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aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Mar 6, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Here is an excerpt from HINDU TODAY

"Mr. Chávez started by nationalising the biggest domestic oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), and negotiating vastly improved terms with the foreign oil companies which had been making colossal sums out of the world’s greatest known hydrocarbon reserves while paying a pittance in royalties. Mr. Chávez put the revenues to good use, raising social spending by over 60 per cent to $772 billion in a decade and reducing extreme poverty from 40 per cent to 7.3, in addition to expanding healthcare services; furthermore, one in three Venezuelans now gets free education up to and including university level. As for the rest of the region, soon after assuming office, Mr. Chávez accepted the services of Cuban doctors in exchange for oil supplies to a country victimised by U.S. sanctions for over 40 years. Other countries too benefited from his acts of solidarity.

Chávismo, as this approach came to be called, infuriated the United States, which had long dominated Latin America through brutal dictatorships and oligarchical democracies. Washington all but publicly welcomed the 2002 coup against President Chávez and spent the better part of the decade which followed seeking to undermine his government in one way or the other."

Maybe this assessment is too positive, hard to say, but I give the guy credit for getting more of the oil revenue put back into the Country. I would guess that those 40% in extreme poverty reduced to 7% are the ones mourning him
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
http://truth-out.org/news/item/14974-hugo-chavez-dead-transformed-venezuela-survived-us-backed-coup-now-leaves-uncertainty-behind

Here is an interesting discussion of Chavez's legacy.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 6, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
There's a lot to this. He did a lot of good for a lot of people, failed at some other things, and seems to have left a mess. Stay tuned!
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. ~ Socrates

Who's a loser? None of you, I just think its a great quote and I'm going to save it for a real argument someday. Man, Chavez is so much larger than life, one of the greatest world leaders in my lifetime anyway. I remember years ago, when he visited Iran he spent half his time with the Mayor of Tehran, it seemed a little weird and I didn't understand it at the time. The mayor was Mahoud Ahmadinejad, who is now the President. Another tremendous leader and hugely popular, like Chavez was in Vz.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:26pm PT


good riddance1
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
eye-dum-a-jab POPULAR_??? Baaahahahahahaaaaaaa
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
DP is already pining for his return.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/06/ahmadinejad-chavez-will-return-with-jesus-and-12th-imam/


#4 I'm gonna put the Shroud of Caracas on E-Bay.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
Any man who puts dubby squarely in his place in front of representatives of all the world's major countries has my respect, and by the sound of the audience's response, he has theirs too.

Classic American exceptionalist introduction to make it more entertaining

RIP Hugo, whatever evil you might have done pales in comparison to the hell raised by bush/cheney.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 6, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Maybe i'm missing something but i always liked Hugo...When he shipped heating oil to America's poor senior citizens and Enron and duke energy were cornniss holing the rest of america with fake br0wn outs , it made me wonder who's side Bush and corporate america was on...? And doesn't Norway re-invest its' oil wealth back into its' economy...? God Damn socialist Norwegians...
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
This post needs a little Robert Goulet

Credit: S.Leeper
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Credit: S.Leeper
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Mar 6, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Hugo Chavez, dead.

I'm wondering how I can even comment on his life.

In my "past life" being just a normal, happy American person (5 years ago) hearing and believing the media I'd be able to say specifically how wrong/right he was. How he negatively impacted our country etc.

Today, after 5 years of "life thought" I would say this.

*How do I know Who Hugo Chavez was? I never met him, talked to him, didn't know his dreams (good or bad) for his country.

*How did he get elected? Were the past politico's so bad he filled a gap?

*How did our country interact with him and how did his relationships with other countries and ours play out?

So many questions. Can we pass a judgement on his life? Yo, if he beat his wife or hurt his kids....yeah.

But politics are so screwed/skewed and interpreted to us by others .....is it possible to know what went down, is going down when he was in charge? Can we judge him on what we've heard from our media even tho we never saw or experienced what went down?

Think I'll reserve my judgement and pray the best for the future of their country and ours. lynnie






Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 6, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
he was BUDDIES with nearly every dictator that is aligned against you, me, you mothers/fathers/kids/cousins/aunts-uncles and grandparents.

Giving some oil he stole from his country to help our poor does NOT excuse that. Letting Caracas become the homicide capitol of the world, where a person was killed every two minutes last year is harldy "nobel peace prize' material..

Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Mar 6, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
he was BUDDIES with nearly every dictator that is aligned against you, me, you mothers/fathers/kids/cousins/aunts-uncles and grandparents.

You just described the last 10 American presidents. Well, except for Carter. That's why we turned on him.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 6, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
yep,,,yur right there Gary..




PS,, GO RAND PAUL!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 7, 2013 - 11:06am PT
+1
Lynnie!
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Mar 7, 2013 - 11:22am PT
Most of the hate comes from the fact that he told the US to get f*#ked. We do the same to plenty of others in the world. The guy did some good in that country. Look at what went on there before he got in control and you would have to admit that there was some improvement.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 7, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Caracas went from the HIgh point and most beautiful city of the whole country, to a slum, with the worlds highest homicide rate,, 1 person every two minutes last year. All under Chavez...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 7, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
LA Times:

But Chavez's social largesse was fueled by Venezuela's rising oil revenue over the last decade. Prices now have leveled off, crude production has stalled and Venezuela's debt is rising, including a $38.5-billion marker to the Chinese. Meanwhile, Venezuela's industrial and farm base — textiles, cattle, sugar and steel — continues to shrink, making the country ever more dependent on imports.

The collapse of domestic production is reflected in the increased reliance on crude sales. Puente said oil sales accounted for $96 of every $100 in Venezuelan exports last year, compared with about $80 before Chavez took office. Meanwhile Venezuela's imports last year totaled $59 billion, compared with a $10-billion to $12-billion average in the 1990s, Puente said.

To stanch the flow of imports, the government last month announced a 46.5% devaluation of the currency, the bolivar. That made imported goods more expensive. But the move will bite the poor hardest because they spend a greater part of their incomes on imported household goods. Also hurting the poor, analysts said, is inflation that could exceed 30% this year — one of the three highest rates in the world.

The scarcity of vital household food items is a volatile issue that could undercut Maduro's authority. A recent Central Bank study found that 1 in 5 basic supermarket items, including cooking oil, sugar and chicken, can now be considered "scarce." The poor suffer most as scarce items are often found on the black market at prices far above government-set limits.

"Despite having about the highest average oil price in history, the government faces huge challenges due to the mismanagement of the economy," said Francisco Monaldi, a visiting professor at Harvard University.

Mushrooming crime has made Venezuela one of the most violent nations on the planet. While Chavez, through the force of his charisma and common touch, overcame the issue to win reelection in October, Venezuelans may cut Maduro less slack. The homicide rate is now five times what it was in 1999. More police officers were killed in greater Caracas in 2011 than in the U.S. as a whole.

Like Chavez, Maduro is a fervent admirer of Cuban leaders Fidel and Raul Castro, and thus likely to continue Venezuela's economic support of the Communist regime, largesse that totals an estimated $6 billion annually and could try supporters' patience.

Hugo Chavez successor inherits goodwill, hard times
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
One thing the venezolanos don't need is a bunch of gingos who've never even been there telling them what to do.
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