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PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
Bluering ; would that be north america or south america?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
Probably referring to the West Indies
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
I'm pretty sure that he's calling the USA America. That would really piss off a lot of my friends who live in other parts of America.

Par for the course with that guy, though.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
Note: the rod refers to the rods that used to be under the old time boxcars.

“The bum on the rod is hunted down
As the enemy of mankind;
The other is driven around to his club
And feted, wined and dined.

And they who curse the bum on the rods
As the essence of all that is bad
Will greet the other with a winning smile
And extend him the hand so glad.

The bum on the rods is a social flea
Who gets an occasional bite;
The bum on the plush is a social leech,
Blood-sucking day and night.

The bum on the rods is a load so light
That his weight we scarcely feel,
But it takes the labor of dozens of men
To furnish the other a meal.

As long as you sanction the bum on the plush,
The other will always be there,
But rid yourself of the bum on the plush
And the other will disappear.

Then make an intelligent, organized kick,
Get rid of the weights that crush;
Don't worry about the bum on the rods,
Get rid of the bum on the plush!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
A Bluering manifesto
Because we have a very free and open society the commies and foes of this country have many liberties to do as they please. And they should.

However, it is the direct responsibility of the FED to protect the country from foes both foreign and domestic.

Anyway, since the FED is charged with protecting the country from enemies foreign and domestic, shouldn't they go after commies trying to subvertly undermine our country? No, no really. They need legal precedence and some kind of proof. Usually.

During WW2, several German 'soldiers' were rounded up and proven to be spies for Germany. I think the US enlisted the Mafia dock-workers to find these krauts.

They were executed or prisoned.

Eventually McCarthy came around and recognized the commies were indeed around. He would highlighted as a paranoid man even though his assertions were proven to be quite accurate with the release of the Venona Papers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/711735/posts

McCarthy was right. The Communist Party did exist and was very active in propaganda, including Hollywood.

Anyway, since the FED is charged with protecting the country from enemies foreign and domestic, shouldn't they go after commies trying to subvertly undermine our country? No, no really. They need legal precedence and some kind of proof. Usually.

During WW2, several German 'soldiers' were rounded up and proven to be spies for Germany. I think the US enlisted the Mafia dock-workers to find these krauts.

They were executed or prisoned.

Eventually McCarthy came around and recognized the commies were indeed around. He would be highlighted as a paranoid man even though his assertions were proven to be quite accurate with the release of the Venona Papers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/711735/posts

McCarthy was right. The Communist Party did exist and was very active in propaganda, including Hollywood.

So...ascribed to the doctrine of Mao's Little Red Book and the doxy of the Venona Papers, many people were brainwashed into communism, peace (ask Mao about that), and the destruction of the family-unit and the American country. That was the sixties and seventies.

I know. Keep laughing, commies.

Then came the fall of the Soviet empire. Not done yet, remember we were already infected with this bizarre mindset of communism (which was socialism back then). The infection took hold in our schools with people actually f*#king teaching that communism a'int that bad!

Communism is kinda "nice" and "peaceful", and everybody gets along with Jeremy. It was the idealic system. And those corporate, capitalistic pigs were causing all the problems, right???

So, the damage had alreaday been done by Reagan's term of bringing the Soviets down. But the mold of communism had been growing well before that. It prospered in the dark, behind the scenes, growing larger in the dark in the guise of liberalism.

Some practioners knew what it was, and others were just 'useful idiots', to use the lingo of Lenin. The were usually the younger accolites, usually recent college grads or poorer people who couldn't comprehend how they were being used to achieve a goal well outside their sphere of comprehension.

Then came the f*#king neo-cons and progressives.

Clinton was pretty mundane except for Bosnia. Wrong war for the wrong reasons. Al Gore was a joke too.

Bush was a joke too. Good war staff, just spent like a drunk Democrat while appointing more Goldman Sachs chumps o rule over our currency, and as a result, our economy.

Then came the Marxist-in-Chief, Obama. During te Dem debates I kept screaming at the TV that, "He can't do that, it'd bankrupt the country!!!".

Sure enough.

The progressives are the new communists. But you can't nail doen new ideologies plainly. I call them neo-Marxists. They are very dangerous to personal liberty and freedom. They want to tell you how to operate your life. From food consumption, which grocery bag to use, which bulb to use in yer lamp, to which pets are acceptable to buy.

It is insane. Yet you'd call me insane.

Bluering

apparently Bluering hasn't got the memo that states liberals are not the same as Commies.
poor fool


McCarthy was right. The Communist Party did exist and was very active in propaganda, including Hollywood.

Can you say anything More stupid?? I think not.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
Where's the guaranteed annual income (GAI)?

Where's the free public housing for all?

Where's the recreation and leisure time-based society?

Where's all the stuff they promised me in 1962? I'm still holding my breath!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Where's all the stuff they promised me in 1962? I'm still holding my breath!

That's quite the cry of pain... from BELMONT.

Lol.

DMT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
"How to increase the population of uneducated idiots"

Interesting it is, noteworthy it is, that this might be the objective of some groups and individuals in our world and our time.

Evolutionary strategies of Nature never cease to impress. "Just kick it up, throw it out there, see what sticks."
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
^^^
That's even idiotic for FreeRepublic, which is pretty much the bottom rung sewer of RWNJ forums.

Hey there Joe McCarthy Jr., the "FED" is the Federal Reserve system, aka the central bank of the U.S. They got f*#k-all nothing to do with "protect from enemies", their dual mandate is to maintain low inflation and full employment (which are contradictory goals at times).


But it is good to see that you don't save up all your fever dream ravings just for us, the rightwing nutjob brigades gets their portion of BlueBabble too.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
loss of faith seems like a good motivation to move on,,,from a marriage, a religion, America..
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
The question that rises in my mind every time I hear someone complain about the direction their country has taken is: "What did you do to help keep your country as good as you think it should be/could be?"

Usually, the answer is "Huh?"

It reminds me of being on an expedition, and hearing complaints from a guy who has done the absolute minimum. Never taken the sharp end on tough ground. Never been the one to volunteer to clean the filthy cooking pot. Never said "I'm gonna go down and bring up a second load."

This doesn't apply just to Bluering, but since he's the one who is complaining about how the US is going down the tubes, I ask him: "Did you do anything to help? Did you offer yourself for military service? Did you get involved in politics? Did you volunteer to campaign for the causes you believe in?"

Because if you didn't get out there fighting and taking risks for what you believe in, you have no right to whine.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Kachooo! Excuse me I had to sneeze, where's the tissue? Bluey, read directly above.^^^

I tried to volunteer for service to protect our country, I was even 1A... never happened for various reasons (no convictions, they just did not want a long-haired anti-war hippy who wanted to be a medic).

Ghost, remember Jerome Waldie? And George McGovern? I bird-dogged (politically, not in any other sense... canvassing) for those guys when I was 15-16 or so. Don't regret it. But little good it did.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Blue, You need to go on a European vacation. It will definitely restore your faith.


Govt's everywhere screwed up. Less so here.



Turn off the damn TV news and you'll be fine.




EDIT: Honnold is doing something about it.







Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
The question that rises in my mind every time I hear someone complain about the direction their country has taken is: "What did you do to help keep your country as good as you think it should be/could be?"

Oh please, spare me! If you're an american you are part of the problem, by definition. I can't help that I was born here. Musta have had good karma ;)

Hey man I have done my part (environmental ed, teaching, writting letters, recycling, boycotting becoming a vegan.

fuk it! Mother fu&^%rs won't listen.

"I stopped trying to make a difference" . . .

Who am I to judge?

I will content myself to be an impartial observer as our society slowly circles the drain.

"told you so, dumbfuks . . . "


John M

climber
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
Look up the amount of food-stamp recipients, welfare compared to active workers.

Do you pay attention? It will be unsustainable. Get it?

Yes.. our military is unsustainable.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/food-stamps-military_n_3462465.html


(yer part of the problem....)

Yes.. the military is part of the problem. Pay them a living wage you say??? Excellent. Lets pay everyone with a job a living wage.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
John M, that is an interesting article.

It just furthers my opinion that the elite rich are getting richer (read about Anglo Irish's David Drumm - in refuge in the US - and Sean FitzPatrick, and Denis O'Brien, and an Irish musician multi-millionaire, just as examples)...

and most of us are getting poorer.

I will never lose faith in humankind, but there are some chancers out there living off of us/society, no matter what country.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
I never had any faith to lose
So I guess I'm lucky that way
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
Govt's everywhere screwed up. Less so here.

Thanks, Spider, for demonstrating that not all here are lost. Reading the reactions to Bluey's post does demonstrate some reason for concern, though:

1. Intolerance of those with opposing views. We seem awfully hasty to condemn those with whom we disagree as hateful, stupid, uninformed or uneducated. We have a very difficult time accepting the possibility that intelligent people can disagree;

2. An unjustified faith in education. If education cured all ills, how come Berkeley is so screwed up? (Disclaimer: I am a graduate of U.C. Berkeley [or, as we like to call it, the University of California]), and I love visiting. I just wouldn't want to live there.

3. A lack of perspective. I wouldn't want to go anywhere that is perfect, because I would mess it up by being there.

Incidentally, I enjoyed reading the quotes from the Sermon on the Mount, but I think W.C. Fields gave the only rational reason for a non-believer to read the Bible: to look for loopholes.

Carry on.

John
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
John M good point about foodstamps and military families. Twas the same in 79-83 when I was enlisted. Many families qualified for foodstamps, especially those living on-base (and not receiving a housing allowance). Them that lived off base often lived in hovels so as to afford, like, food?

Militaries have always been paid minimum wage or lower. Oh society likes to give good lip about patriotism and 'giving back', so long as it doesn't entail giving back a LIVING PAYCHECK.

Oh but those shiny F35 FlyingPigs are so goddamned necessary......

F*#king steams my ass.

DMT

Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
bluering, you should know better than to ever put your faith in people. They are fallible.....they're gonna let you down.
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