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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Original Post - May 13, 2013 - 10:22am PT
This is not a boob thread.

It is a conversation. So let's try to keep it constructive.

Moosedrool was apparently run off by "puritans"? Women? Boob haters? There seems to be a little confusion about this.

Blown apart bodies are ok? Just ask Hollywood.

Breasts are OK? Open vaginas are pornography? Exactly what are we after?


Just a couple thoughts from me, to start a civil conversation.

* I like breasts.
* I like looking at them.
* Photographs of breasts are not considered obscene by the site. Pictures of them have been allowed here for years.
* Pictures of underage people are not ok.
* Blown up bodies in war are far more obscene, and yet they are allowed here.
* Breasts are much more fun than blown up bodies.
* Women like breasts too, otherwise they wouldn't continue to allow people to take so many pictures of them.
* Off topic is clearly not the problem, just look at the history of political threads here.

I'm serious in asking what you consider ok/not ok, good taste/bad taste.

I am particularly interested in hearing the women on this one.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 13, 2013 - 10:26am PT
I'm tired of this conversation.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2013 - 10:29am PT
Thanks for posting and being brief.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 13, 2013 - 10:30am PT
A quick google search will turn up dozens - maybe hundreds - of sites where you can post all the risqué pictures you want, and you won't run the chance of possibly offending anybody.

Time and place for everything.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2013 - 10:32am PT
Does that mean that they're not welcome here?

Why hasn't admin taken a stand on this?

It's a Not In My Backyard issue?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 13, 2013 - 10:35am PT
It's not our website. We are just guests here.

Too many people just don't seem to understand or want to accept this.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 13, 2013 - 10:35am PT
High schools in Sweden only have one locker room. They think we're nutters.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2013 - 10:37am PT
Too many people just don't seem to understand or want to accept this.


Which people? Apparently the owner has no problem with breasts.

That's the point.
Spanky

Social climber
boulder co
May 13, 2013 - 10:37am PT
This is a rock climbing site! I like boobs as much as the next guy but this isn't really the place. For that matter I don't think the political and gun threads make sense here either. ST should get back to basics and keep climbing on the front page. just my 2 cents
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 13, 2013 - 10:37am PT
I'm sorry moosedrool was run off as I enjoyed some of his other contributions. He was however, deliberately testing the boundaries by posting his thread after the previous boob thread was eliminated. Perhaps this is a quiet indication from management that boob threads are no longer accepted here??

Personally I find them boring, but not as disgusting as some of the other stuff posted.

Turn the tables around though and ask yourself how the guys would feel if the women of ST, few as we are, began posting dozens, maybe hundreds of photos of penises. Would the men want to look at them, just ignore the thread, be disgusted, make sick jokes about it, or start threatening women about it in a menacing way?

Then ask yourself, if males get aroused by either boobs or penis threads, who will likely be sexually harrassed, males or females? Then ask yourself if maybe the issue is not one of aesthetic pleasures vs puritanism but of power relationships on an already macho site?
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 13, 2013 - 10:38am PT


"Moosedrool was apparently run off by "puritans"? Women?"...

moosedrool wasn't "Run off"...

He chose to back away...

Big difference!!!...
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 13, 2013 - 10:40am PT


"This is a rock climbing site!"...

That is correct!!!...

But you are posting on a, "CLIMBERS FORUM" (Open discussion about whatever)...

can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
May 13, 2013 - 10:41am PT
But how many of those boobs that the guys like to ogle have anything to do with climbing?

A good friend greeted me on top after doing the Direct NW face of Lembert.
My lucky day.
photo not found
Missing photo ID#302947

The rest of you go put a fig leaf on Michelangelo's David
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 13, 2013 - 10:43am PT
"This is a rock climbing site!"

Perhaps.

Or perhaps it is a site for rock climbers.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 13, 2013 - 10:43am PT
And can't say, did you have permission to post that photo on ST from the woman involved? If not, she's not a willing poser but has had her privacy violated.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 13, 2013 - 10:46am PT


"Turn the tables around though and ask yourself how the guys would feel if the women of ST, few as we are, began posting dozens, maybe hundreds of photos of penises"...


I seriously doubt that we dudes here would react at all similar to how the woman have...

But that's also how nature intended it...

crunch

Social climber
CO
May 13, 2013 - 10:47am PT
the issue is not one of aesthetic pleasures vs puritanism but of power relationships on an already macho site?

Thanks Jan. Nicely put.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 13, 2013 - 10:48am PT
What would you think of someone who repeatedly visits your preferred gear store, and loudly complains about how the store isn't laid out the way they they'd like it to be?

Personally, I'd be thinking 'you need to be shopping elsewhere'.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 13, 2013 - 10:52am PT
""Turn the tables around though and ask yourself how the guys would feel if the women of ST, few as we are, began posting dozens, maybe hundreds of photos of penises"..."...

To elaborate...

the few dudes here that continue to come down on those of us that truly APPRECIATE the female form...

well, they WOULDN'T MIND AT ALL!!!...

John M

climber
May 13, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Why are those who leave, such as Crimpie, wusses for not being able to handle the abuse they got and the disrespect towards women,. But Moosedrool is just a nice guy run off by "puritans"?

I am not saying that you Survival called Crimpie or any of the other people who have stopped posting wusses, but they have been and they have been told they should just toughen up. So should Moosedrool just toughen up?

To be clear, I like Moosedrool. I hope he continues posting. But he should remember that there are lots of different kinds of people on this forum and in my opinion that is one of the things that makes it a cool place. I like breasts too. I just also want to be sensitive to those who are offended.

Personally, I would prefer to see breasts then the pics of puke, crap, etc. I don't even read some peoples posts anymore because of the high likelyhood of gross pictures.

I still don't know what caused him to write the apology thread. Can anyone point me in that direction?
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