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Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 13, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
So women are supposed to appreciate the aesthetics of looking at other women but guys who appreciate the same are deviant and subject to ridicule?
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
May 13, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Moosedrool was apparently run off by "puritans"? Women? Boob haters? There seems to be a little confusion about this.

I find it perplexing that women are frequently pointed to as being the ones who are objecting to these types of thread, when the majority of comments do not come from women.

I know a lot of women who lurk on this site and believe me, they are not sending messages privately, or posting opening. It's offensive that the mindset of some here is that "women are ruining the fun." That mindset is pervasive on this site, at times, and frankly, it's tiring to me. Some women also find it intimidating and/or threatening.

High schools in Sweden only have one locker room. They think we're nutters.

Having had conversations with European men and women, what I found was that if the guys in Europe acted as googly-eyed and horn-doggy over the women they share topless beaches(and apparently locker rooms) with, those men would be seen as perverts or social misfits.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
May 13, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
I don,t think it,s a problem with breasts per say, but rather a problem with the perception that whats posted is pornographic in nature. So if it was a collection of average nudists with average bodies, well then people would probably just recoil in disgust.

Instead, what I think people are offended by is what they view as sexually explicit content. Which is different from violent content, or at least i hope it is.

Course, there,s that dude that said rock gets him hard over on Ron A,s baggin a virgin crag thread, so I could be wrong.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 13, 2013 - 01:58pm PT


"So women are supposed to appreciate the aesthetics of looking at other women but guys who appreciate the same are deviant and subject to ridicule?"...

YEP!!!...

;-)

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 13, 2013 - 01:58pm PT


There.

Everybody happy now?
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
May 13, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Jan, yes I do as a matter of fact. She is an old friend who isn't afraid of nudity. That being said, this was over 30 years ago and we both looked much better then today.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 13, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
It's not our website. We are just guests here.

Too many people just don't seem to understand or want to accept this.


The contributed photos, stories, and the community. Yes, you are wrong.

Fortunately, Cmac seems to mostly get that, and that has kept this forum much more adult in tone (for better or for worse) than the more moderated alternatives.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 13, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Locker-

So hetero men are allowed to make the rules is what I hear you saying and the rest of us should just adjust to your sensibilities? It seems to me that attitude is what's offensive, not any body part of itself.
BobLoblaw

climber
May 13, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
"Having had conversations with European men and women, what I found was that if the guys in Europe acted as googly-eyed and horn-doggy over the women they share topless beaches(and apparently locker rooms) with, those men would be seen as perverts or social misfits."

This is a chicken and the egg thing. The reason (some) Americans have such strong reactions is precisely because of how conservative our approach is to such things. If you see anything all the time you're much less likely to have an extreme reaction than if you see that thing rarely, especially if what you're seeing has been deemed lewd or inappropriate by the society you're ingrained in.

I haven't been visiting this site for very long, so I don't know the history of any harassment or anything like that, but the idea that simply posting photos of anonymous breasts is demeaning to women here just seems crazy. I wouldn't care if there were a penis thread with 10,000 posts...it's easier to not click threads you're not interested in than to click them, right?
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
May 13, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Personally, I don't think this needs to be debated any further. This is just another extension of Boobgate and it's been going for way too long.

With the admin's deletion of the original boob thread, and then the deletion of Moose's posts, and the uproar this causes every damned time, maybe you should get a damned clue and stop posting this stuff up.

Don't get me wrong, I personally loved the boob thread, I am a guy. But the fact is that many of our users aren't, and many who are guys don't find that content to be appropriate.

The administration of this site has been trying to gently get the point across that this content is not welcome or wanted here. And anyone who has been here for any length of time knows that the admins of this site do not come out and post "Hey stop doing that" - they have tried to get the point across and eventually I think they will just get tired of it and drop the ban hammer down and do a mass cleanout.

Maybe we should just get the point already and drop this whole subject and delete the tons of debate on it.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 13, 2013 - 02:07pm PT

Jan...




EDITED:

"and then the deletion of Moose's posts"...

Almost certain that moosedrool deleted his photo's...

NOT the "Admin"...


NO ACTION was taken against moosedrool...

ALL deleting was voluntary on his part...

Almost positive...

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 13, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
"The contributed photos, stories, and the community...."

....to a privately owned website.

Don't like the way it is managed, or uses your 'material'? Find another place to post it.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
May 13, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
Moosdrool Stexecuted? Silly... silly...silly...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 13, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
No, I just said I like how it's managed. You don't seem to though? You want more moderation? Heads to roll maybe?

User content absolutely makes these sort of sites, privately owned or no. Cmac gets that. Maybe you don't.

Of course, bottom line is he can do whatever he wants. I guess if that's the elementary school lesson you're trying to impart: Thanks, teach!
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
May 13, 2013 - 02:15pm PT


Credit: locker
...


Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
May 13, 2013 - 02:20pm PT

Zvuki Mu - These guys rock.
So do Monthy Python.
And so did Moosedrool - often.
Do ST rock?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 13, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
"You don't seem to though? "

I haven't expressed much of an opinion one way or the other, at least not in this thread. Since you asked, though....

I enjoy the OT parts of ST and the diverse community of opinions. It might be less interesting to me if it didn't have this kind of stuff, but given the obvious hard work & commitment that the owners/managers have in the place, I'm happy to accept it on their terms, and respect their judgement.

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
May 13, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Apogee

My perspective is: To accept the decision. And still be free to laugh at the judgement - if I want to.

Capt.
The machismo in Italy is over the top. The machismo in Scandinavia and the northern part of Europe is very low.
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
May 13, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
Happie-Obviously you've actually never been to Europe.The machismo in Europe is over the top.But I'm glad you learned all about the place by speaking with some of their locals.

Edit-Yes, Marlow you absolutely are correct.I found Italy to be crazy machismo style.Sorry,did not mean to stereotype all Europeans.I will say that after attending Sorbonne,I found France to be a close second.Don't even get me started on SA. ;-)
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
May 13, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
So what, then, is the difference between celebrating fine human form and pornography? If it strikes awe in your heart its ok, but if it arouses you its porn?

Its only physical appearance we celebrated here, not physical agility, not impressive intellect, just boobs. Boobs that got people hot and bothered. And thats where the line got crossed.

So far the violence and the outright insults have not led to arrousal, so they stand.
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