046947.html
Dan Watson

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Sep 8, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
This is the first time I've been on in a few days and I will be leaving town tomorrow afternoon for a week. Will someone please PM me with a summary of what is being asked about Morales/Silva so I don't have to filter through all the comments to get the history. I'll see about getting that started before I leave.

As for jurisdiction, what Cragman says is correct. This is technically a MLPD missing because that's the last place he was known to be. He's also correct that the areas identified are in Madera County. Mono County Sheriff's Office overseas the Mono County SAR.

The Sheriffs are not patrolling Mammoth Lakes. The reality is both agencies are short staffed. We only operate 20 hours a day and the Sheriff's Office is dark 6 hours a day. We work cooperatively, but they are not going to take over our investigation. We have followed up on reasonable leads and requests, including interviewing people in the campground, at the auto repair shop, Rite-Aid, Verizon, the found glasses, and others. When I have a summary of what is believed can be learned from Morales/Silva, we'll determine if that's possible.

I know this is frustrating for all. There have been many theories posted on here including recommendations to bring in psychics, analyze dreams, and theories of where he went from well meaning people. We can't search, but will continue to do what we can for appropriate requests.
ß Î Ř T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 8, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
@ tradmanclimbs - That is so rad.
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