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patrick compton
Trad climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 10:46am PT
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All these stories of bad Leos... why no video?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 11:05am PT
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Tool, the children well...
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 11:38am PT
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Yep Ron, that was their first unreleased draft.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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Wow, talk about a rant!
Thanks for bitching about the bitchfest, bitch.
Oh, and welcome back Pate, HA!!
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
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Clicker=Rox, welcome back. Nobody babbles quite the way you do, Lance.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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Clicker=Rox, welcome back. Nobody babbles quite the way you do, Lance.
Agree. His repressed homosexual desires come through loud and clear in every post.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
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Try to figure out if it was really illegal, then write a letter to the guy's boss explaining that his behaviour was inappropriate particularly the violence directed at the children, ask why the swing has been there for so many years and used by so many people if its illegal to do it and why the cop couldn't tell you this in a professional way. Make sure you send the letter to the right person.
Write to your congressmen urging them to de-fund the NPS, that turns the most beautiful parts of the US into theme parks that are over-regulated by cops and more cops. Hyper aggressive ones, too, they think the parks are full of terrorists. Cut their funding, they're just a problem.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
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... and keeping a low profile.
No. That is terrible advice and a terrible attitude. It implies that we, the public, should fear and avoid LEOs. It should not be that way. LEOs work for us and are supposed "To Server and Protect" the public. There is NEVER any excuse for them being rude or unprofessional. Any "average Joe" that does that in a retail job gets fired. LEOs should be held to AT LEAST that same standard.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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I hear ya Riley
but let me ask you, imagine you are a park Ranger and a big part of your job description and security from your boss is to watch out and stop park visitors from putting themselves into potentially dangerous circumstances. In your training you have seen the decades of reports of injuries and deaths from people jumping off bridges and swings into rivers cause it seemed like fun.
You are human and as the days go by you see all kinds of public stupidity as you write up the accident reports. And from time to time, well you just kind of lose your patience and cool and snap at stupid people. You are now a Nazi when you cut down a rope or tell people to have a good time today but not to jump off their cars into rivers, etc.
And sometimes your own anger at their lazy stupidity get the better of you and you bark at people.
How saintly does one have to be to want to be a park Ranger and at the same time do their job without the public calling them names and internet forums hating them?
Are these park Rangers really that bad?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
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Norton writes:
"Are these park Rangers really that bad?"
Not necessarily.
But where real crime is nonexistent, having that many LEOs in a place can make for a really rotten experience.
Around here, and where most people are from, law enforcement is busy with real ( felony ) crime. They are too busy to stop you for doing the speed limit, or for crossing the *fog line* ( whatever the F that is ) to let traffic behind pass. Smoking weed, drinking beer, and sleeping in public doesn't draw the Sheriff's attention either. THEY'RE BUSY.
And you'll never hear of a San Bernardino County Sheriff cutting down a kid's swing, cheerfully or otherwise.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Anywhere I like
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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If there is any justice in the world they will all fall into deep depressions and die if Lou Gherigs disease. This means you, Scott Jacobs you pig
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
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"So boogyboarding and rope swings over irrigation and river canals are legal in your county? Cause somehow I don't think so."
Maybe, maybe not.
Either way, it's not a police problem. The cops around here won't even respond to something like that.
( except maybe to cite the caller for tying up the police phone lines with non-emergency calls ).
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
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You are human and as the days go by you see all kinds of public stupidity as you write up the accident reports. And from time to time, well you just kind of lose your patience and cool and snap at stupid people. You are now a Nazi when you cut down a rope or tell people to have a good time today but not to jump off their cars into rivers, etc.
Time to find another job.
A modern LEO is supposedly an expert in confrontation reduction, in cooling things down, in reducing stress. This is the most basic and fundamental skill they bring to the table. Yes, I will grant that when there is an immediate safety issue, aggressive action is justified. But when a swing has been present for YEARS?
In my job, I've run into all sorts of bizarre and idiotic people. Does this mean that it's ok for me to snap, and forget to leave a tool inside their belly?
If someone can't do their job properly, they should find another job.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
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Ha Ha Ha LOL
The clicker is giving ya all a tooling. LOl LOL LOL
And doctors should leave the tool inside the belly so that next time it goes wrong the tool will be there and you can fix yourself ...
No?
Heh heh heh ....lol
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
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Have fun pissing away your life and your happiness fighting the tool.
Or just smile and wait for them to leave.
It's really not difficult to avoid getting their attention in the first place, all while doing whatever the heck you want.
The kids will take care of themselves. Sounds like they learned a valuable lesson, just like I learned.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
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Bullwinkle was right. Idaho and "Kali" in the same post?
No. really, Stay out of the damn river. This is native Idaho trout. Don't even put your fool hand in the water.
Whats it take to get someone to be safe? "Re-introduce" these into Kali waters, I think your population might get the idea. (actually, I think its a sturgeon). Might reduce your local water death rate. Or not. Darwin Rules.
Hi Rox, Pates brother from another mother.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Jul 25, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
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A few years back I was tooled at Chasm lake near the base of the Diamond. The LEO (gun-belt and all at 12,000+) demanded to see my backcountry permit. I told him that it was on my partners pack, just like it's supposed to be, and that said partner was ahead of me at the base of the wall. "Well go get him and bring him to me!" I refused and was given the third degree for not obeying an order. I calmly asked for his name and wrote a complaint upon my return to the cabin/station at the parking lot.
Next day I got a phone call from the head ranger in the park. He assured me he'd get to the bottom if it.
Never heard back from him, but also have not seen that ranger ever again and have been treated with courtesy by all RMNP rangers since. (not sure how they'd all know me, but whatever)
In some cases, and I believe this is one, the pen is mightier than the sword. File a complaint. It's very bad for PR and heads will roll.
Just my 2
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
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why was Rox banned?
he seems a pleasant enough guy
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 25, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
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RJ made a mockery of the sobriety thread. Made it all about him. LEB chimed in too. Both were booted. That's a thread you don't fool with.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jul 25, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
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also, threats of violence. Don't forget his typical MO; post incessantly, increasing level of hostility and anger, culminating with him threatening violence to those who disagree with him. Oh yeah, tons of homophobia / gay-bashing. The guy is like herpes. Always sad to see him crawl out from under his rock and start posting again.
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