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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Maybe i'm missing something but i always liked Hugo...When he shipped heating oil to America's poor senior citizens and Enron and duke energy were cornniss holing the rest of america with fake br0wn outs , it made me wonder who's side Bush and corporate america was on...? And doesn't Norway re-invest its' oil wealth back into its' economy...? God Damn socialist Norwegians...
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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This post needs a little Robert Goulet
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Hugo Chavez, dead.
I'm wondering how I can even comment on his life.
In my "past life" being just a normal, happy American person (5 years ago) hearing and believing the media I'd be able to say specifically how wrong/right he was. How he negatively impacted our country etc.
Today, after 5 years of "life thought" I would say this.
*How do I know Who Hugo Chavez was? I never met him, talked to him, didn't know his dreams (good or bad) for his country.
*How did he get elected? Were the past politico's so bad he filled a gap?
*How did our country interact with him and how did his relationships with other countries and ours play out?
So many questions. Can we pass a judgement on his life? Yo, if he beat his wife or hurt his kids....yeah.
But politics are so screwed/skewed and interpreted to us by others .....is it possible to know what went down, is going down when he was in charge? Can we judge him on what we've heard from our media even tho we never saw or experienced what went down?
Think I'll reserve my judgement and pray the best for the future of their country and ours. lynnie
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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he was BUDDIES with nearly every dictator that is aligned against you, me, you mothers/fathers/kids/cousins/aunts-uncles and grandparents.
You just described the last 10 American presidents. Well, except for Carter. That's why we turned on him.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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+1
Lynnie!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Most of the hate comes from the fact that he told the US to get f*#ked. We do the same to plenty of others in the world. The guy did some good in that country. Look at what went on there before he got in control and you would have to admit that there was some improvement.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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LA Times:
But Chavez's social largesse was fueled by Venezuela's rising oil revenue over the last decade. Prices now have leveled off, crude production has stalled and Venezuela's debt is rising, including a $38.5-billion marker to the Chinese. Meanwhile, Venezuela's industrial and farm base — textiles, cattle, sugar and steel — continues to shrink, making the country ever more dependent on imports.
The collapse of domestic production is reflected in the increased reliance on crude sales. Puente said oil sales accounted for $96 of every $100 in Venezuelan exports last year, compared with about $80 before Chavez took office. Meanwhile Venezuela's imports last year totaled $59 billion, compared with a $10-billion to $12-billion average in the 1990s, Puente said.
To stanch the flow of imports, the government last month announced a 46.5% devaluation of the currency, the bolivar. That made imported goods more expensive. But the move will bite the poor hardest because they spend a greater part of their incomes on imported household goods. Also hurting the poor, analysts said, is inflation that could exceed 30% this year — one of the three highest rates in the world.
The scarcity of vital household food items is a volatile issue that could undercut Maduro's authority. A recent Central Bank study found that 1 in 5 basic supermarket items, including cooking oil, sugar and chicken, can now be considered "scarce." The poor suffer most as scarce items are often found on the black market at prices far above government-set limits.
"Despite having about the highest average oil price in history, the government faces huge challenges due to the mismanagement of the economy," said Francisco Monaldi, a visiting professor at Harvard University.
Mushrooming crime has made Venezuela one of the most violent nations on the planet. While Chavez, through the force of his charisma and common touch, overcame the issue to win reelection in October, Venezuelans may cut Maduro less slack. The homicide rate is now five times what it was in 1999. More police officers were killed in greater Caracas in 2011 than in the U.S. as a whole.
Like Chavez, Maduro is a fervent admirer of Cuban leaders Fidel and Raul Castro, and thus likely to continue Venezuela's economic support of the Communist regime, largesse that totals an estimated $6 billion annually and could try supporters' patience.
Hugo Chavez successor inherits goodwill, hard times
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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One thing the venezolanos don't need is a bunch of gingos who've never even been there telling them what to do.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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I was an Ahmadinejad fan long before he was president. When Chavez visited him back then, I thought, who is this guy? The man is a total genius, hopefully someday I will get to go there and meet him. (Disclosure: I've done at least 50 shows on Iranian TV and am not at all neutral.)
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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My parting gift for Chavez and maybe for the Iran dude too. Have to say the SNL Ahmadinejad skit where he was gay was as funny as it gets.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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PURE GENIUS!
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Update: this is the actual letter itself:
Chavez, 'martyr' of preserving human values: Ahmadinejad
TEHRAN, March 6 (MNA) – Iran’s President has issued a statement, and has sent condolences for the death of Hugo Chavez, Venezuelan President.
The text of the statement by President’s office is as follows:
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
Inna lillah va Inna Ilayhi Rajeun(2: 156) (Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him we will return)
Dear friend Mr. Nicolas Maduro,
The Honorable Vice-President of Venezuela,
The spirit of a great man of justice and freedom-seekers ascended to the heaven, and plunged the world into the griefVenezuela lost its bravest and courageous child, and the world lost a wise and revolutionary leader.
I express my condolences, in the extreme grief, the death of Hugo Chavez to Venezuelan government and people, and his bereaved family, and Your Excellency.
Hugo Chavez was a name known to all nations. His name is reminiscent of pure innocence, kindness, fortitude, and love for the people, to serve the people, especially the poor and the victims of colonialism and imperialism by arrogance powers.
He was deeply pious, committed to human and spiritual values and a helper of God’s messengers and global rule of justice and love by the leadership of Reformers.
Chavez stood against - with all his bravery- the excessive interests of the arrogance hegemony powers, and the broken propagandist, economic pressures, and even coup d’états; but yet his eminence was being so modest to find a time to put his gentle hands on a child’s head, and whispering the clear song of freedom and pride into their ears, to ignite the spirit of love for rest or his life.
Chavez was a symbol and heritage of all brave, warriors, and the revolutionaries in the glorious, but grief-stricken history of Latin America. He was the epitome of the spirit of magnanimity of people of this land, and all nations under suppression; he was a pioneer of anti-colonialism, justice-seeking, and friendship among the nations.
He was a spiritual ballast and support for all revolutionaries and freedom-seekers of the region and the world. Indeed, he was an evident epiphany of a passionate, idealistic, and lovable Venezuela, and Venezuela’s great nation, put him to the presidency with all their sage-like wisdom, helped him in against thick and thin, and he exploited all opportunities and power for serving his people, and heightening the name of his country and bringing freedom to other nations.
And ultimately, he gave his body and soul to this honor-bound path. He is indeed a martyr of the road to service to Venezuelan people, and preserving human and revolutionary values. Although, apparently, a lovely and kind friend left us, I am sure that his heavenly soul and his bright thoughts will rise every day in the higher horizons in the hearts of each and every Latin American and Venezuelan people more brighter than ever, and will lit the path to pride and esteem for all.
Chavez is alive, as long as justice, love and freedom are living. He is alive, as long as piety, brightness, and humanity are living. He is alive, as long as nations are alive and struggle for consolidating independence, justice and kindness. I have no doubt that he will come back, and along with Christ the Savior, the heir to all saintly and perfect men, and will bring peace, justice and perfection for all.
Once again, I express my condolences for this heavy loss, and entreat from God happiness, health, welfare, and pride for you and Venezuelan nation.
Your friend and brother Ahmadinejad,
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran
March 6 2013”
(the part about the Mahdi was not in his statement and seems to have been added by Radio Free Europe to make the story more interesting)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Thank you, Don, at least you have a sense of humour.
It would appear that Amaninadinnajacket does too.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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his acolytes are going to pickle him and put him on display.
We have decided to prepare the body of our 'Comandante President,' to embalm it so that it remains open for all time for the people. Just like Ho Chi Minh. Just like Lenin. Just like Mao Zedong,"
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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As a deeply religious man, I condemn few to hell. It isn't my job, nor my judgement to make.
I won't do that to Chavez. I'll let God judge his heartless soul. It ain't my job.
He talked liked a man of the people, yet stole their countries wealth for his own needs. He was a liar. Much like another leader I know so well.
That's all I'll say. Words are meaningless without reciprocal action.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Ron, I disagree. To do that would be to condemn so many innocent Norks to death. It is their leader who needs to go. Much like Iran, and, hehe, Venezuela.
One down....
Let's try to protect the Iranian people, the starving Norks, and the poor Venezuelans (and Cubans), with peace through capitalism, or diplomacy.
Worked with Russia and China. Mostly...
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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great Idea Ron. I would also love to see you stuff Chavez.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Blue,
Worked for Russia and China.
You're kidding right?
Russia is a major mess and China is Communist.
Compared to Iran, North Korea, and Cuba/Venezuela??
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