Tito Traversa, 12, Fighting For His Life


Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 201 - 203 of total 203 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>

Sep 10, 2013 - 04:37am PT
When an activity is changed or is just different there are many small adaptations. When we used knotted 1" tubular around the shoulder with two biners on it, you clipped the anchor with either biner. This loose configuration also allowed easy inspection of both the sling and the biners for their condition. The climbing was easier so the extra weight of the solid gates on the biners was not a problem.

Quick draws sewn tightly changes many things. I would definitely be nervous about wire gates on a sewn draw. Actually I would probably not use them at all. Very hard to predict all the things that can happen to a biner in a fall. I do have one wired gate. Never used it.

What are the changes we have to make? To start with you would have to check each draw to make sure the anchor biner is clipped to the junk sling( or the harness). Right there that means a climber has to inspect every item. Used to be you could throw a junk sling to someone and they were off. No more.

Climbing is more detail oriented than it used to be. Much more detail oriented.

Harder to inspect sewn draws for their condition, and we won't even mention use of fixed biners on routes. Never saw one of those, so never used one. We were lucky years ago.

Early on I set myself the goal of tolerating no more than one chance in a hundred of a serious situation on a climb. (Doing a thousand climbs left me open to all the risk I was willing to entertain.) I spent far too much effort trying to understand Quantum Mechanics to risk having those self same neural connections end up as a bloody pulp on some rock.

So other than suggesting climbing is now very detail oriented I would suggest no one take up climbing before taking Quantum Mechanics 101, at a minimum. Being ten years old does not prevent one from doing this. Actually, that may be the ideal age.

London, UK
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:52am PT
A tragic accident.

The best summary of the Italian legal position I've read was written by an Italian climber and law student here.

It seems that, in Italy, when someone has died, all connected parties are automatically prosecuted. This is the point the proceedings have reached. The prosecutor then evaluates which of the parties have a case to answer in court. It should not be assumed that all the parties will have a case to answer.

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Sep 10, 2013 - 10:12am PT
To the guy who doesn't think there was "gross negligence" involved in this death: my god, I don't think it would be easy to come up with a better example


How so? Do you find yourself freaking out and looking to call the cops anytime you see a kid climbing with another kid at the gym? If they arn't attended closely every second by an adult?

While that might be a good idea actually I must admit I see it all the time and I don't worry about it any more than any other climbers at the gym.
Messages 201 - 203 of total 203 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks

Try a free sample topo!

SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Trip Report and Articles
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews