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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 13, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
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This is not a boob thread.
It is a conversation. So let's try to keep it constructive.
Moosedrool was apparently run off by "puritans"? Women? Boob haters? There seems to be a little confusion about this.
Blown apart bodies are ok? Just ask Hollywood.
Breasts are OK? Open vaginas are pornography? Exactly what are we after?
Just a couple thoughts from me, to start a civil conversation.
* I like breasts.
* I like looking at them.
* Photographs of breasts are not considered obscene by the site. Pictures of them have been allowed here for years.
* Pictures of underage people are not ok.
* Blown up bodies in war are far more obscene, and yet they are allowed here.
* Breasts are much more fun than blown up bodies.
* Women like breasts too, otherwise they wouldn't continue to allow people to take so many pictures of them.
* Off topic is clearly not the problem, just look at the history of political threads here.
I'm serious in asking what you consider ok/not ok, good taste/bad taste.
I am particularly interested in hearing the women on this one.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 13, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
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I'm tired of this conversation.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
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Thanks for posting and being brief.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 13, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
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A quick google search will turn up dozens - maybe hundreds - of sites where you can post all the risqué pictures you want, and you won't run the chance of possibly offending anybody.
Time and place for everything.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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Does that mean that they're not welcome here?
Why hasn't admin taken a stand on this?
It's a Not In My Backyard issue?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 13, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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It's not our website. We are just guests here.
Too many people just don't seem to understand or want to accept this.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 13, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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High schools in Sweden only have one locker room. They think we're nutters.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
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Too many people just don't seem to understand or want to accept this.
Which people? Apparently the owner has no problem with breasts.
That's the point.
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Spanky
Social climber
boulder co
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May 13, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
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This is a rock climbing site! I like boobs as much as the next guy but this isn't really the place. For that matter I don't think the political and gun threads make sense here either. ST should get back to basics and keep climbing on the front page. just my 2 cents
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 13, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
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I'm sorry moosedrool was run off as I enjoyed some of his other contributions. He was however, deliberately testing the boundaries by posting his thread after the previous boob thread was eliminated. Perhaps this is a quiet indication from management that boob threads are no longer accepted here??
Personally I find them boring, but not as disgusting as some of the other stuff posted.
Turn the tables around though and ask yourself how the guys would feel if the women of ST, few as we are, began posting dozens, maybe hundreds of photos of penises. Would the men want to look at them, just ignore the thread, be disgusted, make sick jokes about it, or start threatening women about it in a menacing way?
Then ask yourself, if males get aroused by either boobs or penis threads, who will likely be sexually harrassed, males or females? Then ask yourself if maybe the issue is not one of aesthetic pleasures vs puritanism but of power relationships on an already macho site?
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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May 13, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
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But how many of those boobs that the guys like to ogle have anything to do with climbing?
A good friend greeted me on top after doing the Direct NW face of Lembert.
My lucky day.
The rest of you go put a fig leaf on Michelangelo's David
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 13, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
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And can't say, did you have permission to post that photo on ST from the woman involved? If not, she's not a willing poser but has had her privacy violated.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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May 13, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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the issue is not one of aesthetic pleasures vs puritanism but of power relationships on an already macho site?
Thanks Jan. Nicely put.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 13, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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What would you think of someone who repeatedly visits your preferred gear store, and loudly complains about how the store isn't laid out the way they they'd like it to be?
Personally, I'd be thinking 'you need to be shopping elsewhere'.
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John M
climber
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May 13, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
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Why are those who leave, such as Crimpie, wusses for not being able to handle the abuse they got and the disrespect towards women,. But Moosedrool is just a nice guy run off by "puritans"?
I am not saying that you Survival called Crimpie or any of the other people who have stopped posting wusses, but they have been and they have been told they should just toughen up. So should Moosedrool just toughen up?
To be clear, I like Moosedrool. I hope he continues posting. But he should remember that there are lots of different kinds of people on this forum and in my opinion that is one of the things that makes it a cool place. I like breasts too. I just also want to be sensitive to those who are offended.
Personally, I would prefer to see breasts then the pics of puke, crap, etc. I don't even read some peoples posts anymore because of the high likelyhood of gross pictures.
I still don't know what caused him to write the apology thread. Can anyone point me in that direction?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 13, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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So women are supposed to appreciate the aesthetics of looking at other women but guys who appreciate the same are deviant and subject to ridicule?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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May 13, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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Moosedrool was apparently run off by "puritans"? Women? Boob haters? There seems to be a little confusion about this.
I find it perplexing that women are frequently pointed to as being the ones who are objecting to these types of thread, when the majority of comments do not come from women.
I know a lot of women who lurk on this site and believe me, they are not sending messages privately, or posting opening. It's offensive that the mindset of some here is that "women are ruining the fun." That mindset is pervasive on this site, at times, and frankly, it's tiring to me. Some women also find it intimidating and/or threatening.
High schools in Sweden only have one locker room. They think we're nutters.
Having had conversations with European men and women, what I found was that if the guys in Europe acted as googly-eyed and horn-doggy over the women they share topless beaches(and apparently locker rooms) with, those men would be seen as perverts or social misfits.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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May 13, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
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I don,t think it,s a problem with breasts per say, but rather a problem with the perception that whats posted is pornographic in nature. So if it was a collection of average nudists with average bodies, well then people would probably just recoil in disgust.
Instead, what I think people are offended by is what they view as sexually explicit content. Which is different from violent content, or at least i hope it is.
Course, there,s that dude that said rock gets him hard over on Ron A,s baggin a virgin crag thread, so I could be wrong.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 13, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
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There.
Everybody happy now?
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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May 13, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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Jan, yes I do as a matter of fact. She is an old friend who isn't afraid of nudity. That being said, this was over 30 years ago and we both looked much better then today.
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