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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jul 25, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
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you can see pebbles 300 yards downstream in that portion of the merced.
so hitting something with your noggin is an invalid argument and just an excuse to be a tool.
as far as damage from silt, compare a bridge jump to the floods,
kids record everything, their brains are like sponges, so you treat them nice during the formative years in order not to leave permanent scars, i bet those kids will have that negative crap on their hard drive for the rest of their lives, which will be recounted many times among friends which will add to the bad rep that the yosemite tools already have,
wanna save lives? put one of those tools up at the waterfall where everybody dies.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jul 25, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
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How ya been, Lance? I for one have missed arguing with you and your sunny demeanor.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jul 25, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
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Lance, you really need to quit repressing your gay urges. I know that you are mad at yourself for being attracted to men, but it is ok. Us straight people are not judging you. It is painfully obvious that you are gay. Just go with it; you will probably feel better.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 25, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
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What is nice and where do I buy it?
i don't know about "nice," but polite and respectful constitute two elements of good advocacy. I, for one, tend to listen poorly to someone whose opening argument insults me.
While the LEO's reported actions -- particularly regarding the children -- certainly sound quite excessive, I, too, share Norton's concern. People remain human. (Is this sufficiently Yogi Berra-like, e.g. "They pay you cash, which is just as good as money.")?
We all seem to expect perfection from those around us, and feel particularly mistreated when we don't get it. I think our unrealistic expectations of perfection -- particularly expectations of perfection from ourselves -- lead to poor mental health, because I've seen so much of it among lawyers and climbers I know.
I certainly see no harm in letting off some steam on this forum, or in this thread. Had this happened to me or to my children, I almost certainly would write a (polite, but not nice) report to Park authorities. But the general insults of LEO's I've read on this thread, and the unrealistic expectations of perfection from people who go into that line of service, strike me as unhelpful.
John
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jul 25, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jul 25, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
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Not yet, but he'll be deactivated soon... just not soon enough. Run along, Lance. The manonmanlove.com forum misses you
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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dude, I can't possibly be attractred to men, I got so many men in my life, I have slept with so many in small tents whay off in the woods. So much opportunity. And I got No doubts, men STINK. Dirty, smelly nasty vulgar men, laying next to me for day after day after day, damn, I have no idea how I stood it.
and there you have it
Rox lays out the REAL reason the Boy Scouts are hurting for membership......
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Jul 25, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
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JE has us back on track, at least for a short spell.
Play the Lazlo Toth,(aka my mentor, Father Guido Sarducci), game with these guys, except go for the proverbial PR jugular vein and get all this on record. The old "write a letter, get a letter."
Seriously. The NPs has to attend to these complaints and you can play general havoc with someones career if they are indeed being a first class as#@&%e. Oh lord not Ellis Island. Can you imagine giving a bunch of New Yorkers sh#t about jumping off a stupid bridge.
Oh Claude where are you in our hour of need?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
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Who, besides me, thinks Idaho should be turned into a giant wolf preserve, where the Feds can freely tool anyone who harms them?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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That freak doesn't represent Idaho in any way. Just more drift.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Jul 25, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
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dirtbag I'm with you.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 25, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
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Geez guys, Ranger Interaction 101;
when ranger approaches smile and very obviously look at the name tag. Be polite but reticent, for example when the ranger says, "What's up?" he is only trying to get your mouth moving; just smile and shrug.
Address him by his surname, and be mildly offended if he fails to offer the same respect.
You are obliged to ID yourself, but any other discussion can be instantly curtailed by skillful use of a magic word;
"I don't think I have done anything wrong, but if you think I have broken the law you should be talking to my attorney so that he can explain it to me."
If he responds with something like, "Well I'm just trying to figure out what is going on here." then repeat your previous line (sometimes the magic has to sink in).
Here is a trick, but it can backfire if they are too ornery.
If you are not in the process of driving or in the presence of your vehicle, then for all he knows you took the bus.
If you have a current passport then you can use it as ID but refuse to surrender it to anyone other than a customs agent. A federal LEO can only seize your passport IF he arrests you.
Ask if you are under arrest. Say that you have seen ranger that hold passports "hostage" to control people they talk to, and you are willing to exhibit your passport for his inspection but that it is not a braille document.
Having talent at brinksmanship helps.
Having a good lawyer helps too.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Jul 25, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
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Jeez Louise, did someone just get released from Atascadero?
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Deekaid
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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where is the op in this dopey f*#king thread?
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Deekaid
climber
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Jul 25, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
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it really is the perfect troll. it has everything cops kids a bridge a river it could only be better if the cops kicked the guys un- leashed dog into the water
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 25, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
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Like Toker V. says, you are obligated to identify yourself when a cop asks.
But you need not hand him any documents. Just tell him your full name and birthdate. If he can't find out what he needs to know from that, he's up to no good.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Jul 26, 2013 - 12:00am PT
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How many times are we going to hear these stories? I have been on both sides of this situation, as those here who know me are aware. Even worn those squeaky and polished Pivetta 5’s and a duty belt to the morning briefing in the Valley. I’ve also been rousted from a VW van at midnight in Curry Parking lot with the lights in my face, and had a horse patrol ranger stare down at me, OB at 6AM. There’s very few excuses for what happened. Such a discovery should have been turned into a positive educational encounter instead of a negative LEO confrontation. I used the positive tactic with great success – once I caught some kids camping at Boothe Lake near Vogelsang with a fire, even though fires there are prohibited. When I sprung out of the darkness into their illuminated camp, the kids all stood up and started to put the fire out, but I said not to – to let it burn down to white ashes instead of charcoal, and to enjoy it for what’s left. I took that opportunity at fireside to tell the story why fires are disallowed there, and what my job was all about. I asked them to clean it up with no trace in the morning. When I returned, the place was immaculate, as if no fire had ever been lit there.
Two or three summers later I encountered a backcountry campsite somewhere else in the general area, and asked for their permit. I complemented the group on their low impact campsite, food storage, etc. A member of the group spoke up and came forward as one of those at the illegal campfire at Boothe Lake. He iterated how much he appreciated my talk that night and how it changed his thinking on no trace backcountry camping. So, the tone one sets at these encounters can make a long and lasting impression, and sometime an impression that can be passed around. Those LEO’s at the bridge left a sour impression on all present, which was unnecessary, damaging, and against the common good. I too can recall that sourness from my “local file” encounters in the park. Such tools always seem to get assigned to YNP. I wish it would stop. Write the letter.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jul 26, 2013 - 12:12am PT
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I would totally agree with throwing these fakes from the bridge and making a dash for it.
F*#k'em.
Dick LEO's are no LEO at all…. They're just dicks
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 26, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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That seems to me like that's the way it's supposed to work, TMJ.
So tell me. WHY are bad attitudes tolerated for even one second among law enforcement?
I guarantee you, if the kid taking orders at Jack In The Box snaps at a customer - no matter how many stupid drunks he had to serve on the Friday night shift - he's OUT of a job. Immediately. No questions asked. Why can't law enforcement be held to the same standards as the kid working at the taco stand?
And what's up with the sneers on the faces of cops these days? Why the forced frowns? Couple the forced frown with the bad attitude shades cops like to wear, and you wonder why folks you meet are suspicious of you - at best - and evasive otherwise.
Would it kill you LEO guys to SMILE? You certainly have plenty to smile about. You draw a six-figure paycheck today, with a multi-million pension waiting for you to retire ( at 50 years old ). Smile! People will smile back.
Sneer ( with your forced frown and your bad attitude sunglasses ), and you bring out the worst in people.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jul 26, 2013 - 12:37am PT
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even the shuttle bus drivers are bad news, one time a guy got off and left his hat on the seat, so i grabs it and hop off and run it back to him, there was a lot of traffic so the bus was moving slow, so i jogged after it to get back on to rejoin my friends, took me about 2 miles, the guy can see me in the rear view trying to catch up, but he don't stop, finally caught him at the bus stop, got a standing ovation from all the riders but just a sneer from the fat f*#k driving the bus,
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