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duck on a bike
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Jun 17, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
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What about this guy or girl?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jun 17, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
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The guy in the above vid (holding the camera)
shows us the proper way to run away from a bear:
-just run faster than your jogging partner.
I know you're being funny, but running away from a bear kicks in the preditor/prey response. Just like a dog. When I first got my Pointer pup and it could out run me, to get it to come to me rather than run away, I got it's attention and ran like hell the other way. Natural instinct. That dog would run me down in nothing flat. And the black bears in Canada and apparently Alaska are serious business. Bear spray dudes. Or a weapon, but don't wound the thing and just piss it off. If you really want to know more about what to do, look up Stephen Herrero and Tim Rubbert related to bear attacks.
I was mapping geology in the mountains of Western Montana around 1982 or so. I was a juinor member of this effort, and one guy I worked with packed a 357 (same as me) coundn't shoot for sh#t, but kept telling me how he would shoot a bear if it came at us. So my strategy with him (we saw 4 griz the time I was there) was to out run him to a tree and let him piss the thing off by shooting at it. I figured once up the tree, I would do what I could from there. Another guy I worked with carried but wouldn't touch it. So at least I knew he would not shoot something and piss it off.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jun 17, 2014 - 04:21pm PT
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They say that most black bear attacks end in consumption so the playing dead thing does not work. Griz play dead, black bear fight like hell.
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losbill2
climber
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Jun 17, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
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Misread post. Thought it "Beer Safety". Eagerly clicked on it thinking it was a thread long overdue!
Took me a moment or two to realize I was off route. Did enjoy the video. Thought the young lady did pretty well with a silly assignment.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jun 17, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ fukkin funny ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
GET TO DA HUMMMAA!!!
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jun 17, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
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Malemute is dead on right! Those two should have stood their ground with the black bear. It clearly was too curious and they were just giving it the time to possibly build up the confidence for an attack. But up there, I really don't know why they are trail running (and attracting predators) without carrying bear spray. It's kind of a no brainer these days.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Jun 17, 2014 - 05:57pm PT
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Collect sticks & big rocks I don't see many of those, or many chances to do that.
The bear is in close pursuit.
They would have to be bold enough to stop without weapons,
and hope the bear stops, too, and gives them time to bend over and
pick stuff up.
It seems like they were in a gray area, fairly close to their car
and figured the bear was not acting that aggressive.
Once the bear started climbing the small trees, they felt even better
about this judgement.
"Siri, scare away the bear!"
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Jun 17, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
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No doubt. The bear could take him down with one lunge / swipe of the paw.
The question in this vid is whether the bear is attacking, or is "just curious". He seems to never make a move aggressive enough to be sure it is an attack. It could be that these 2 guys' size and movements made the bear not feel confident enough to attack. Of course we never know for sure what the bear might have done if they did things slightly differently. All we know is that they got away without a full attack this time.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jun 18, 2014 - 05:58am PT
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Again, I think Malemute is right on target. Looks like a young bear and could be a somewhat timid young male testing limits. You know how young males are... It didn't bluff charge or make any stressed out sounds like huffing. But that bear is learning the wrong message about humans. Pure and simple. It knew it was invading the two runners personal space.
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rick d
climber
ol pueblo, az
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Jun 18, 2014 - 06:09am PT
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Having lived in grizzly country and been around a few black bears, all I can saw is screw the little bears. Hiking in active griz season is terrifying where the bears know little of humans (mts around yellowstone). Attacks at the Cody hospital were rare but ugly and the hunter/guide attacks were farking serious. Be careful out there and back away from encounters with the big guys unless you want to end up eaten like grizzly man.
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Roxy
Trad climber
CA Central Coast
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Jun 18, 2014 - 06:27am PT
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what about the couple times the black bear sort of backed up or started up a tree, would that have been the time to 'attack' the bear, or at least fake charge at it - not that the bear understood when the guys were saying 'good boy' or whatever - but body language that continues to tell the bear 'I'm bigger and not on your curious list'? maybe even throw the rock then?
"Siri, scare away the bear!" LOL!!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 18, 2014 - 07:06am PT
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Firstly, LOL. What are the guys doing with a video camera if they are out jogging?
And perhaps Yogi and Boo Boo may understand English, but "Stop Shoo, Go Away, Back"?
Oh I forgot, Canadian bears do graduate from high school, some even go on to get English degrees. Guess that bear must have flunked out.
EDIT
Actually, I think that is a fake video. I think the bear was a Newfoundland dog dressed up as a bear and these guys wanted to go viral on You Tube. It's a set up, but funny as hell.
In Tuoumne, Alpine and Sierra counties, as part of my natural resources and zoology studies at Columbia College (1976), I field studied the interaction of coyotes and bears. In the almost four months (actually a bit less) I did not see a lot of action between the two species.
Of course, any wild animal can be dangerous, just visit Detroit, Rio de Janiero, or even the Costa de Sol when drunk English (and Irish) hoildaymakers are there.
And how come it was "easy" to scare of black bears (juveniles and adolescents, I would never mess with cubs, momma bear is around, and the old sows can be cranky) in the Valley.
Back in April 1972, my high school climbing partner, Steve, and I were were camped in Lower Pines, Camp 4 was full. We both had dropped mescaline that evening after climbing), ( do not do drugs any longer, last trip was 1976, with Dave Y in the Valley).
Now it was fairly late at night and I was coming down, I was restless, no tent, just bags on the ground. I turned around in my bag and about a foot from me was this huge bear paw, attached to a bear about four feet on all fours, sniffing at the picnic table.
I just slowly pulled my bag over me. No, I was not hallucinating, as it moved onto the next campsite, where two climbers from SoCal were camped. They had left some food out, then the sound of pots and pans banging, Steve woke up, and we started banging pots too. Scared that bruin off, but I wonder, since I haven't camped in the Valley for many years, are the bears, of course "urbanized", so to speak, are they getting more aggressive, smarter, less afraid?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 18, 2014 - 09:34am PT
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the most effective form of Bear safety is for the bears to avoid the the June Lake vicinity.
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John M
climber
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^^^^^ hahahaha.. okay.. I was not expecting that.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Bears which have lost all fear of humans are far scarier than a grizzly bear hauling ass away at top speed in Alaska.
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